2017 Academy Award Nominations

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[pturtle]

Nice. Curious as to your thoughts on La La Land. I know folks here wouldn't be caught dead watching it since it's a musical but I thought it was fantastic except for (once again) the ending which I'm thinking I might now be coming to terms with.

I've been trying to catch everything in the movies, but where I'm at, a lot of these indie movies play in obscure theaters, so it's a bit of an obstacle to see everything. Moonlight and Hell or Highwater I caught online though.

 

[Hosam-G]

Casey or Denzel for the actor win! I guess..!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Spoilers for La La Land:

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When I watched it I got sucked into liking Gosling and Stone as a couple and wanting them to end up together. I thought she was a bit disloyal and manipulative at times but he was also self-centered and so I just took their faults as part of their respective arcs and was expecting a satisfying payoff at the end. When she took her success that he completely served to her on a silver platter (by giving her the message from the casting agent and pleading with her to audition) and then went off with some other dude (when Gosling was clearly waiting for her) I was disgusted.

But I kept chewing on the final montage where all the films' events were played back in an alternate reality where they ended up together. And I know some people think that we were supposed to look at it from her point of view but to me that was him playing back all the "woulda, shoulda, couldas" in his mind that he could have done differently.

And for him it all started with playing that one song in the club, having his world crash around him (getting fired) and then being a complete *** to her as she was complimenting him. Everything else had a butterfly effect off that one moment. And then fast forward to the end of the movie, he's playing the SAME song, and again his world crashes down around him (seeing Emma Stone with her husband) but he has grown so much that he breaks his previous cycle. Instead of glaring at her or giving her the cold shoulder he keeps his composure and smiles at her to release her from her guilt.

He's a new man, with a new start, and in a much better place. And at the end of the day he's Ryan Gosling so pretty much assuredly won't end up alone and with his dream of owning a club a reality he can meet someone (better than Stone) with his new more selfless attitude and outlook on life. And that's something I can get behind.

Spoiler

I don't know, there's a trend of having men be punching bags, and your view of the film is fine, but it doesn't excuse her character or her behavior, imo.

I just think Mia is a horrible human being and the fact that people doesn't seem to think so, blows my mind.

The very first thing she does is flip off Sabastian...even though she knows she's wrong and should move out the way, while in traffic.

Then we see her with a rich boyfriend, and she just laves the table and embarrasses him in front of everyone to go see another guy ALL that after Greg forgave her for forgetting about the dinner!!

So Mia and Sabastian date and he encourages her to write a play. Meanwhile, Sabastian had no interest in joining John Legend's band, but Mia suggested that he should, and when he heard Mia talking to her mother, he decided to sacrifice his artistic integrity for her, because he loved her so much. Up to that moment, that was his most valuable possession. Still, he did it for her.

So the band becomes successful and he actually begins to enjoy it and a new dream is emerging, but this new found happiness is in conflict with Mia, because she wanted the old Sabastian, so she uses that artistic integrity that Sabastian sacrificed for her....against him as a weapon to get him to leave the band!! He even invited her to go wit him on tour for a few days...but no, she didn't want to either, even though she had the time. She didn't want to support his success.

Anyway, her show failed and he didn't show up, and that was bad, so they break up....fine.

So Sabastian gets a call about Mia's audition and he could have easily ignored it, but no, he drives to her home town, fights with her to get Mia to go to the audition, she doesn't even invite him in to spend the night at her home...so who the hell knows where he spent the night? Then he comes back, picks her up and takes to the audition, sits with her and waits for her to come out of the audition, and he's so supportive that he tells her she's going to get the role, and finally takes her out for a nice walk.

She's like what's going to happen next and he's like, when you come back I'll be waiting.

Five years later, he still single so he hasn't really moved on and he's living the ORIGINAL dream that Mia insisted that he wanted ignoring the fact that maybe his dream had evolved into something bigger. So he's living a life by himself that she sort forced him to have.

Meanwhile, Mia is a movie star and married to a guy who is very similar to her original boyfriend, Greg. So Mia and her husband go to a show and while in TRAFFIC, Mia says, "I do not miss traffic in L.A.", so no musical dancing from the beginning of the film...basically saying, that's how people feel when they're unemployed but once they make it, they really look down on it.

She then says, let's skip my friend's show...let's go to dinner instead, but wasn't she very upset when someone didn't go to HER show? Right, she broke up with Sabastian over that. She's exactly what she said it was so horrible and here she is, basically doing the very same thing.

Then, when Mia and her Husband go to the club, she realizes that this is Sabastian's place, and knowing this does she take a seat on the back? No, she insists on sitting right in front so when he comes out on stage he'll see her. That is just savage. She could have sat on the back and THEN said hi after the show.

So Sabastian manages to keep his composure and he plays the very first song he played because he remembers it from when he saw her at that Italian restaurant. Now, you said that he imagines his life with her, but I think it was Mia imagining her life with him because it was done from her perspective. And there are 3 moments, he kisses her because he's the "ideal boyfriend " and never takes the band job, then a shot of her play with Sabastian watching, and finally Mia and Sabastian sitting in the club married with a child, so ultimately MIA has EVERYTHING she wanted, and HER ideal dreams but it completely neglects his dreams.

And in the last scene, they both look at each other, and yes...he totally lets her of the hook...and she knows it. She's like thanks for not letting me know how horrible I am. She's one of the most horrible characters I've ever seen in a film to be honest. She's living her dream, and he's a ghost of her past, living an old dream, alone and thinking about Mia because he's still in love with her, but she doesn't have to feel guilty about it.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Casey or Denzel for the actor win! I guess..!

Denzel and Viggo have no chance.

Its between Garfield and Gosling.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Casey Affleck will win...maybe Ryan Gosling. So far Affleck has won every major award, so he should be the favorite.

 

[Khev]

Spoiler

I don't know, there's a trend of having men be punching bags, and your view of the film is fine, but it doesn't excuse her character or her behavior, imo.

I just think Mia is a horrible human being and the fact that people doesn't seem to think so, blows my mind.

The very first thing she does is flip off Sabastian...even though she knows she's wrong and should move out the way, while in traffic.

Then we see her with a rich boyfriend, and she just laves the table and embarrasses him in front of everyone to go see another guy ALL that after Greg forgave her for forgetting about the dinner!!

So Mia and Sabastian date and he encourages her to write a play. Meanwhile, Sabastian had no interest in joining John Legend's band, but Mia suggested that he should, and when he heard Mia talking to her mother, he decided to sacrifice his artistic integrity for her, because he loved her so much. Up to that moment, that was his most valuable possession. Still, he did it for her.

So the band becomes successful and he actually begins to enjoy it and a new dream is emerging, but this new found happiness is in conflict with Mia, because she wanted the old Sabastian, so she uses that artistic integrity that Sabastian sacrificed for her....against him as a weapon to get him to leave the band!! He even invited her to go wit him on tour for a few days...but no, she didn't want to either, even though she had the time. She didn't want to support his success.

Anyway, her show failed and he didn't show up, and that was bad, so they break up....fine.

So Sabastian gets a call about Mia's audition and he could have easily ignored it, but no, he drives to her home town, fights with her to get Mia to go to the audition, she doesn't even invite him in to spend the night at her home...so who the hell knows where he spent the night? Then he comes back, picks her up and takes to the audition, sits with her and waits for her to come out of the audition, and he's so supportive that he tells her she's going to get the role, and finally takes her out for a nice walk.

She's like what's going to happen next and he's like, when you come back I'll be waiting.

Five years later, he still single so he hasn't really moved on and he's living the ORIGINAL dream that Mia insisted that he wanted ignoring the fact that maybe his dream had evolved into something bigger. So he's living a life by himself that she sort forced him to have.

Meanwhile, Mia is a movie star and married to a guy who is very similar to her original boyfriend, Greg. So Mia and her husband go to a show and while in TRAFFIC, Mia says, "I do not miss traffic in L.A.", so no musical dancing from the beginning of the film...basically saying, that's how people feel when they're unemployed but once they make it, they really look down on it.

She then says, let's skip my friend's show...let's go to dinner instead, but wasn't she very upset when someone didn't go to HER show? Right, she broke up with Sabastian over that. She's exactly what she said it was so horrible and here she is, basically doing the very same thing.

Then, when Mia and her Husband go to the club, she realizes that this is Sabastian's place, and knowing this does she take a seat on the back? No, she insists on sitting right in front so when he comes out on stage he'll see her. That is just savage. She could have sat on the back and THEN say hi after the show.

So Sabastian manages to keep his composure and he plays the very first song he played because he remembers it from when he saw her at that Italian restaurant. Now, you said that he imagines his life with her, but I think it was Mia imagining her life with him because it was done from her perspective. And there are 3 moments, he kisses her because he's the "ideal boyfriend " and never takes the band job, then a shot of her play with Sabastian watching, and finally Mia and Sabastian sitting in the club married with a child, so ultimately MIA has EVERYTHING she wanted, and HER ideal dreams but it completely neglects his dreams.

And in the last scene, they both look at each other, and yes...he totally lets her of the hook...and she knows it. She's like thanks for not letting me know how horrible I am. She's one of the most horrible characters I've ever seen in a film to be honest. She's living her dream, and he's a ghost of her past, living an old dream, alone and thinking about Mia because he's still in love with her, but she doesn't have to feel guilty about it.

Did you watch the video review that Grace from Beyond the Trailer gave? Her criticisms match yours almost exactly point for point. I actually like her reviews, I don't always agree but she always comes across as a non-partisan fan who doesn't pull any punches but at the same time recognizes why certain movies she doesn't like would resonate with others.

Anyway yes I agree on Mia's character, though I do always enjoy watching Emma Stone's expressiveness play out on screen so she herself made her character bearable to me. But if you don't like Stone then there's no WAY you could enjoy La La Land.

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I thought that the movie was going to show how both characters evolved and only he did. Which is ironic since the film on the surface leaves with him "stuck in the past" while she has achieved greatness. I just find it interesting that underneath she is the one stuck in the past of her old uncaring, manipulative self while he was the one who rose to the next level morally. A fascinating juxtaposition that I have to wonder occurred by accident? Because like you I don't get all the gushing over this movie as if it's main selling point is that it's some feel good love story.

Because it absolutely is NOT. And Emma Stone going off at the Golden Globes about how this movie is dedicated to everyone who ever had an acting door shut in their faces. Huh? Is she really thinking that her spoiled and disloyal "career at all costs" character is a hero for those trying to break into the business? Sebastian is the one who achieved his career goals with character and dignity (even if he doesn't realize it) intact, not Mia. So I agree that the nature of the film's reception is confusing and more than a little off putting.

 

[pturtle]

Yup, Casey Affleck will be taking this. Garfield was far better in Silence in my opinion.

However, I can see with all the stuff going on in the media with Affleck it might hurt his chances of winning, just like Nate Parker and The Birth of a Nation fell if the face of this earth after the ridiculous **** allegations.


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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Did you watch the video review that Grace from Beyond the Trailer gave? ]

No, I've read a few reviews online after watching the film because I didn't like her character when I saw the film. I wanted to see what critics were saying about the story. Some agreed that she's horrible, and others were more optimistic. I guess, I'm in the Mia is horrible camp

There was a review on RT that summarized the events of the film pretty well, so I used part of that one as reference in order to keep track of the chronological order of the story.

 

[Khev]

No, I've read a few reviews online after watching the film because I didn't like her character when I saw the film. I wanted to see what critics were saying about the story. Some agreed that she's horrible, and others were more optimistic. I guess, I'm in the Mia is horrible camp

There was a review on RT that summarized the events of the film pretty well, so I used part of that one as reference in order to keep track of the chronological order of the story.

I'd like to know what more people thought of it. It seems there might be a MASSIVE divide on what Hollywood thinks of their own movie versus audiences. When it ended a girl sitting a couple seats from me literally said "That ending just ruined the entire movie for me." People who were laughing and seemingly enjoying themselves all throughout the film seemed to leave deflated and almost betrayed. But that's how my audience was with The VVitch (minus the "laughing throughout" part ) which I loved so I'm just curious as to how widespread that reaction is.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I'd like to know what more people thought of it. It seems there might be a MASSIVE divide on what Hollywood thinks of their own movie versus audiences. When it ended a girl sitting a couple seats from me literally said "That ending just ruined the entire movie for me." People who were laughing and seemingly enjoying themselves all throughout the film seemed to leave deflated and almost betrayed. But that's how my audience was with The VVitch (minus the "laughing throughout" part ) which I loved so I'm just curious as to how widespread that reaction is.

The film's trailer is somewhat misleading. It reminded me of another Ryan Gosling film, Blue Valentine. That trailer is even more misleading than La La Land

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

La La Land is gonna clean up

 

[karamazov80]

Rogue One not nominated for best movie, actor, screenplay, and director? Sickening. I call "alternative facts" on these choices. C'mon Khev, let's get 'em!

 

[bonestockbrz]

Meryl Streep could be in a Fast Furious movie and get an Oscar nomination ....she could play Rosa Parks and it win win best picture, screenplay , song , actor , actress, supporting actor and actress . Doesn't matter who is in it, you could put Ice Cube as Martin Luther King and he would get nominated because of Meryl

 

[Khev]

Rogue One not nominated for best movie, actor, screenplay, and director? Sickening.

I think it's because the Academy is saving RO for a new category that is being introduced this year only: Special Achievement Award for Best Movie Ever

 

[Victοr]

I just noticed "The Lobster" is in the "Original Screenplay" category. It's probably not gonna win, but hey, it's a damn accomplishment for a director from here to reach all the way to the Oscars.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Can't wait for the Rey award for outstanding achievement in everything

*Spoiler*

Meryl Streep wins it.

 

[Victοr]

Can't wait for the Rey award for outstanding achievement in everything

*Spoiler*

Meryl Streep wins it.

And then she gives a ten minute speech about the patriarchy, followed by her taking a bath in her golden bathtub, while her boytoy is giving her a massage.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

And then she gives a ten minute speech about the patriarchy, followed by her taking a bath in her golden bathtub, while her boytoy is giving her a massage.

Yes, she'll talk about how Mixed Martial Arts are not the arts

Then proceed to criticize other things that people are into because she doesn't like it...like sports. She'll end her "Rey" worthy speech by praising the industry she loves because a film with a black cast was nominated for best film, hence diversity

 

[Khev]

Can't wait to hear her preach more about "disrespect invites disrespect" while disrespecting everyone who disagrees with her.