ALL THINGS TRANSFORMERS!!!!

[laudel7]

Okay I've given DOTM so more thought... When first saw that they were implementing shockwave (one of my favs) and sentinel (could have thought of a better choice but for the story arc another prime worked well) I was PUMPED! I thought finally we can have a transformers movie with some new transformers development.... So I was glad to see that shockwave had some excellent dialogue and also rode around on his robotic worm that I remember so fondly... Not! Oh and sentinel is bad... That part I actually didn't mind because if I was a transformer I would be a decepticon and take over the world. But why couldnt shockwave just be the main baddy? And why was megaton such a _____ until super hot chick gave him boner courage? (you know what I'm talkin about). Anyways there's just so many ways they could have appealed to hardcore tformers fans with just a little bit of tweaking. I so wanted to like it. So much so I am going to SEE IT AGAIN! yes I know I just giving back and feeding into bays wallet but I want so badly to like it...
I will shed a tear for ironhide once again... Why bay why?

Ever hear of spoiler tags

 

[DPrime]

Well, I'm probably not going to get in the DOTM debate until it comes out on BluRay, BUT in other news, now that the Canada Post strike is over, my order from TF Source is coming in!!!

- iGear Faith Leader
- Perfect Effect Reflector
- Henkei Hound
- United Grapple (yellow head, woo-hoo! )
- A bunch of WST Dinobots
- WST Shockwave and Blaster
- and I think I ended up adding a United Bumblebee in there too...

Also have Henkei Prowl and Red Alert headed my way via Ebay.

here's logic for you; why does your opinion hold more weight than professional critiques with real credential? I personally, loved the movie; but that doesn't mean it's good. I didn't like the King's Speech, but - it's won a ____load of awards.

I loved the King's Speech.

 

[Dubcustomz]

and the 80's cartoon was as well, AND still let the robots have more face time, AND more character development.

LOL!! Seriously? Ok, i'll explain whats wrong with this statement: The G1 cartoon was spread out over 4 seasons, lets say 10 hours or so worth of screentime (just a wild guess as i dont know how long all four seasons run for back to back), whereas a movie can only run for 2, 2 and a half hours. Do you see what im getting at here?
Plus, with so many characters its impossible to get major character development in. This is a problem with EVERY movie with loads of characters in it, just take a look at Harry Potter for example...hell, even that falls under the same logic as the G1 cartoon example i gave above, as there has been 8 HP movies, all running for longer than any TF movie did.
Simple answer: You cant expect huge character development in ONE movie with as many characters as this.
Oh, and finally...
THIS IS NOT GEEWHUN!

the Ferrari is actually named Dino

And this is problem because? Ever heard of Dino Ferrari? Its an homage.

Finished the DMK Optimus Prime earlier today and I'm very impressed with this kit!

Wow that thing is epic!

 

[bcm77]

Well, I'm probably not going to get in the DOTM debate until it comes out on BluRay, BUT in other news, now that the Canada Post strike is over, my order from TF Source is coming in!!!

- iGear Faith Leader
- Perfect Effect Reflector
- Henkei Hound
- United Grapple (yellow head, woo-hoo! )
- A bunch of WST Dinobots
- WST Shockwave and Blaster
- and I think I ended up adding a United Bumblebee in there too...

Also have Henkei Prowl and Red Alert headed my way via Ebay.

Congrats! that's an awesome haul!

The next arrivals for me should be the FP Insecticons and TFC Scavenger and I also have cash waiting on Paypal for the pre-orders of iGear's Ironhide & Ratchet.

 

[Dally]

!

Woooow...and that's why I keep my Nightwatch Prime in alt-mode.

Also thanks a bunch, I just bought one of these because of your pics.

Yeah, I never realized how dated '07 Leader Prime had become until I took that picture.

 

[Ra88]

Is sam the main character?

Yup.

Is there any solid character development for the new decepticons and autobots?

Pretty much just for Sentinel Prime, though it's very good. Other characters...No. Q/Wheeljack has one emotional moment, and he's supposedly close friends with Bumblebee, but you never see any of that. And the Wreckers pretty much just cuss at others and commit brutal acts of violence. Mirage/Dino is basically a repeat of what Sideswipe was like in ROTF: Does one or two cool things, appears in the background, and that's it. He spouts off some one liners, though.

But returning characters get a lot more screentime, save for Ratchet who had...3 lines total, I think? Sideswipe and Ironhide especially have some good moments.

Any Helicopters at sunset?

Yep.

Is it a godzilla movie more than a transformers movie?
( meaning, is it people fighting, and somehow winning against super advanced alien robots? instead of bots beating on bots, with humans getting in the way from time to time?)

Actually, it is more of a Transformers movie in that regard! You still have human striketeams taking on Decepticons, but it's divided equally between them and the Autobots. There's also no big military rescue this time. Some reinforcements arrive, but it's not much. And in the fight with the big bad they provide some backup, but it's all of the Autobots versus the villain.

Spoiler

Starscream gets killed by Sam though, and Shockwave is brutally beaten down by the humans before Optimus comes in and trashes him. I felt bad for Starscream, but it was a bit fitting. Shockwave was total BS though, I looked forward to seeing a huge battle between him and Optimus after the way OP swoops in, but he went down with pretty much one punch.

Don't get me wrong, I Liked the other two films.
I even spent $1.75 the other day to get both of them on Blu-ray. But I'm under no delusions that Either film was a great piece of cinema. Nor are they even in the same level as Iron man, or Batman Begins. it was a fun, cheazy action movie. but that's all. All the hype this was getting,Plus the addition of my personal favorite "con gave me a little more hope.

Baysplosions and paper-thin plot do not a good film make.

If you liked the other two, you will like this. Just don't get your hopes up too much, especially not for Shockwave.

 

[lerath666]

LOL!! Seriously? Ok, i'll explain whats wrong with this statement: The G1 cartoon was spread out over 4 seasons, lets say 10 hours or so worth of screentime (just a wild guess as i dont know how long all four seasons run for back to back), whereas a movie can only run for 2, 2 and a half hours. Do you see what im getting at here?
Plus, with so many characters its impossible to get major character development in. This is a problem with EVERY movie with loads of characters in it, just take a look at Harry Potter for example...hell, even that falls under the same logic as the G1 cartoon example i gave above, as there has been 8 HP movies, all running for longer than any TF movie did.
Simple answer: You cant expect huge character development in ONE movie with as many characters as this.
Oh, and finally...
THIS IS NOT GEEWHUN!

never said it was, simply saing that the original, crappy 2 hour more than meats the eye pilot had more substance to it than bay;s films. I'm not saying it's a great piece of cinema, just that it had more to it.


As for the potter films... you're not seriousl saying that there is less character development of Harry in the first of those films, than there is for Optimus prime, OR megatron in, say the first transformers film?

but even then,,, with this

Yup.



Pretty much just for Sentinel Prime, though it's very good. Other characters...No. Q/Wheeljack has one emotional moment, and he's supposedly close friends with Bumblebee, but you never see any of that. And the Wreckers pretty much just cuss at others and commit brutal acts of violence. Mirage/Dino is basically a repeat of what Sideswipe was like in ROTF: Does one or two cool things, appears in the background, and that's it. He spouts off some one liners, though.

But returning characters get a lot more screentime, save for Ratchet who had...3 lines total, I think? Sideswipe and Ironhide especially have some good moments.


Yep.


Actually, it is more of a Transformers movie in that regard! You still have human striketeams taking on Decepticons, but it's divided equally between them and the Autobots. There's also no big military rescue this time. Some reinforcements arrive, but it's not much. And in the fight with the big bad they provide some backup, but it's all of the Autobots versus the villain.

Spoiler

Starscream gets killed by Sam though, and Shockwave is brutally beaten down by the humans before Optimus comes in and trashes him. I felt bad for Starscream, but it was a bit fitting. Shockwave was total BS though, I looked forward to seeing a huge battle between him and Optimus after the way OP swoops in, but he went down with pretty much one punch.

If you liked the other two, you will like this. Just don't get your hopes up too much, especially not for Shockwave.

A much better, Balanced view of the film that actually addressed my questions and concerns, I'm more interested in seeing it.

Long and short of it, as I'm certain Hastak will continue to milk this cash cow for all it can provide, I'd like to see what happens now that bay is gone.
Don't necessarily want a reboot, or even a redesign. I'd just like to see more thought put into it.

 

[Dubcustomz]

Who do we reckon would make a good director to take over the franchise?

 

[Jaycepticon]

And this is problem because? Ever heard of Dino Ferrari? Its an homage.

Sorry, I never heard of it and wasn't aware that was general knowledge I know Bay will do what he, and he alone thinks is best, but why not just throw the fans another "nod" and give him a G1 homage? I saw so much positive attitude on forums when people thought he was named Mirage, why change it? On any note, what's done is done and there's no point spending any more time talking about names and if they ever release a Human Alliance version of Dino, I'll be picking him up

 

[lerath666]

Who do we reckon would make a good director to take over the franchise?

well, I rather felt super 8 was a good movie, So i wouldn't mind seeing Spielberg team up with Abrams.

Or for that matter, Spielberg could take the reigns himself.

As long as the future films continue to be more 'Bot-centric, I'll be happy.

 

[Dubcustomz]

Sorry, I never heard of it and wasn't aware that was general knowledge I know Bay will do what he, and he alone thinks is best, but why not just throw the fans another "nod" and give him a G1 homage? I saw so much positive attitude on forums when people thought he was named Mirage, why change it? On any note, what's done is done and there's no point spending any more time talking about names and if they ever release a Human Alliance version of Dino, I'll be picking him up

Sorry, i didnt mean to sound snippy. Just getting a bit fed up with all the negativity and complainign thats all. Sorry.

Yes i hope they make a HA version of him, that would be awesome especially since the 458 is one of the hottest cars on the planet.

well, I rather felt super 8 was a good movie, So i wouldn't mind seeing Spielberg team up with Abrams.

Or for that matter, Spielberg could take the reigns himself.

As long as the future films continue to be more 'Bot-centric, I'll be happy.

Havent seen super 8 yet, but Abrams did a decent job with Star Trek, but i think there are better directors out there who would do a much better job. Maybe Jon Favreu, those Iron Man movies were pretty good...but like Abrams his movies lacked any epic action. At least Bay knows how to do some serious action.

 

[lerath666]

Sorry, i didnt mean to sound snippy. Just getting a bit fed up with all the negativity and complainign thats all. Sorry.

Yes i hope they make a HA version of him, that would be awesome especially since the 458 is one of the hottest cars on the planet.




Havent seen super 8 yet, but Abrams did a decent job with Star Trek, but i think there are better directors out there who would do a much better job. Maybe Jon Favreu, those Iron Man movies were pretty good...but like Abrams his movies lacked any epic action. At least Bay knows how to do some serious action.

you make a good point... which makes me wonder about hollyweird.


Here is a novel approach, and thought process. What if different directors teamed up to do a film, each taking on the parts they do best. for example, image if Bay stopped being an " all out director" and started to work with other directors just on their action sequences? As in, He's JUST an action director.
I'll give him that much. He's very good at epic action.


It's an odd thought. I kinda agree aboutthe action missing in most of Abrams things, but then, it's kinda hard to make the type of fimls he makes, action heavy.

For me, Story trumps action . That's just for me, however.

Even then, Epic story, WITH epic action is best.
I wouldn't mind seeing Farveau's take on Transformers. He's not doing anything now, is he?

I CAN say, without a doubt, who i'd NOT want to see directing.
No George Lucas.
NO Christopher Nolan
No Tim Burton

 

[KneelBeforrSmallville]

I would like it if Bay was a producer on the next installments. Yes his Humor is dry at times. Yes he gets shots that arent really needed, making the film longer. Yes hes a D*** at times. But the man is easily one of the best directors in hollywood at the moment, His action is so EPIC, the way he made the ILM effects work for the transformers and movies are fantastic. I think he would be a powerful entity onboard the film, making shure it stays true but him not having complete control.

Mabey Farveau but until i see CowBoys and Aliens, im taking from what i see from IRON MAN 1 & 2 and even he can direct good action, but alot of scenes are fluff, slow parts, and i know every movie has them but what i envision for a new Transformers movie is cutting out all the bull$hi* with the human drama, the long periods with story plots, the movie doesnt even have to be a 200 million dollar tentpole. The Transformers should be the main characters, it shouldnt be to long, but of course be EPIC! The film should open on Cybertron, lets see the War, Lets see what happened, Get inside the minds of the Transformers and show us Character Development.

Abrams is getting his cake up in the film making world. Star Trek is his tour de force. But his movies are very influential meaning he takes alot of heavy known movie elemtns and plots and uses them to his advantage, idk if he could take the franchise to new heights.

They need a strong writer, perhaps a crew from the original series to serve as consultants. And whoever directs and helms the new films, they have to follow there vision.

 

[lerath666]

topic change.

Pick any two Existing Transformers stores. be they from the comics, novels, ANY Television series, and have them adapted for a Hollyweird movie.

They would need to be able to work AS a movie. what would you pick?

1) Last Stand of the Wreckers

2) Either IDW's Megatron Origin Series, or All Hail Megatron as a trilogy.

 

[HYMN]

Finished the DMK Optimus Prime earlier today and I'm very impressed with this kit!

Can't wait mine

Is it hard to make it?

 

[Dubcustomz]

you make a good point... which makes me wonder about hollyweird.


Here is a novel approach, and thought process. What if different directors teamed up to do a film, each taking on the parts they do best. for example, image if Bay stopped being an " all out director" and started to work with other directors just on their action sequences? As in, He's JUST an action director.
I'll give him that much. He's very good at epic action.


It's an odd thought. I kinda agree aboutthe action missing in most of Abrams things, but then, it's kinda hard to make the type of fimls he makes, action heavy.

For me, Story trumps action . That's just for me, however.

Even then, Epic story, WITH epic action is best.
I wouldn't mind seeing Farveau's take on Transformers. He's not doing anything now, is he?

I CAN say, without a doubt, who i'd NOT want to see directing.
No George Lucas.
NO Christopher Nolan
No Tim Burton

He could step aside and be 2nd unit director, or stunt co-ordinator. That would work well i think, but he's too big these days to step aside and let someone else take all the glory.

As for action vs story thing: It depends on the movie/subject matter. Transformers has never been about just story, its about giant transforming robots who are at war with each other, so there always has to be some bombastic action sequences or the film will just fall flat (note im purely talking about a fiolm here, not a 20-episode season of cartoons). That said there should still be room for a decent story, but again we need to remember what we are talking about here: Transforming robots based on kids toys.

No matter who directs what, we will never ever have Nolan-esque masterpieces like Inception with Transformers, or a Camaron-esque classic like Terminator 2.

Personally, forgetting about ROTF, i dont think theres anything wrong with the stories of the tf movies, especially this latest one.
Both TF1 and 3 all had decent stories, and the plots drove the action well and kept things interesting and exciting.

For a movie that has to make billions you cant get hung up with too many boring dialogue sequences, or Tarantino-like character development, otherwise the general target audience will not be entertained and the movies wont make any money and we'd end up with nothing, and the franchise would be relegated back to that silly 80's kids cartoon instead of the phenomenon it is today.

I agree about your choice of directors who should stay away, especially Lucas. As much as i love Nolan his style wouldnt work with the source material, and Tim Burton is a has-been. You also forgot Uwe Boll, and Paul W.S. Anderson.

I would like it if Bay was a producer on the next installments. Yes his Humor is dry at times. Yes he gets shots that arent really needed, making the film longer. Yes hes a D*** at times. But the man is easily one of the best directors in hollywood at the moment, His action is so EPIC, the way he made the ILM effects work for the transformers and movies are fantastic. I think he would be a powerful entity onboard the film, making shure it stays true but him not having complete control.

Mabey Farveau but until i see CowBoys and Aliens, im taking from what i see from IRON MAN 1 & 2 and even he can direct good action, but alot of scenes are fluff, slow parts, and i know every movie has them but what i envision for a new Transformers movie is cutting out all the bull$hi* with the human drama, the long periods with story plots, the movie doesnt even have to be a 200 million dollar tentpole. The Transformers should be the main characters, it shouldnt be to long, but of course be EPIC! The film should open on Cybertron, lets see the War, Lets see what happened, Get inside the minds of the Transformers and show us Character Development.

Abrams is getting his cake up in the film making world. Star Trek is his tour de force. But his movies are very influential meaning he takes alot of heavy known movie elemtns and plots and uses them to his advantage, idk if he could take the franchise to new heights.

They need a strong writer, perhaps a crew from the original series to serve as consultants. And whoever directs and helms the new films, they have to follow there vision.

You might want to take that back about having him on as producer. He has already produced a few movies...those were I am Number 4, and some horror movie, niether were good or succesful so...yeah that wouldnt be a good idea i think, unless a decent, famous director was attached to it.

Bay is a master of kinetic, high-octane action sequences, and he does know how to use CGI well without over-using it. Although the tf movies have tons of CG, theres also just as many practical/real effects shots in there too, like minatures or full size effects shots and stunts. Unlike say...a Star Wars prequel, where even most of the characters were CGI and every single "set" was just a CGI blue screen. Yuk.

I only mentioned Favreu because he's the only contemporary (and decent) director to have made something thats similar to Transformers.
The Iron Man movies needed to explain a lot, wheres now we have 3 TF movies if he made one thered be no need to explain who is who, we know the autobots are the good guys, the decepticons the bad guys, we all know who Optimus Prime is etc and they come from Cyberton.

He could use that to his advantage and set up some great sequences and have a decent plot to go with it, but it still wont be anything better or deeper than what we already have i reckon.

I also dont think a full movie with just cgi robots on the screen the whole time would work either. The general public wont want to see it, only the fans will and that wont bring in enough cash. The movie will simply bomb. You need human characters, an anchor for the audience to relate to, even all the cartoons have human characters. A full blown cgi mini movie released on cartoon network or straight to dvd might work, but as a big name studio release it simply wouldnt work.

topic change.

Pick any two Existing Transformers stores. be they from the comics, novels, ANY Television series, and have them adapted for a Hollyweird movie.

They would need to be able to work AS a movie. what would you pick?

1) Last Stand of the Wreckers

2) Either IDW's Megatron Origin Series, or All Hail Megatron as a trilogy.

Ive only read All Hail Megatron and i think if i had to choose between it or any the G1 episodes id choose AHM.

It would work perfectly as a feature length movie, it has just the right amount of human drama in it, theres characters in there who could work as anchors, and then theres the epic threat to earth from the Decepticons and the dire situation the autobots find themselves in, only to come back and save the day at the end to give the audience a happy ending cos...ya know...every mmovie has to have a happy ending these days.

 

[lerath666]

every[/I] mmovie has to have a happy ending these days.

I find that the best wat to deal with uwe Boll is to just forget about him

I heard he was forbidden from making films in Germany, due to basically doing in real life what the plot of "the Producers " was about, No idea if that's true.

I did find out how he gets the actors he gets to be in his film.
They like him becuase he just lets them do their own thing with the characters, instead of, you know, directing them.

You know what film could really, REALLY have benefited from a tragic ending where the "bad guys" win?

Matrix Revolutions. Smith should have won, killed neo, took over the code of the matrix, took over the sentinels, and Killed Every one in Zion, deleted every other AI... and been the only one left... then gone insane with no-one left to talk to. a twilight zone ending.

We need more endings like that to shake up the hollyweird status-que once in a while. Would do everyone's creative juices good i think.

But I digress.
Do you REALLY think AHM could be condensed down to a single film? I'd say two minimum.

 

[Dally]

Can't wait mine

Is it hard to make it?

Nah, just take your time with it and you'll be fine.

 

[Deak Starkiller]

I saw DOTM. Not as bad as ROTF but not as good as the first one, lots to love and lots to...scratch your head at. LOL @ Megatron. I'd give it a C+ to a B-, with the first film getting a solid B, and ROTF a D.

 

[Natrix]

By the way, if you want to respond or continue movie discussions, why don't we move it to the movie thread so this thread can be more focused on other Transformers-related stuff. I re-posted my last post there:

https://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3568885&posted=1#post3568885

Come on already guys there is a movie thread, let leave this to the collectibles/figures as requested.