Any Vegetarians on This Board?

[SnakeDoctor]

Have you ever worked in one? Skill is just being able to do something well. Multi-tasking is a skill and you better know how to do that in a fast food restaurant.

I don't look down at these kinds of jobs because I know people who need these jobs to live. Too many hard hit places in the country.

Skilled labor is labor that requires special training, or experience, or education, or certification, or licensing, or something. Something any high school student is qualified to do is, by definition, unskilled. Fast food may take the ability to speak English, or take a drink order, or show up on time, or push buttons on the register, or cook fries and burgers at the same time ... but those aren't 'skills' in that sense of the term.

I worked in fast food in high school (long time ago). It is certainly labor ... but it isn't skilled labor. Its work. Its occasionally hard work. It takes time, and attention, and attendance. But, it takes no skills other than those of a normally functioning human being.

That's why its low paid. Not because its not work (that's what makes it a job). But because literally anybody can do it. That makes employees very replaceable, and thus of lower economic value. If a highschooler can do your job, you're not going to make much money (otherwise, they'd just hire the highschooler for cheaper).

SnakeDoc

 

[hoodonit00]

Skilled labor is labor that requires special training, or experience, or education, or certification, or licensing, or something. Something any high school student is qualified to do is, by definition, unskilled. Fast food may take the ability to speak English, or take a drink order, or show up on time, or push buttons on the register, or cook fries and burgers at the same time ... but those aren't 'skills' in that sense of the term.

I worked in fast food in high school (long time ago). It is certainly labor ... but it isn't skilled labor. Its work. Its occasionally hard work. It takes time, and attention, and attendance. But, it takes no skills other than those of a normally functioning human being.

That's why its low paid. Not because its not work (that's what makes it a job). But because literally anybody can do it. That makes employees very replaceable, and thus of lower economic value. If a highschooler can do your job, you're not going to make much money (otherwise, they'd just hire the highschooler for cheaper).

SnakeDoc

Better be careful. People will get offended when you tell them the truth.

 

[Blackthornone]

I take menial to mean no skill or easy. Those jobs are far from easy. I've had many a job so far in my life and I've never had a job I didn't need trained for or that required some kind of skill to be good at it.

Definition of menial (adj)
Bing Dictionary

me·ni·al
[ méenee əl ]

unskilled: relating to or involving work that requires little skill or training, is not interesting, and confers low social status on somebody doing it

 

[hoodonit00]

Have you ever worked in one? Skill is just being able to do something well. Multi-tasking is a skill and you better know how to do that in a fast food restaurant.

I don't look down at these kinds of jobs because I know people who need these jobs to live. Too many hard hit places in the country.

No I've never worked in the fast food industry. My first job I was a runner at an auction and a furniture mover. Both, unskilled labor. After that I was a ditch digger. Again, unskilled labor. So I know a thing or 2 about working unskilled labor jobs. I am in no way demeaning people who work these jobs. I'm just glad they're working. But when people in those jobs talk about striking unless they are paid 15 bucks and hour? Puhleeze.

 

[hoodonit00]

Definition of menial (adj)
Bing Dictionary

me·ni·al
[ méenee əl ]

unskilled: relating to or involving work that requires little skill or training, is not interesting, and confers low social status on somebody doing it

Besides the low social status I agree with the definition as is and knew what it meant when I posted it. My wife worked at McDonalds when she was younger while she was getting her degree. She would tell you it's a menial job as well.

 

[crows]

Better be careful. People will get offended when you tell them the truth.

lol yeah

No I've never worked in the fast food industry. My first job I was a runner at an auction and a furniture mover. Both, unskilled labor. After that I was a ditch digger. Again, unskilled labor. So I know a thing or 2 about working unskilled labor jobs. I am in no way demeaning people who work these jobs. I'm just glad they're working. But when people in those jobs talk about striking unless they are paid 15 bucks and hour? Puhleeze.

I don't know if 15 is asking too much or not but I think minimum wage should go up at least a couple of dollars. going up to 9 or something wouldn't be that bad would it?

 

[Blackthornone]

Besides the low social status I agree with the definition as is and knew what it meant when I posted it. My wife worked at McDonalds when she was younger while she was getting her degree. She would tell you it's a menial job as well.

Most of the jobs for most people in all the years of civilization if not the entire history of mankind have been menial jobs.
The fact is that MOST people have always done menial jobs in order to survive, and it isn't just teenagers. It's MOST adults.
Of course, these most adults have to receive enough money to live on, lest they die and lest these menial jobs don't get done in society, causing civilization to fall apart.
It's impossible for everyone to have a non menial job, even all adults.
It has ALWAYS been impossible.
I realize that a lot of blue and white collar folk believe that if people want more money they should just get more educated and work harder, but it's a fallacy.
Only a few people can have blue or white collar jobs. It has always been that way...

 

[devilof76]

You don't have to survive on a single income. I made low wages in my late teens and with three of us in the apartment, we did fine.

 

[KitFisto]

Most of the jobs for most people in all the years of civilization if not the entire history of mankind have been menial jobs.
The fact is that MOST people have always done menial jobs in order to survive, and it isn't just teenagers. It's MOST adults.
Of course, these most adults have to receive enough money to live on, lest they die and lest these menial jobs don't get done in society, causing civilization to fall apart.
It's impossible for everyone to have a non menial job, even all adults.
It has ALWAYS been impossible.
I realize that a lot of blue and white collar folk believe that if people want more money they should just get more educated and work harder, but it's a fallacy.
Only a few people can have blue or white collar jobs. It has always been that way...

So you support socialism? Everyone should make the same or close to it? In that case, why even bother to try? Why bother with further education to obtain a "better" job? Why work hard to achieve if the reward is the same for sitting on my butt or taking a low skilled job? That's why socialism fails in the end. The hard working get tired of carrying the loafers. Eventually, when enough people are loafers then it crashes and burns.

 

[The Ween]

So you support socialism? Everyone should make the same or close to it? In that case, why even bother to try? Why bother with further education to obtain a "better" job? Why work hard to achieve if the reward is the same for sitting on my butt or taking a low skilled job? That's why socialism fails in the end. The hard working get tired of carrying the loafers. Eventually, when enough people are loafers then it crashes and burns.

With most of the jobs being created in this country being service jobs (job of the loafers), that time isn't far away then.

 

[KitFisto]

With most of the jobs being created in this country being service jobs (job of the loafers), that time isn't far away then.

You're correct tbat that's a big problem. Due to increasing and overzealous regulations pushed by leftists, many corporations ( who also have their own issues ) have sent most of the middle class manufacturing jobs outside of the country. What we have left is low skilled min wage jobs and high class jobs. Very little left in between. The answer isn't to make flipping burgers a career by overpaying low and no skill workers. What we need to do is give companies the incentive to stop sending jobs overseas so Chinese workers have jobs.

 

[The Ween]

You're correct tbat that's a big problem. Due to increasing and overzealous regulations pushed by leftists, many corporations ( who also have their own issues ) have sent most of the middle class manufacturing jobs outside of the country. What we have left is low skilled min wage jobs and high class jobs. Very little left in between. The answer isn't to make flipping burgers a career by overpaying low and no skill workers. What we need to do is give companies the incentive to stop sending jobs overseas so Chinese workers have jobs.

It's all Greed, my friend. They got the opportunity to ship those jobs overseas and make more money for themselves. That's why it was done. Of course it's going to get where the average Joe isn't going to be able to afford the stuff they ship back, so maybe if they shoot themselves in the foot enough, they'll realize that.

 

[KitFisto]

It's all Greed, my friend. They got the opportunity to ship those jobs overseas and make more money for themselves. That's why it was done. Of course it's going to get where the average Joe isn't going to be able to afford the stuff they ship back, so maybe if they shoot themselves in the foot enough, they'll realize that.

Corporate greed is a part of the issue, but it's not the biggest reason manufacturing jobs left this country. You have to put union worker greed on the list as well along with government sticking it's rather enormous finger in the pie as well as government over regulations. There is fault to be had on many sides.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

 

[Solidus]

I have been a vegetarian for two years now.

You've been a vegetarian all your life, Indian spammer, sir.