Artificial Intelligence and Bot Programs

[devilof76]

A billion times zero is zero.

What is the genus of consciousness?

 

[devilof76]

No guesses? You understand that a definition consists of a genus and differentia, right? What is the broader concept to which consciousness belongs, and what are the other types of things belonging to that group, from which consciousness must be distinguished when it is defined?

Unfortunately the plant tests show that it kills them. The plant test is the only objective test for the effect of music on organic life forms. The plants have no bias, they aren't conditioned to have beliefs, and they can't be bribed to skew the results. Put a speaker next to a plant, and play certain music constantly and watch what happens. I would like to see a rating scale for all songs based upon plant tests. Then people can know if music is really harmful or not.
That's the only way to find out the truth.

If plants have consciousness, it is insufficient to experience music. Music is a complex sensory-conceptual phenomenon, and plants have neither sense organs nor conceptual awareness. What is affecting them is vibrating air. If they have an adverse reaction to one type of vibration and a beneficial reaction to another type, that is not evidence of consciousness; it is evidence of sensitivity to oscillating frequencies of air, which requires no consciousness. All it takes is a physical form which can be affected by sound waves.

It is absolutely not an indication of whether or not the respective types of music are good or bad for human beings. The human mind is infinitely more complex than whatever a plant has that allows it to be susceptible to a series of combinations of tone, timbre, volume, etc. It cannot integrate separate tones into melody and harmony. It cannot experience music.

The fact that both a human and a plant are alive does not mean that they require the same conditions to survive.

 

[Lejuan]

The study was more expansive than the Reverend has described. Biologists discovered that the test plants responded differently to different music at different times in their lives. Saplings responded positively to lullabies, whereas adolescent and slightly older plants responded positively to heavy metal. It wasn't until the plants reached full maturity that they showed any positive response to Baroque music and, conversely, an adverse response to Skid Row.

 

[devilof76]

 

[devilof76]

Kim Kardashian gets the last word. Good show Rev.

 

[Blackthornone]

A billion times zero is zero.

What is the genus of consciousness?

Consciousness has no genus.

Bing Dictionary

ge·nus
[ jéenəss ]

set of closely related species: a category in the taxonomic classification of related organisms, comprising one or more species.
broader term for something: the more general class or kind in which something is included, e.g. the species "dog" is included in the genus "animal"
group: a class or group of any kind

 

[Blackthornone]

No guesses? You understand that a definition consists of a genus and differentia, right? What is the broader concept to which consciousness belongs, and what are the other types of things belonging to that group, from which consciousness must be distinguished when it is defined?



If plants have consciousness, it is insufficient to experience music. Music is a complex sensory-conceptual phenomenon, and plants have neither sense organs nor conceptual awareness. What is affecting them is vibrating air. If they have an adverse reaction to one type of vibration and a beneficial reaction to another type, that is not evidence of consciousness; it is evidence of sensitivity to oscillating frequencies of air, which requires no consciousness. All it takes is a physical form which can be affected by sound waves.

It is absolutely not an indication of whether or not the respective types of music are good or bad for human beings. The human mind is infinitely more complex than whatever a plant has that allows it to be susceptible to a series of combinations of tone, timbre, volume, etc. It cannot integrate separate tones into melody and harmony. It cannot experience music.

The fact that both a human and a plant are alive does not mean that they require the same conditions to survive.

You suggest that something must UNDERSTAND things, it's thoughts, itself, ect in order to be conscious. Understanding is not required. Only the awareness or knowledge of ONE THING is required for there to be consciousness. Consciousness of that one thin, that is. That is not to be confused with the broader definition of consciousness, which is all relative.

As far as plants having consciousness, what about plants sensing and responding to someone intending to light a match under one of their leaves?

Because plants can sense the music, they are conscious of the music. To be sense or be aware of something is to be conscious of it. That's all you need.

 

[devilof76]

All you're providing for examples that allegedly demonstrate the consciousness of unconscious things is that they react to changes in iincident energy. That does not require consciousness.

I am not saying that understanding is the qualifying attribute of consciousness. Dogs and cats are highly conscious and to say that they understand their experiences is rote anthropomorphism. The sole qualifying characteristic of consciousness is the presence of consciousness. It is irreducible. It cannot be defined by acknowledging a set of attributes which fall under a definition. It is not definable. It has no genus, and it has no differentia (the two elements of any definition). What can be said of consciousness is that it arises in the context of living beings possessing a means of locomotion, which requires a means of guiding their actions to maintain their existence. A light sensor is not conscious. A microphone is not conscious. A gyroscope is not conscious.

All of these terms you are applying to the behavior of unconscious entities (aware, sense, know, etc.) are loose approximations. For any of them to have meaning in the context you are using them, the capacity for consciousness has to already exist. Giving a machine the ability to react to its environment is not changing anything about the fundamental material nature of the elements composing the machine. It was unconscious parts before it was assembled, and it is unconscious parts afterwards.

You do not understand what it means to be conscious if you think what you experience when you hear a song is simply a more complex version of what a plant experiences when music is played near it. As conscious beings, we are not simply the physical apparatus of sense organs, nerves, and a brain. We need all of that to be conscious, but the entity experiencing the stimuli is not coextensive with the machinery.

 

[Pork Chop Express]

Very interesting articles.

Double Amputee is First Man to Control Two Robotic Arms With His Mind

Smarter Artificial Skin for Prosthetic Hands | MIT Technology Review

 

[Snake Plissken]

I saw that yesterday. Just imagine where artificial limb tech will be in 50-100 years.

 

[fosing]

back reading this thread....was full of LOLz.
summoning blackthornone before christmas??

 

[Solidus]

Just noticed this thread was bumped

 

[Pork Chop Express]

Experts pledge to control AI work

This will ultimately solve the port dispute.

 

[Brainiac]

awesome thread

 

[Pork Chop Express]

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/22/bridgewater-associates-ai-artificial-intelligence-management

At least they wont get paid even if they fail.