Avatar: The Way of Water

[choombaz]

I’m surprised by the movies from the 90s that I did like. Not sure how they hold up for me today, and no real desire to watch any of them again. But…

Goodfellas
The Big Lebowksi
Saving Private Ryan
Silence of the Lambs
Unforgiven
Good Will Hunting
Braveheart
Get Shorty
Titanic
Jurassic Park
Dances With Wolves
The Sixth Sense
The Thin Red Line
The Green Mile
Apollos 13
There’s Something About Mary
Office Space

and there’s a bunch that to this day I‘ve never actually gotten around to seeing such as Schindler’s List and The Usual Suspects.

Surprisingly after the first Matrix film I lost interest very quickly in that franchise. The first one was pretty cool though, I thought.

Anyway…

I rewatch a bunch of those constantly …

The 90s had a ton of great films and on top of what’s been mentioned I’ve seen all of these multiple times …

JFK
Jacob’s Ladder
Miller’s Crossing
Reservoir Dogs
Last of the Mohicans
Carlitos Way
Groundhog Day
The Fugitive
True Romance
Ed Wood
Leon
Se7en
Heat
12 Monkeys
Casino
Trainspotting
Scream 1 and 2
From Dusk Till Dawn
The Rock
Boogie Nights
LA Confidential
Lost Highway
Jackie Brown
Grosse Point Blank
Starship Troopers
Face/Off
Out Of Sight
Rushmore
Pleasantville
The Wedding Singer
Lock Stock
Ronin
Rounders
The Iron Giant
Fight Club

 

[Khev]

AWOW and TGM nominated for Best Picture, very nice even if neither has a chance of winning.

 

[Otomofan]

This will soon be the sixth $2 billion+ grossing film. Zoe Saldana is in four of them.

Is she though? Is she really?

Does James Earl Jones get credit for Star Wars even though he's just a voice? Does Tom Hanks say he's "in" Toy Story, or does he say "I did a voice for a cartoon."

Cause she did a voice for a cartoon. Even if you wanna argue that she "motion captured" her performance...does that really count? She's not in a single frame of Avatar 1 or 2. Just a cartoon cat person.

 

[Prime Clone]

a silly title

True, TWOW is on a similar level to TPM and ANH.

 

[Khev]

True, TWOW is on a similar level to TPM and ANH.

Even with AWOW having no chance of winning Best Picture just being nominated gives Cameron his super respectable "Fury Road," the difference being that AWOW didn't bomb at the box office, lol.

 

[Wor-Gar]

... gives Cameron his super respectable "Fury Road," the difference being that AWOW didn't bomb at the box office, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

Even with AWOW having no chance of winning Best Picture just being nominated gives Cameron his super respectable "Fury Road," the difference being that AWOW didn't bomb at the box office, lol.

Only 3 movies in the past 25 years have come in first place 6 weeks in a row and all 3 are directed by Cameron.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Cameron again! Drats!!!

 

[Khev]

Only 3 movies in the past 25 years have come in first place 6 weeks in a row and all 3 are directed by Cameron.

And yet he probably spends every waking moment angry that EG messed up his chance to have each of the top three films of all time.

If AWOW passes Titanic Saldana will be all "well Jim at least one of us has all three," lol.

 

[Wor-Gar]

...and Zoe never worked again in Hollywood.

 

[Khev]

James Cameron on a video chat with Zoe: "I had to kill the Russo Brothers because they made a mistake. Now it's time to erase that mistake..."

*her house explodes*

 

[Wor-Gar]

...but her soul becomes forever trapped in Cameron's secret "real" avatar hidden in his basement.

 

[Prime Clone]

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/avatar-2-fifth-highest-grossing-movie-infinity-war-1235503362

 

[Wor-Gar]

Sad. IW is so much more rewatchable than this. I mean, it is the pinnacle of the MCU's first amazing run. We'll never have it again. So IW will just become a raging classic and a center-point of nostalgia for several generations.

TWOW... well, I expect it to be mostly forgotten by 2025... except for Khev's annual Christmas screenings at his home.

That all said, I am happy for Cameron though. He must be pleased with himself, vindicated once again. The man is just unstoppable.

 

[ironwez20]

He can’t keep getting away with this!

 

[abake]

Sad. IW is so much more rewatchable than this. I mean, it is the pinnacle of the MCU's first amazing run. We'll never have it again. So IW will just become a raging classic and a center-point of nostalgia for several generations.

TWOW... well, I expect it to be mostly forgotten by 2025... except for Khev's annual Christmas screenings at his home.

That all said, I am happy for Cameron though. He must be pleased with himself, vindicated once again. The man is just unstoppable.

The question is: is Infinity War as a stand-alone movie better than Avatar The Way of Water?
I don't think very highly of either, so I'm genuinely curious about the differing opinions.

Frankly, I don't see either of them passing the test of time. IW lives on as a part of the entire MCU saga, and as such, it will stay relevant as long as this incarnation of the MCU stays relevant, IMHO.
As for ATWOW... I think it'll suffer the same fate as the first one. It'll be all the rage for a few months or maybe a year and then just vanish. We'll just have to wait and see how the next one does.

 

[Misterbadguy]

I've seen IW once, hardly remember anything from it, and have no interest in seeing Endgame. That said, both of those films are the culmination of something that'll probably never happen in entertainment again and made an enormous cultural impact as a result, to the point where it doesn't even matter if the MCU becomes a dog's dinner now. You can't argue those films being where they are in the highest -grossing list.

On the flip side, Avatar 2 is a higher achiever imo since it had less to build on - no other media keeping the franchise going in the past decade. At the same time, there's no denying it has nowhere near the sway over culture that IW/EG had and still have, and to compare the two franchises in that respect is honestly laughable.

 

[Prime Clone]

I've seen IW once, hardly remember anything from it, and have no interest in seeing Endgame.

Wow, and I thought I was the only one! The MCU peaked for me with CW.

 

[Khev]

And he's done it.

Three of the Top 4 all-time grossing films. And I guess AWOW is turning a profit even if it did need to hit 2B to break even.

1	Avatar	$2,923,706,026					2009
2	Avengers: Endgame	$2,799,439,100					2019
3	Titanic	$2,194,690,964					1997
4	Avatar: The Way of Water	$2,074,750,771					2022
5	Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens	$2,071,310,218					2015
6	Avengers: Infinity War	$2,052,415,039					2018

 

[Wor-Gar]

Incredible! Got to hand it to Cameron! He always pulls it off.