The Clown Prince of Crime
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Ha! My dad did the same once..... But I do drink every now and then, because it's fun, and because **** midterms.
Aaaaanyway, so, Avengers huh?
Yeah...how about that Ultron guy?! 
Avengers: Age of Ultron (May 1st, 2015)
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Like I said, they might as well ban alcohol too...it's just as bad, if not worse, yet people don't mind how alcohol is glorified on tv, movies, and advertisingIt's hypocritical, imo.
It's not about the cigarettes, it's the idea of censorship or banning something that bothers me, just because there are some weak minded people out there that will do anything that they see in a movie, apparentlyGet rid of everything that can be a bad influence then, like violence and fighting...teens might do that too if they see it in a movie.
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The hypocrisy, don't smoke kids, but go ahead and punch someone in the face....
Like I said, they might as well ban alcohol too...it's just as bad, if not worse, yet people don't mind how alcohol is glorified on tv, movies, and advertising
It's not about the cigarettes, it's the idea of censorship or banning something that bothers me, just because there are some weak minded people out there that will do anything that they see in a movie, apparently
My wife is a nurse and she says a majority of the nurses she works with smoke. I never understood how those in the medical field could smoke after treating those who smoke and see the damage it causes. 
Brainiac
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My wife is a nurse and she says a majority of the nurses she works with smoke. I never understood how those in the medical field could smoke after treating those who smoke and see the damage it causes.
Stress and addiction are far more powerful than reason and logic
True. I think its more addiction. My wife is stressed at work and knows better than to smoke.
The medical field can be really stressful. My wife for example had to work 36-hour shifts in her internship and residency years. She picked up smoking for a while to help stay awake. Luckily she didn't get addicted and was able to drop it real quick. It's the same with customer support centers here. My time zone is 12h ahead of EST. There are a lot of customer support agents who smoke.
You aren't focusing on the fact that these films are targeted, to a large measure, to children and young adolescents. Those who can't be blamed for falling into bad habits at an early age because they aren't developmentally able to make "wise" decisions, and mommy and daddy aren't always going to be lurking around the corner when opportunities arise. The chemically enhanced tobacco sold in cigarettes is incredibly addictive. If a child just does it a few times that addiction can start taking root, and if they see it glorified by role models or in the "cool" movies and TV shows they are exposed to, then they're going to be more likely to start doing it. It's not appropriate to refer to children in these situations as "weak minded." If these were films truly targeted only to adults, then of course it would be a different concern. But not long ago Joe Camel was mascot for a cigarette company. They know what it means for their bottom line to start getting customers early. Children are impressionable.Like I said, they might as well ban alcohol too...it's just as bad, if not worse, yet people don't mind how alcohol is glorified on tv, movies, and advertising
It's not about the cigarettes, it's the idea of censorship or banning something that bothers me, just because there are some weak minded people out there that will do anything that they see in a movie, apparently
I don't think these films should glorify alcohol use, either, though the use of alcohol in the comics by Iron Man was used to showcase its negative impact, which we got to some extent in Iron Man 2.
The reason we saw so much more of this in media we were exposed to as kids was because the negative effects of tobacco use (and alcohol use when you're talking about neurological and physiological damage) wasn't as well understood, we didn't know all the horrible things being done behind closed doors to target kids and enhance the addictive qualities of tobacco, and advocates who pushed for more restrictions were silenced by the powerful industry lobbies. But this has changed for the better.
Like Steve says, it doesn't really add anything to the story, particularly in a film aimed toward children, and the potential impacts are very negative, so there's no reason to go there, and Marvel/Disney should be applauded for their move. If your argument is that the period films/shows aren't "realistic" enough, for life in the 1940s-'70s or whatever, remember that these are superhero movies. For kids. Not Mad Men.
As for violence, that's not something that will cause significant and potentially permanent changes in the neurological pathways of children on the order of an addictive chemical specifically designed in a lab to do that. If a kid acts out a few times, a parent could reign it in and nip it in the bud. So, it's not really a good analogy.
The Clown Prince of Crime
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You aren't focusing on the fact that these films are targeted, to a large measure, to children and young adolescents. Those who can't be blamed for falling into bad habits at an early age because they aren't developmentally able to make "wise" decisions, and mommy and daddy aren't always going to be lurking around the corner when opportunities arise. The chemically enhanced tobacco sold in cigarettes is incredibly addictive. If a child just does it a few times that addiction can start taking root, and if they see it glorified by role models or in the "cool" movies and TV shows they are exposed to, then they're going to be more likely to start doing it. It's not appropriate to refer to children in these situations as "weak minded." If these were films truly targeted only to adults, then of course it would be a different concern. But not long ago Joe Camel was mascot for a cigarette company. They know what it means for their bottom line to start getting customers early. Children are impressionable.
I don't think these films should glorify alcohol use, either, though the use of alcohol in the comics by Iron Man was used to showcase its negative impact, which we got to some extent in Iron Man 2.
The reason we saw so much more of this in media we were exposed to as kids was because the negative effects of tobacco use (and alcohol use when you're talking about neurological and physiological damage) wasn't as well understood, we didn't know all the horrible things being done behind closed doors to target kids and enhance the addictive qualities of tobacco, and advocates who pushed for more restrictions were silenced by the powerful industry lobbies. But this has changed for the better.
Like Steve says, it doesn't really add anything to the story, particularly in a film aimed toward children, and the potential impacts are very negative, so there's no reason to go there, and Marvel/Disney should be applauded for their move. If your argument is that the period films/shows aren't "realistic" enough, for life in the 1940s-'70s or whatever, remember that these are superhero movies. For kids. Not Mad Men.
As for violence, that's not something that will cause significant and potentially permanent changes in the neurological pathways of children on the order of an addictive chemical specifically designed in a lab to do that. If a kid acts out a few times, a parent could reign it in and nip it in the bud. So, it's not really a good analogy.
What do mean? I was a kid once, who grew up in the 80's and 90's watching films, tv, and cartoons and I don't smoke. Who said anything about glorifying smoking? I'm just saying that they shouldn't completely hide the truth, which is that some people smoke when they are under stress. It might not add anything to the story, but it's not a realistic depiction of people. Where does it end? Are they going to have couples sleeping in different beds like in the old films and tv shows? Because god forbid, easily impressionable kids see unmarried adults sleeping in the same bed.
Mommy and Daddy won't always be around in life, which is why pampering kids and hiding things from them doesn't do them any favors either. It's not a movie's job to raise children and to teach them right from wrong, imo. That's what parents, schools, sesame street are for....not to mention those anti cigarette commercial. If after watching those commercial they still want to smoke, then nothing is going to stop them, especially hiding it from a film. Here's an idea, show one of those graphic commercials during the previews in the theater.
I don't like censorship, specially when it's hypocritical censorship. Fastfood is just as bad and more addictive, yet they put Iron Man in those happy meals and Disney and every other company out there glorifies that garbage by selling it to kids and families, yet it's not a big deal, because it tastes good, even though we know the long term effects of consuming that "food." What was the first thing Tony Stark did in the first IM film after he returns home? He asked for an american cheeseburger, and there he was eating several burgers from Burger King and Jeff Bridges asking him if he had one for him
And you know what, I'm fine with it because people eat that stuff. Did that add anything to the story? No, not really, but it's believable. I'm not saying Joe the camel should have a cameo in those films, but smoking can be a character trait. Look at Kingpin, from Daredevil and Spiderman, but you won't see that in the tv show. I just hope Disney doesn't start banning things from the comics too.This whole thing reminds me of Demolition Man and how in that future everything that was "bad" was banned....except Fastfood, ironically.
Well whether you like it or not, censorship is going to happen in movies aimed toward children in some fashion. In comics, too. It's just a matter of what is censored and how much. We aren't going to be seeing graphic rape or torture in the Avengers, even if the writers/director think it's a good idea. If you don't like that, then there are options like Watchmen, Punisher, and probably Powers (though I haven't seen it yet) where the creators do have pretty free reign to show graphic violence, sex, drug use, etc. But this stuff should be reigned in in films targeting young kids. These movies are escapist entertainment, for people of all ages. Not the Discovery Channel. Just because children are molested in the real world doesn't mean Marvel needs to shove it into my face in one of the Thor movies. And the synthetically modified nicotine in modern cigarettes is a highly addictive drug. People fall into habits of eating unhealthy foods, and may fall prey to advertising, etc. that reinforces this, and it can have an effect on the brain, but it's not analogous. But that's not to say that society won't shun fast food in 20 years.
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GasparZizou
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iron.jedi83
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Wait, so, it's only ok to show that stuff if it shows how people get rekt by it?
I don't know about you, I don't smoke and don't like it, but Arnold sure looked cool smoking his cigar in Predator
Predator is rated R. Disney said only movies rated PG-13 and below will not show smoking. i dont know any rated R disney movies but im sure they own other studios who can make R-rated movies.
Marvel Studios would not neuter Wolverine. Winter Soldier is a relentless killing machine and Cap threw a guy into spinning propeller blades.
GasparZizou
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Oh I get you, it's all about the rating, then it's fine by me.
To be fair, Fox's Wolverine is also pretty tamed, I mean, Wolvie's a guy who once stab himself almost disemboweling himself
Because in reality, Wolverine should make TWS look like a cuddly teddy bear.
YankeesFanboy
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Smoking Bad. Sex Bad. Cartoon Violence Good.
They just better not go and Lucas Iron Man 1 to get rid of Obi's cigars. I appreciate what they are doing, (although I'd rather have a no cigarettes policy enforced in Disneyland) I think it isn't the best of ideas. I mean, at least let the villains do it. Bad guys smoke = bad things happen to them. Surely that's OK for the kiddies. I mean even Disney had Pete chomp'n down on cigars in the beginning.
I really would like to see Red Skull come back and smoke his historical fancy long cigarettes like most of his Sideshow pieces just because its the loophole.
I really would like to see Red Skull come back and smoke his historical fancy long cigarettes like most of his Sideshow pieces just because its the loophole.
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