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Yeah, DC really dropped the ball. I think it goes beyond Nolan's trilogy and way back to the Chris Reeve Superman movie. With the success of that movie alone Dc/Warner Bros should have green lit comic book movies. But they didn't.
 
Yeah, DC really dropped the ball. I think it goes beyond Nolan's trilogy and way back to the Chris Reeve Superman movie. With the success of that movie alone Dc/Warner Bros should have green lit comic book movies. But they didn't.

You do remember that after Superman but long before Nolan there was an entire decade devoted to Batman movies, right? And a ton of DC cartoons.

In the 70's and early 80's comic books were still considered by the masses as things for kiddies.
 
DC did well in their cartoons though. I really liked some of their Batman animated films. The Flashpoint animated film was good too.
 
I don't personally care for the nu-52 cartoons, but most of the ones before that were terrific. Crisis on Two Earths sticks out as being particularly well done. And of course, the TV Timmverse was great, as was Young Justice.

It's just that the brain trust at WB figured they should let morons handle the film universe, instead of fans of comics who understood and respected the characters and stories.
 
Finally got to see this today. One of my favorite Marvel films immediately, and one of my favorite comic books films period. I was stunned by the ending (yeah most will come back) but that took a lot of guts to end the film on such a bleak note. I hope part 2 doesn't drop the ball with giving us an ending worthy of IW. Thanos, now there is a villain with a plan that not only makes sense, but you learn to not only empathize with during his emotional moments but actually feel bad for. At least I did, he was willing to sacrifice the one thing he loved to do what he felt was the right and noble thing to do.

As a DC comics fan for most of my life, I can say DC should just not even try to compete at all with Marvel. They got beat to the punch every time and made horrible decisions with no plan at all except (we gotta get to JL because that'll show 'em!) Marvel had a story that took 10 years to tell and with taking no breaks. The build up to IW with the other films made me care more about Captain America than I cared for Batman or Superman in DCEUs version. That should not happen to me! Marvel has done it all, made me laugh, made me sit in awe at spectacles and made me almost man-sniffle twice during IW (Thanos sacrificing Gamora and Spidey hugging IM crying "I don't want to go!") Marvel has done it all and keep going into areas I never thought I would ever see in a comic book film. Cinematically, make mine Marvel.




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You do remember that after Superman but long before Nolan there was an entire decade devoted to Batman movies, right? And a ton of DC cartoons.

In the 70's and early 80's comic books were still considered by the masses as things for kiddies.

Heck the famous MCU formula was made famous by the 1966’s batman, slapstick comedy’s, a fantastic cast, a show aimed at kiddies in a generation where they did not insult the audience at all.

The time wasnt right for anything marvel, marvel need cgi for it to finally get it right while Dc always had a robust cast of more grounded characters hence why their movies made sense for a time. Now Marvel is all cgi dominant on characters.


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Heck the famous MCU formula was made famous by the 1966’s batman, slapstick comedy’s, a fantastic cast, a show aimed at kiddies in a generation where they did not insult the audience at all.

The time wasnt right for anything marvel, marvel need cgi for it to finally get it right while Dc always had a robust cast of more grounded characters hence why their movies made sense for a time. Now Marvel is all cgi dominant on characters.


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Marvel didn't need CGI to finally get it right. They needed a consistent vision, Great Actors, Great Directors, Great Writers. They needed and they got Kevin Feige. Both DC and Marvel heavily depend on CGI.
 
They needed a consistent vision.
They needed more time and films to develop the world, stories and characters properly.
Instead they rushed plot arcs and cut corners in order to make profit from 2 movies per year.

MCU is an incredible mess past Phase One. Which is actually very funny considering the fact that they were tryin' sooo hard to make them by using the same formula over and over again. :lol
 
You do remember that after Superman but long before Nolan there was an entire decade devoted to Batman movies, right? And a ton of DC cartoons.

In the 70's and early 80's comic books were still considered by the masses as things for kiddies.

I think the DC universe goes beyond batman. Looks like those 70's and 80's kids are making Marvel films now.
 
Actually DC was first with the Nolan trilogy, but they shot themselves in the foot with the limitations Nolan imposed on his trilogy (they did not adapt).

Even then, it wasn't too late for them to build their universe. They simply failed at planning it. For example, they did not capitalize with MoS, leaving a huge gap (3 years) to BvS. Those 3 years could have been spent world-building with some solo films for their characters. How many films did Marvel churn out in those same 3 years?

In that same 3 years, Marvel released 8 films, both solo character films and 1 Avenger movie. While DC was twiddling their thumbs, Marvel was building the world of their cinematic universe and fleshing out their characters further.

And that's the gist of my problem with DC's latest films. They lean too much on the spectacle and their characters' names rather than the characters themselves. Nothing in the DCEU films feel earned to me. I never felt an attachment with Superman's death in BvS because I barely knew this Superman and he wasn't even likeable in the first place. Likewise, people in the film mourning his death does not seem earned either in JL because he was a polarizing figure at best in the BvS film.

Of all their films so far, WW was the only one that resonated for me because I feel that this was the only film where the character went through a proper arc. The WW we saw at the start of the film is not the same one at the end and we get to see her grow emotionally and in wisdom through the film. It was the only film in the DCEU lineup to properly focus on the character rather than just the spectacle of a superhero in my opinion.

I remember when I saw IM in 2008, I had no idea they were building a cinematic universe. In retrospect, I was like a caveman discovering fire, but didn't realized it because I was conditioned to view superhero films as individual stories with no connections to other characters. It wasn't until IM2, that I realized what they were attempting.
 
They needed more time and films to develop the world, stories and characters properly.
Instead they rushed plot arcs and cut corners in order to make profit from 2 movies per year.

MCU is an incredible mess past Phase One. Which is actually very funny considering the fact that they were tryin' sooo hard to make them by using the same formula over and over again. :lol

“Incredible mess” LOL.


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Phase 2

Iron Man 3 - meh
Thor: The Dark World- yikes
Captain America: The Winter Soldier- good
Guardians of the Galaxy - good
Avengers: Age of Ultron - better in retrospect thanks to CW and IW.
Ant-Man - meh...but enjoyable

It's like one of those albums you only listen to the hit songs and skip the rest :lol

I think Phase 3 and 1 are the best. Phase 3 has been the longest, with 10 movies, for some reason, so there's more to choose from.
 
Phase 2

Iron Man 3 - good.
Thor: The Dark World- yikes
Captain America: The Winter Soldier- great
Guardians of the Galaxy - good
Avengers: Age of Ultron - better in retrospect thanks to CW and IW.
Ant-Man - meh...but enjoyable
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Adjusted for me.

IW did for AoU what JL had to do for BVS lol



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