Bale sculpts "Personal collection"

[odellwyoung34]

My video from YouTube was posted on here about a recast of the Bale sculpt. As I stated these are not for sale at all but for my very own collection. My friends that I stated I was making a figure for is basically for 3 of my god sons who are kids. Again I don't recast and sell anything for profit as I stated in my video. The problem lies when people recast and sell them on eBay or on here....I've done neither....just wanted to clear a few things out there.

 

[Hydeous]

How bout you asking Serang (whom you said to have known personally), rainman or any other customs artist, whether they think whatever it is you are doing is acceptable or not.

 

[KingGrayskull]

In before the log Indy graphic needed.

@topic: I couldnt care less. Technically everything we do here is illegal. So what... But 3 godsons... Man thats alot of work.

 

[intothevoid]

Personally, I have no issues if the recasts are not being sold or traded.

Shades of grey at the end of the day.

 

[Raymond F.]

I don't care whatsoever. Good for you, it makes no difference.

If I knew how to cast anything id cast the ____ outta stuff if it was for my own collection, I wouldn't sell anything but I'd use to to make all sorts of crazy experiments, practice painting etc. a cast off a cast is never gonna be as good anyway,

With blatant recasters like headplay out there anyone that jumps all over this dude better get their head checked.

 

[axecutioner18]

Hmm, what if your 3 godsons sell those 'toys' you made to give to them... so if I recast the hell out of a sculpt and make figures and gift them to all the people around its ok right?

 

[intothevoid]

Hmm, what if your 3 godsons sell those 'toys' you made to give to them... so if I recast the hell out of a sculpt and make figures and gift them to all the people around its ok right?

You can take any example to an extreme and it will become more and more unacceptable

And whether you 'sell' the recasts or not, if a sculptor/artist becomes aware of one of his customers actively recasting, I would think they would think twice before selling to said customer

 

[axecutioner18]

You can take any example to an extreme and it will become more and more unacceptable

And whether you 'sell' the recasts or not, if a sculptor/artist becomes aware of one of his customers actively recasting, I would think they would think twice before selling to said customer

EGGJACKTLY...

Odell why dont you ask Serang and all those customisers like Moe and all whom you buy stuff from... next time, dont try to take a moral high ground...

 

[Raymond F.]

I dunno I don't think recasts of a cast are anything to right home about you loose the integrity of the sculpt. If I could cast I'd cast off my sculpt, practice painting about 5 times on the casts until I think it was working then trash the casts and paint my original.

 

[intothevoid]

Yeah, but that sounds a little different than recasting for friends

 

[damagecase]

Personally I try to recast everything I get. Don't get me wrong, I'm not on ebay trying to make a buck. Its just that the original casts to me seem like works of art in and of themselves and at 1/6 scale the quality of my recasts suffice for an accurate and fine looking figure. The originals go into my personal library. Perhaps a few years down the road when a piece is scarce and someone really wants one and I have the original cast, maybe I would recast it for them but not without first making an effort to contact the original artist and get their ok. Part of customs is their very limited availability so I think its important to make every effort to maintain that. At the same time though, even though the stuff we collect is very cool and definitely art, they are also toys.

This is an incredibly touchy topic especially with the internet and everything being wired as it is. But I also think its good to have an adult conversation about it. When in doubt I kinda just follow the guidelines in the record and movie industry. If its for personal use, you bought the original and paid the original price, ergo its yours to do with as you like, insofar as you are A) not making a profit and B) not infringing on the artist ability to make money from his/her work. There's really not a lot of room here to compromise.

That being said I'm very interested in hearing all opinions.

 

[Mr. EcKo]

Who cares. Its an unlicensed sculpt. Let him look like a RATARD if he wants

 

[batfan08]

I don't care what Odell does. In fact, I'd think that would be a pretty kick-ass present, if I were one of his godsons, but I do think this whole thing could've been avoided if he didn't put them on the internet, as word gets around fast, and a lot of these guys are very sensitive about the subject. To be honest, though, I think anything's fair game in the customs market.

Last time I checked, Christian Bale wasn't being compensated for those creepy little doll heads floating around (cool as hell to us, but kind of creepy to some of the general population) and each one of them features HIS face. I'm not going to argue the morality of customs, and quite frankly, I'm fine with it, but I do believe that each and every one of these sculpts crosses a line or two for each of the people represented in the sculpts. I really love it when I see guys approving (Fillion, Baldwin, and Cranston), but I'm just saying that when you use someone's face without their permission, there really is no moral high ground.

 

[yruh8n]

I don't care whatsoever. Good for you, it makes no difference.

If I knew how to cast anything id cast the ____ outta stuff if it was for my own collection, I wouldn't sell anything but I'd use to to make all sorts of crazy experiments, practice painting etc. a cast off a cast is never gonna be as good anyway,
With blatant recasters like headplay out there anyone that jumps all over this dude better get their head checked.

This a popular misconception. If you know what you are doing and use good silicone and resin, there should be no discerable difference between the original and the "re"casting. Most recasters are cheap and lazy. They usually only use the quickest setting resin, which can shrink enough to make a noticable difference between the original and the recast. Also they seldom invest in the right equitment like vacumn chambers and pressure pots. Personally I'm against recasting for any reason, period. However if you are doing it only for yourself and not trading or selling to anyone else I don't see the harm in it. However, making a video of yourself doing it and posting it on Youtube may not be the way to go. Just saying.

 

[steven.giunta]

Who cares?if he is giving them to his godsons who wouldn't have bought the head anyway I say go for it,he is not taking any money out of the pockets of a sculpter.also what about the classic predator to p1 conversion kit?that's recasting somebodies sculpt but nobodies complaining.the guy is not hurting anyone,on the video he says nothing but good things about the sculpt .

 

[Doctor Who]

I don't see much of a problem personally.

I think you can compare this to our CD and DVD burning laws in Belgium.

They have no problem if you copy a DVD or CD for personal use. Every person in the household (only the people who live at the same address as the maker of the copy) can use it within their own house.

They do make a problem out of it should you give/sell it to a friend or family member not in the household, but since this is an unlicenced sculpt, I don't see a problem.

I personally recast some sculpts myself aswell, if a figure comes with extra outfits I tend to recast the head so I can display both without going on eBay to buy another head. The quality isn't there but it works fine for me.

All in all, don't go and recast sculpt after sculpt and don't make profit of it, and keep it to relatives and close friends.

 

[odellwyoung34]

Yeah, but that sounds a little different than recasting for friends

Serang continues to sell me sculpts of Spartacus because they are available....the Bale was sold out. Again these are for personal projects and friends of mine....(fathers of my godsons)...who are like 8yrs old....don't think they would resell them lol.

 

[axecutioner18]

Maybe you could have posted on the for sale and tried to be patient? I too didnt get this originally but I tried got one. Im looking for another to get painted. I could have asked my painter to recast the one I have... (I even did, knowing I would crush my original) However my painter was dead against recasting

It is a hobby no doubt, but think about this... plus as you say I dont see the draw of a hellaccurate Christian Bale '1/6th figure' for 8 year olds... I thought the hobby was for mature people.

Next time you buy something ask your seller if hes fine with you recasting it, maybe you'll get the drift. Now say if Serang sells out hi Spartacus, and for that you end up recasting. Ask Serang how he feels

There is a reason why they are called 'limited edition' It is so that someone doesnt end up with 6/7 casts of these without paying. You did. Id like to see you offer CREG $65 for each recast...

I can see this end up in one scenario - Adam never offering his sculpts for a large run and only accepting personal commissions that take /8 months to complete on a one commission at a time basis for $700 - $800 for ONE painted head.

 

[Commtech]

Most of you guys forget that these heads still need to be painted and to be honest, without a good paint job, they are crap. You can say that about every home recasted head. As good as the sculpt might be, bad paintjob=trash.

 

[axecutioner18]

Not difficult finding good painters... money buys everything. Even casters...