Bane vs Loki

[The Josh]

I think if somebody appeared cold and calculating out of this duo, it was Bane. Loki is supposed to be the God of Mischiev, but in this regard his plans and what he accomplished was in no way bigger or more elaborate than Bane schemes.

Also I don't see how the revelation of Talia's character (though stupid, unnecessary and hurting TDKR as a whole) makes Bane *****-whipped. He just worked with her that's all. He was an acomplished mercenary and a guy who drew CIA attention by performing coup's in the third world, long before the events of Rises. They shared beliefes, but the plan and execution was still as much his own.

Both I think probably were I just think Loki was done better in that regard.

As far as Bane himself I've written a couple posts after seeing the movie on why I feel this way. They're in TDKR thread so you can check it out there. Readers Digest version I just think they built Bane up only to cut off his manhood at the end with that lame twist. I will eventually buy TDKR but I still haven't which for me sucks because I do think it was really well done up to the last movie.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Yeah Loki (in avengers) was unique from nearly every other superhero villain as he's happy.

He walks around the film with a big smile on his face & making jokes ect...

 

[TheProcrastinator]

He was sacrastic, witty and sure of himself, but I would exactly call him happy. The whole reason for his plan, was that he was butt-hurt and angry becouse of the way his brother and father treated him (with love ).

 

[SnakeDoctor]

Yeah Loki (in avengers) was unique from nearly every other superhero villain as he's happy.

He walks around the film with a big smile on his face & making jokes ect...

That's not as unique as you'd think.

The smart-assed, jokey, happy superhero movie villain has been around since Hackman's Lex Luthor (assuming you're not counting Meredith's Penguin, Romero's Joker, Gorshin's Riddler, and Meriweather's Catwoman). Both Joker incarnations since Romero. Carrey's Riddler. Even Jones's Two Face, Schwarzennegger's Freeze and Thurman's Ivy had some of that (though all three were definite missteps).

SnakeDoc

 

[Morbach]

Probably should've put that in the movie somewhere.

SnakeDoc

Yeah, I agree. But then everyone'd *****ing and whining about the movie being 4 hours long.

Bane is the one that orchestrates the events to exhaust Batman.


That didn't happen with TDKR with Bane.

I get what you're saying for certain. But if Bane fought Batman at a more elite level than in the comics and still beat him that shows you how badass Nolan's Bane is. He isn't scared of ****. He wasn't dishonorable, he was a mercenary. He had one job and that was to torture Bruce Wayne to make him realize his failure as a savior.

The difference is that comic Bane is why Batman was exhausted. It was part of the strategy ... rope-a-dope Batman and tire him out, then break him.

It isn't enitrely clear in TDKR that Bane even expected Batman to come back at all. His plan would've worked without Batman. They should've played-up the Bane-detective-work to find out who Batman is.

SnakeDoc

Well seeing as Bane knew who Batman is and did all the research into Batman, I'd say he knew his antics would bring Batman out of hiding. Notice, the sewers didn't blow up, Wayne Enterprises wasn't held hostage and the bomb wasn't used on the football field until Batman/Bruce Wayne showed himself. He knew Batman couldn't stand back and let all this happen. It was a set-up.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

Well seeing as Bane knew who Batman is and did all the research into Batman, I'd say he knew his antics would bring Batman out of hiding. Notice, the sewers didn't blow up, Wayne Enterprises wasn't held hostage and the bomb wasn't used on the football field until Batman/Bruce Wayne showed himself. He knew Batman couldn't stand back and let all this happen. It was a set-up.

Yeah ... I just think they ought to have made it more clear. Referencing the detective work to find out Batman's identity would've helped. Also, having their detective work uncover the Dent coverup would've been better than accidentally stumbling onto the speech.

They should've had a more intricate plan for bringing Batman out. Maybe a direct, planned attack on Fox, Alfred and Gordon (who they didn't really attack as much as they lucked-into hurting). They brought Wayne out with the print-theft and stock exchange thing ... followed by the attack on Wayne Enterprises and Wayne R&D ... but, as far as they knew, Wayne was a cripple. So, they knew Wayne would emerge ... but, I'm not sure how they'd have known he'd put the suit on. Maybe it was just a guess given that Wayne himself would be attacked.

SnakeDoc

 

[DiFabio]

The difference is that comic Bane is why Batman was exhausted. It was part of the strategy ... rope-a-dope Batman and tire him out, then break him.

It isn't enitrely clear in TDKR that Bane even expected Batman to come back at all. His plan would've worked without Batman. They should've played-up the Bane-detective-work to find out who Batman is.

SnakeDoc

Yep, good point.


There's also the fact that by chance, mere luck and convenience that Bane came across that letter in Gordon's pocket. He uses that damn thing as a crux to rally the people (even though as an audience we never see the reaction of every day citizens, only Blackgate prisoners). What would he have done had that not happened? What if there wasn't a cover up?

 

[TheProcrastinator]

It isn't enitrely clear in TDKR that Bane even expected Batman to come back at all. His plan would've worked without Batman.

But they knew Wayne's identity, knew he was the Batman, and knew he was responsible for Ras Al Ghul's death. Their main intentions were with the populace of the city, but they also wanted to personaly punish Ra's murderer. Their plans involved Wayne heavily (the taking of his armoury for example), thus they must have come to the city, at least prepared for the possibility that they will have to deal with Batman.

What would he have done had that not happened? What if there wasn't a cover up?

That lucky encounter was indeed a lazy plot device, but it didn't really change much in LoS plans. It didn't change their view of Gotham, just reinforced it. Without the letter, they would continue with the city-lockdown, and Bane would still make the speech about "the city living on borrowed time", just like Ra's would have.

 

[jye4ever]

Bane's character would've greatly benefited had Nolan eliminated the whole silly excommunicated plot element along with the Talia connection.

 

[Bullseye]

Based on the performance in both movies I preferred Loki.

 

[Morbach]

But they knew Wayne's identity, knew he was the Batman, and knew he was responsible for Ras Al Ghul's death. Their main intentions were with the populace of the city, but they also wanted to personaly punish Ra's murderer. Their plans involved Wayne heavily (the taking of his armoury for example), thus they must have come to the city, at least prepared for the possibility that they will have to deal with Batman.



That lucky encounter was indeed a lazy plot device, but it didn't really change much in LoS plans. It didn't change their view of Gotham, just reinforced it. Without the letter, they would continue with the city-lockdown, and Bane would still make the speech about "the city living on borrowed time", just like Ra's would have.

Agreed, well said

 

[Firebird]

I had to vote for Loki > Bane.

 

[Morbach]

I had to vote for Loki > Bane.

Jay paid you didn't he?

 

[Firebird]

Jay paid you didn't he?

We just might be the same person.

 

[-jay-]

Jay paid you didn't he?

We just might be the same person.

King Darkness knows the truth

 

[Chapter 2099]

I voted Zod....

Oh, wait.

 

[Viking Spawn]

 

[M0NSTER]

Loki was better but I hope we don't see any more of him for a while. Not trying to 'troll' but I agree with Evilface on TDKR. I loved the other two but I thought Nolan missed the mark with the third movie. I own the first two but I'll never buy TDKR or feel any need to see it more than the one time I did in theatres.

You never know, a 2nd viewing could sway your opinion.