Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[WWEJedi]

Yeah...wasn't...that's what I meant. He didn't edit the film...but does he have an influence when it comes to the editing? Can you tell what Lex Luthor's plan was...or what he wanted? That wasn't clear.

Just to be clear.... editing is scene placement/arrangement? Correct? I don't know, I think of editing like with the visuals.

If Snyder didn't edit this then... I have no problem with him at all. I have a huge problem with the guy/girl who did. They are the ones who need to be fired.

Lex's plan was to bring down Superman by either framing him or killing him or both He didn't want Superman on Earth because of his past family experiences. Lex was basically thinking what Batman was thinking. At least that is what I got from it. I truly don't have a problem with Lex aside from the candy scene and the Ahoy, Hoy line

 

[Rulk]

shamefully Ill admit, it's better the second time around.

Still not a great film

 

[Commander Cody]

-Lois Lane investigating the bullet and being in the desert. Pointless scene. Delete all of that.

-Lois Lane and Superman kissing in the bath tub. Pointless scene.

-Lois Lane flying off to the fight after being saved once. Delete that.

-Lois Lane trying to get the Kryptonite spear and knowing that it can stop Doomsday. Delete that.

-Lois Lane needing to be saved again in the middle of the fight. Ruins the momentum. Delete that.

-Lois Lane and Superman kissing in the middle of the fight. Ruins the momentum. Delete that.

-Lois Lane opening the package up at the end of the film. Pointless scene. Delete that.

-Actually, just take out Lois Lane entirely. This is Batman vs Superman. Not Batman vs Superman and Lois Lane.



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Thank you. This needs to be said as its my biggest complaint!

 

[olbertfrog]

shamefully Ill admit, it's better the second time around.

Still not a great film

Who s stupid now?!

 

[cmiller99]

Just to be clear.... editing is scene placement/arrangement? Correct? I don't know, I think of editing like with the visuals.

If Snyder didn't edit this then... I have no problem with him at all. I have a huge problem with the guy/girl who did. They are the ones who need to be fired.

Lex's plan was to bring down Superman by either framing him or killing him or both He didn't want Superman on Earth because of his past family experiences. Lex was basically thinking what Batman was thinking. At least that is what I got from it. I truly don't have a problem with Lex aside from the candy scene and the Ahoy, Hoy line

Well, yeah... usually. Editing refers to the pieces of film cut and put into order and the pacing of the film.

Snyder didn't edit it himself, but being the director, he had responsibility for the pacing and the actual decisions that went into the structure of the film and the pacing, the shot selection, what bits to cut and what to leave on the cutting room floor etc. The editor basically does what the director tells them to do and offers suggestions and input.

So if the film is poorly edited/paced then it's still mostly Snyder's fault. Unless the studio interfered.

 

[Rulk]

LOL

the movie is still stupid.

Can anyone explain why Superman couldn't find his own mother in that broke down warehouse?
what was the point of "killing the bat"?

And why is it Superman can locate Lois Lane and her whispering ****** banging on a slab of concrete or save her from falling from a skyscraper ... yet he cant seem to find his mom in some broke down warehouse... but Batman can...

Kinda defeats the whole point of Batman V Superman... did they really have to fight it out?

Throw Lex off a building, boom movie ends 40 mins sooner

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Just to be clear.... editing is scene placement/arrangement? Correct? I don't know, I think of editing like with the visuals.

Yes, the editor is the guy or woman who takes all that footage and puts it together to tell a story. In this case, the film was edited by David Brenner, the same guy who edited MOS and Independence Day. Either way, I'm blaming Snyder and WB, because the film was done like 5 months ago and they saw it plenty of times to make sure the story made sense. They're all responsible.

Lex's plan was to bring down Superman by either framing him or killing him or both He didn't want Superman on Earth because of his past family experiences. Lex was basically thinking what Batman was thinking. At least that is what I got from it.

That makes sense...I guess. That's good enough for me

 

[Rulk]

Martha Fockers

 

[WWEJedi]

shamefully Ill admit, it's better the second time around.

Still not a great film

I am seeing it a second time. I think it will get better after each viewing. Flaws will still be there, but nothing we can really do.

Thank you. This needs to be said as its my biggest complaint!

Can't believe Lois Lane isn't a bigger complaint.

Well, yeah... usually. Editing refers to the pieces of film cut and put into order and the pacing of the film.

Snyder didn't edit it himself, but being the director, he had responsibility for the pacing and the actual decisions that went into the structure of the film and the pacing, the shot selection, what bits to cut and what to leave on the cutting room floor etc. The editor basically does what the director tells them to do and offers suggestions and input.

So if the film is poorly edited/paced then it's still mostly Snyder's fault. Unless the studio interfered.

Thank you for the explanation. Welp... I guess it is Snyder's fault then. He needs to be gone.

LOL

the movie is still stupid.

Can anyone explain why Superman couldn't find his mom and save her?

And why is it, Superman can hear Lois Lane and her whispering ****** banging on a slab of concrete or save her from falling from a skyscraper ... yet he cant seem to find his mom in some broke down warehouse... but Batman can...

Kinda defeats the whole point of Batman V Superman... did they really have to fight it out?

Throw Lex off a building, boom movie ends 40 mins sooner

If he tried to find her Lex's goons had orders to kill her instantly and Lex told Supes if he didn't fight Batman his mom would die.

His hearing maybe only works so far and she was out of it's range? She wasn't screaming in the room either where as Lois was banging on the concrete.

No, they never would have fought, but Batman was stubborn and didn't listen. He didn't know what Lex did.

 

[WWEJedi]

Yes, the editor is the guy or woman who takes all that footage and puts it together to tell a story. In this case, the film was edited by David Brenner, the same guy who edited MOS and Independence Day. Either way, I'm blaming Snyder and WB, because the film was done like 5 months ago and they saw it plenty of times to make sure the story made sense. They're all responsible.

That makes sense...I guess. That's good enough for me

Thank you as well for the explanation. MoS was structurally sound if I remember it correctly, so Snyder holds all the blame.

As far as Lex's reasoning... I think it is justifiable. Did people complain about it?

 

[snoop101]

Sounds like a recipe for yet another film in which we get Angstman instead of Superman.

Uh, DC

Have you seen the movie yet? Why let others spoil the experience? Go see it for yourself and decide.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Thank you as well for the explanation. MoS was structurally sound if I remember it correctly, so Snyder holds all the blame.

As far as Lex's reasoning... I think it is justifiable. Did people complain about it?

Yeah, people are saying he had no motivation...or a plan. I just saw the film, so it's all a blurry mess to me, so I wasn't sure what his plan was and why he wanted to get rid of Batman?

 

[WWEJedi]

Yeah, people are saying he had no motivation...or a plan. I just saw the film, so it's all a blurry mess to me, so I wasn't sure what his plan was and why he wanted to get rid of Batman?

Hmmm... he definatley has reasons from his past to get rid of him. I mean, Superman was an alien that Lex thought threatened the planet (same as Batman) and he had the power to stop him. Can't blame him. In a way... he was a good guy. In my eyes... if people complained about Lex wanting to take out Superman.... they should also complain about Batman then. Although Batman had a... can't think of a word.... more pronounced reason?... to take out Supes.

As far as Lex wanting to take out Batman... he mentions it once doesn't he? Something like "I want you to take out the Bat." I don't view that as a literal meaning, I think he was just playing them off each other and if Batman walked out... I don't know if he would have unleashed Doomsday because Batman accomplished what Lex wanted.. Superman dead. Since they both came to an agreement though... Lex probably wanted them both dead.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Hmmm... he definatley has reasons from his past to get rid of him. I mean, Superman was an alien that Lex thought threatened the planet (same as Batman) and he had the power to stop him. Can't blame him. In a way... he was a good guy. In my eyes... if people complained about Lex wanting to take out Superman.... they should also complain about Batman then. Although Batman had a... can't think of a word.... more pronounced reason?... to take out Supes.

As far as Lex wanting to take out Batman... he mentions it once doesn't he? Something like "I want you to take out the Bat." I don't view that as a literal meaning, I think he was just playing them off each other and if Batman walked out... I don't know if he would have unleashed Doomsday because Batman accomplished what Lex wanted.. Superman dead. Since they both came to an agreement though... Lex probably wanted them both dead.

That does make sense...but the way it all came together was a little too convenient. Although, Luthor knew that Batman had stolen the Kryptonite, so I guess he knew that Batman would use it against Superman? But how did he know Batman had a problem with Superman...did Lex know that Batman was Bruce Wayne? If so, how did he know that?

 

[abake]

I don't have a problem with Luthor's motivation.
He was clearly a megalomaniac who thought he was the epitome of human achievement, knowledge- and intelligence-wise. However, he was a very damaged person, victim of abuse from his father as a child, so, deep down, very insecure. Classic psychopath, but obviously highly intelligent as well.
Superman makes him feel inadequate, powerless, so he feels compelled to destroy him, to show the world that he's not a saviour, but rather a menace, so that Luthor can be seen for what he truly wants to be: the hero, the saviour, the super man.
Luthor doesn't just want to destroy Superman. He wants to destroy Superman's image.

 

[WWEJedi]

That does make sense...but the way it all came together was a little too convenient. Although, Luthor knew that Batman had stolen the Kryptonite, so I guess he knew that Batman would use it against Superman? But how did he know Batman had a problem with Superman...did Lex know that Batman was Bruce Wayne? If so, how did he know that?

I don't think it was convenient for Lex. There was only three ways it could have gone and he failed to see the third way. Batman wins, Superman wins, or they fight Lex together.

As far as Lex knowing they would fight.... I assume he knows from one or both of these things. He knows Superman is Clark Kent and overhears the conversation of Clark questioning Bruce about the Bat vigilante. He knows Clark/Superman wants Batman stopped and would fight him. Or when Batman was chasing Lex's goons it was Superman who stopped Batman and let them get away. So one his goons probably told him what happened and Lex being the smart guy that he is knows Superman has a problem with Batman, thus knowing they will fight.

 

[SNIKT1950]

And why is it Superman can locate Lois Lane and her whispering ****** banging on a slab of concrete or save her from falling from a skyscraper ... yet he cant seem to find his mom in some broke down warehouse... but Batman can...

The Lois/Clark link is from the comics. He's synced to her heartbeat frequency so its basically a sixth sense for him. He can pick up on it from vast distances.

Snyder made a great point to showcase the epic role Lois took up after MOS in Supes' psyche. Again, setting up the INJUSTICE storyline where she dies - which is the one thing that could make him lose his ****.

 

[Darkseed]

Lex know that Batman was Bruce Wayne? If so, how did he know that?

Yes....

 

[WWEJedi]

I don't have a problem with Luthor's motivation.
He was clearly a megalomaniac who thought he was the epitome of human achievement, knowledge- and intelligence-wise. However, he was a very damaged person, victim of abuse from his father as a child, so, deep down, very insecure. Classic psychopath, but obviously highly intelligent as well.
Superman makes him feel inadequate, powerless, so he feels compelled to destroy him, to show the world that he's not a saviour, but rather a menace, so that Luthor can be seen for what he truly wants to be: the hero, the saviour, the super man.
Luthor doesn't just want to destroy Superman. He wants to destroy Superman's image.

Way better explanation than mine

 

[abake]

That does make sense...but the way it all came together was a little too convenient. Although, Luthor knew that Batman had stolen the Kryptonite, so I guess he knew that Batman would use it against Superman? But how did he know Batman had a problem with Superman...did Lex know that Batman was Bruce Wayne? If so, how did he know that?

I'm not sure he knew for certain that Batman had a problem with Superman, but knowing he had stolen the kryptonite gave him two possibilites: either Batman wanted the kryptonite for himself so he could stop Superman if needed, or he wanted the keep the kryptonite hidden so it wouldn't fall into the hands of anybody who wanted to harm Superman.
Either way, Luthor wanted Superman to kill Batman and fall further into disgrace in the public's eye. He clearly states it. Once Superman was further discredited after killing Batman, Luthor could unleash Doomsday to kill Superman and come out as the saviour he craves to be.
How he planned on stopping Doomsday after it killed Superman is left to speculation...