Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[Khev]

Wait, did Snyder really say that if we're not careful we might one day have a Captain America movie?

Oh man, that's right up there with Lucas and Spielberg saying "It's gonna be great, yep, gonna be great..."

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

Seriously? Comparing a critically acclaimed film like TDKR with garbage like The Phantom Menace, 1941, and Spider-Man 3. Only in a place like SSF

 

[Khev]

What you guys type:

Seriously? Comparing a critically acclaimed film like TDKR with garbage like The Phantom Menace, 1941, and Spider-Man 3. Only in a place like SSF

What I see:

I'm a millennial!

So am I!

 

[Hydeous]

I'd be first to admit that I felt like I had mixed feelings after watching tdkr. Like I had to like it since it's after all the original line up Nolan, bale, Caine, oldman and that in time I'd rate it the same as tdk and bb. But no, I think watching a movie now is like seeing a girl that you like at first glance, the chemistry is there or it isn't, you can't grow to like a movie as time passes by.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Only on this forum would a Nolan fanboy fail to see that I was simply offering up TDKR as a counterpoint to directors that at one point seemed like they'd make gold out of whatever they touched...

So making the most financially successful Superhero film from WB, and getting a 87% critical approval rating and a 90% fan rating, and average critic rating of 8/10 is not gold? Because the average critic rating for Batman Begins is a 7.7/10 with an 85% critic approval...but hey, keep comparing TDKR to critical and financial failures like 1941.

 

[daikkenaurora]

Only on this forum would a Nolan fanboy fail to see that I was simply offering up TDKR as a counterpoint to directors that at one point seemed like they'd make gold out of whatever they touched...

TDKR isnt considered gold? News to me.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

The Dark Knight Rises IS gold.


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[karamazov80]

Ego you say? I LOVE Ego!

I thought the same thing when I first saw his post I was thinking that Khev had a fantastic idea for a minute.

That's what we thought about Spielberg, Lucas, Raimi, Nolan (some would argue Jackson and Cameron as well.) If Lucas can direct American Graffiti, Star Wars, and then The Phantom Menace, Spielberg can do Jaws, Close Encounters and then 1941 (google it), Spider-Man 3, The Dark Knight Rises, etc., then the Russos can easily come out with their third superhero movie and just have it collapse in front of them. They *do* seem to have the right mindset for success but...you just never know.

Seriously? Comparing a critically acclaimed film like TDKR with garbage like The Phantom Menace, 1941, and Spider-Man 3. Only in a place like SSF

I agree with Khev on this one. Was TDKR better than those other films?



But compared to Nolan's other Bat-films it paled significantly from my POV. So, it is analogous to any other given director having a mis-step. But like Khev says, few directors have a flawless record making films. Even the Coen Bros., Kurosawa, and Hitchcock had movies that weren't up to the standards they set with others. So far the Russos are 1 for 1. After Civil War I'm guessing they will be 2 for 2. If Infinity War isn't as great, I'll still give them the benefit of the doubt for whatever comes next. But yeah, I do get some a slight impression from their interview that they may not be thrilled with all the executive control at Marvel now that they aren't just the newcomers grateful to get a shot.

And going to DC is better?

For a director? Absolutely. That doesn't mean the film will be better, of course. I said this earlier, but I think with Marvel Studios Feige helps make sure the movies don't suck. But he also places a ceiling on how great a film can be, because you're gonna have to toe the line and meet the status quo there. With DC? All bets seem to be off the table. Ayer may create one of the greatest comic films ever with Suicide Squad for all we know, because he doesn't seem to have execs breathing down his neck constantly. However, we also have exhibit A, which is Zach Snyder. . .and that shows you how far films can go in the other direction without a Feige type involved. But Batman V Superman seems to be the movie Snyder wanted to make.

Worst case scenario seems to be what happened with Fant4Stic, as Fox started out giving the director creative control over the tone and approach, realized it was a train-wreck in the making, then pulls the rug out from under him before he finishes, giving us the worst of both worlds. I never liked the idea of treating the FF that way, but if they're gonna start letting Trank do what he wants, I do wish they would have let him finish, for better or worse. As it is I doubt I'll ever see the film.

TDKR isnt considered gold? News to me.

The Dark Knight Rises IS gold.

Let's compromise, and call it pyrite.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

What you guys type:

What I see:

Glaucoma is a hell of a thing...but hey, it's normal for someone of such an advanced age as yourself.

 

[karamazov80]

Glaucoma is a hell of a thing...but hey, it's normal for someone of such an advanced age as yourself.

I've criticized others here for being so hard on Iron Man 3, but I think the same criticism could apply to myself (and maybe some others?) with this film. Were there some pretty objectively bad scenes and plot points? I think so. Talia's death was hilarious, for example, but many of Difabio's critiques held for me.

But overall it was a well made movie IMO. But as a Batman movie? Not so great. Felt weird and wrong in many places. Just like Iron Man 3 was a really good movie, just not a good Iron Man movie in terms of the expectations geek fans put on it.

 

[RIDDICK]

The Dark Knight Rises IS gold.

The golden turd? Absolutely!

 

[Khev]

So making the most financially successful Superhero film from WB, and getting a 87% critical approval rating and a 90% fan rating, and average critic rating of 8/10 is not gold? Because the average critic rating for Batman Begins is a 7.7/10 with an 85% critic approval...but hey, keep comparing TDKR to critical and financial failures like 1941.

See this is where the millennial thing rears its ugly head. Always needing to extract bits and pieces of a post in order to formulate a dramatic response. Did I say "Here's a list of the worst movies ever made: Spider-Man 3, 1941, and TDKR. All 1/10 films." No. Do those films share the dubious distinction of being letdowns from directors who could previously do no wrong? Well yeah, for many they pretty much do. Are there some die hard SM3 fans? I'm sure there are. Do many love TDKR? Probably. I certainly enjoyed it. I also like ROTJ and about half of TLC. But again, add 'em to the list of letdowns.

And 87% RT score? Really? We're going there? Good. Now bow down to TFA since it's apparently better than 2/3 of your precious Nolan trilogy and right up there with TDK...

 

[daikkenaurora]

I thought the same thing when I first saw his post I was thinking that Khev had a fantastic idea for a minute.




I agree with Khev on this one. Was TDKR better than those other films?



But compared to Nolan's other Bat-films it paled significantly from my POV. So, it is analogous to any other given director having a mis-step. But like Khev says, few directors have a flawless record making films. Even the Coen Bros., Kurosawa, and Hitchcock had movies that weren't up to the standards they set with others. So far the Russos are 1 for 1. After Civil War I'm guessing they will be 2 for 2. If Infinity War isn't as great, I'll still give them the benefit of the doubt for whatever comes next. But yeah, I do get some a slight impression from their interview that they may not be thrilled with all the executive control at Marvel now that they aren't just the newcomers grateful to get a shot.


For a director? Absolutely. That doesn't mean the film will be better, of course. I said this earlier, but I think with Marvel Studios Feige helps make sure the movies don't suck. But he also places a ceiling on how great a film can be, because you're gonna have to toe the line and meet the status quo there. With DC? All bets seem to be off the table. Ayer may create one of the greatest comic films ever with Suicide Squad for all we know, because he doesn't seem to have execs breathing down his neck constantly. However, we also have exhibit A, which is Zach Snyder. . .and that shows you how far films can go in the other direction without a Feige type involved. But Batman V Superman seems to be the movie Snyder wanted to make.

Worst case scenario seems to be what happened with Fant4Stic, as Fox started out giving the director creative control over the tone and approach, realized it was a train-wreck in the making, then pulls the rug out from under him before he finishes, giving us the worst of both worlds. I never liked the idea of treating the FF that way, but if they're gonna start letting Trank do what he wants, I do wish they would have let him finish, for better or worse. As it is I doubt I'll ever see the film.


Let's compromise, and call it pyrite.

I dont know how WB/DC films work behind the scenes but I am 100% sure their are execs involved. They are not going to give you $200 million dollars and say "Hey kid, go make something". Not gonna happen.

And the statement "But he also places a ceiling on how great a film can be" is ridiculous.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

But compared to Nolan's other Bat-films it paled significantly from my POV. So, it is analogous to any other given director having a mis-step. But like Khev says, few directors have a flawless record making films. Even the Coen Bros., Kurosawa, and Hitchcock had movies that weren't up to the standards they set with others. So far the Russos are 1 for 1.

"Up to their standards"? Well 1941, Spiderman 3, and TPM weren't up to those director's standards because those films were bad films....not just by comparison to their previous work. Those films were just bad. Calling TDKR a mis-step when that film was better received than Batman Begins, makes no logical sense. That's all I'm saying.

 

[crows]

Wait, did Snyder really say that if we're not careful we might one day have a Captain America movie?

Oh man, that's right up there with Lucas and Spielberg saying "It's gonna be great, yep, gonna be great..."

he really did say that, its in the interview... he also did say the batman could be raped if he made that movie ...

he said Batman begins was not as Dark as it could have been, Snyder's batman would be darker.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

It certainly wasn't a let down.


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[Khev]

"Up to their standards"? Well 1941, Spiderman 3, and TPM weren't up to those director's standards because those films were bad films....not just by comparison to their previous work. Those films were just bad. Calling TDKR a mis-step when that film was better received than Batman Begins, makes no logical sense. That's all I'm saying.

There are so many different ways to look at a movie and so many ways a film can rub people the right or wrong way. Some films really wow you when you see them and then simmer or even unravel upon repeated viewings. Some are off putting because they aren't what you thought and then after a couple more viewings you go "wow, that was genius." Rottentomatoes is such an ambiguous collection of first impressions that it really is a joke of a benchmark for comparison.

I don't for one second think that TDKR was a "bad" movie. And certainly not horrible like SM3 or the SW prequels. But it's RT "score" is much too high compared to Batman Begins, a much better crafted and satisfying film.

 

[jye4ever]

There is a movie missing between TDK and TDKR.

MOS to BvS was a smooth transition even if Superman still remained angry.

 

[jye4ever]

See this is where the millennial thing rears its ugly head. Always needing to extract bits and pieces of a post in order to formulate a dramatic response. Did I say "Here's a list of the worst movies ever made: Spider-Man 3, 1941, and TDKR. All 1/10 films." No. Do those films share the dubious distinction of being letdowns from directors who could previously do no wrong? Well yeah, for many they pretty much do. Are there some die hard SM3 fans? I'm sure there are. Do many love TDKR? Probably. I certainly enjoyed it. I also like ROTJ and about half of TLC. But again, add 'em to the list of letdowns.

And 87% RT score? Really? We're going there? Good. Now bow down to TFA since it's apparently better than 2/3 of your precious Nolan trilogy and right up there with TDK...

Clown, I like you and all but man did khev just pwn you.

 

[daikkenaurora]

There is a movie missing between TDK and TDKR.

MOS to BvS was a smooth transition even if Superman still remained angry.

Was there? You want to see 2 hrs of Bruce Wayne moping about Rachel dying (which is my favorite scene of the trilogy)?