And Caprica
Battlestar Galactica Episode Thread *SPOILERS*
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At least Eureka is coming back this summer. And Warehouse 13 looks like it could be fun.
BSG has been one of the best series on any network. I'm going to miss it.
What did you all think about the preview for Caprica?
DarkArtist81
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I loved the finale... It had me close to tears a few times... 
It looked bleak in the beginning, I wasn't sure how it would work out or if my favorite characters would survive. But in the end, it actually was very positive.
Cavil blowing his brains out, that was perfect for his character... the ultimate "Frack You!" moment. And I don't understand what people are not getting about Hera's importance.. it was her kidnapping that created the attack, and it was her drawing that led Starbuck to the song and later...to the coordinates for Earth. And on top of that, she was the first mix... the one who would become the mother of what we know as ^^^^ Sapiens.
And Starbuck, to me she is some kind of divine spirit...be it angel or whatever you want to call it. A higher power led her to this point, orchestrated her destiny. Her mission was completed, she led humanity to it's new beginning and end (in a way). She faded away, to meet up with Anders in the afterlife..
The ending for all of the characters was emotional... For me the stand outs were Baltar/Six and Adama/Roslin... Baltar has always been my favorite character, so having him come full circle like that was particularly pleasing to me. That line about farming where be broke down, makes me want to cry just thinking about it. And Adama putting his ring on Laura's hand, as he finds a place to bury her and build their cabin... about killed me.
In the end, it was an amazing end for my favorite show of all time. There are still questions, but "The Plan" might answer a few of them for me. Even if it doesn't, I still don't mind... Life is like that, we never have all the answers. And if we did, it would just ruin the mystery and seem pedestrian. I was left satisfied after this episode, feeling closure... something that rarely happens with TV. Only sadness now is that there might not be another show that resonates with me so deeply ever again, but I can't know what the future might bring...
It looked bleak in the beginning, I wasn't sure how it would work out or if my favorite characters would survive. But in the end, it actually was very positive.
Cavil blowing his brains out, that was perfect for his character... the ultimate "Frack You!" moment. And I don't understand what people are not getting about Hera's importance.. it was her kidnapping that created the attack, and it was her drawing that led Starbuck to the song and later...to the coordinates for Earth. And on top of that, she was the first mix... the one who would become the mother of what we know as ^^^^ Sapiens.
And Starbuck, to me she is some kind of divine spirit...be it angel or whatever you want to call it. A higher power led her to this point, orchestrated her destiny. Her mission was completed, she led humanity to it's new beginning and end (in a way). She faded away, to meet up with Anders in the afterlife..
The ending for all of the characters was emotional... For me the stand outs were Baltar/Six and Adama/Roslin... Baltar has always been my favorite character, so having him come full circle like that was particularly pleasing to me. That line about farming where be broke down, makes me want to cry just thinking about it. And Adama putting his ring on Laura's hand, as he finds a place to bury her and build their cabin... about killed me.
In the end, it was an amazing end for my favorite show of all time. There are still questions, but "The Plan" might answer a few of them for me. Even if it doesn't, I still don't mind... Life is like that, we never have all the answers. And if we did, it would just ruin the mystery and seem pedestrian. I was left satisfied after this episode, feeling closure... something that rarely happens with TV. Only sadness now is that there might not be another show that resonates with me so deeply ever again, but I can't know what the future might bring...
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yes, the fact that Hera is the missing link is very important...
i thought Baltar said "it doesn't like to be called that" when Six mentions god... which is also an important point... spiritualism, not religion... the series makes a strong case for human self-determination.
i thought Baltar said "it doesn't like to be called that" when Six mentions god... which is also an important point... spiritualism, not religion... the series makes a strong case for human self-determination.
I thought it was pretty interesting, it seems like they have a lot there already--but all the stuff from the preview is from the pilot which will be out on DVD next month. They haven't started shooting the first season yet (due next year).
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I link to think Tigh will drop in on the oldman every now and again.
There friendship just seemed to strong and Tigh was so loyal.
There friendship just seemed to strong and Tigh was so loyal.
Supposedly something like angels
Oh my fraking god! Now that's an ending! Seems like it should have been obvious with the old tag line "there are those who believe that life here began out there..." but I didn't see it coming.
The series sure found its religion in a big way at the end. But while the 1978 run was unabashedly riffing on Mormon mythology, this current series could have plucked its messages straight from a Unitarian pulpit -- Allowing everyone to define their own god... God doesn't take sides, "God's a force of nature..." Sin is a human concept, "[God is] beyond good and evil. Good and evil, we created those..."
And then there's that cryptic exchange where god is referred to as an "it" not a "Him." "That too is in god's plan." "You know it doesn't like that name," suggesting, well, to me it suggests that Moore is saying that if "god" is a personification of the universe, then the personification does not like being personified -- in affect that god is an atheist. Or that we each get to define it for ourselves and shouldn't try to evangelize others into our way of thinking. Or maybe Moore is a secret Muslim.
Still... lot of loose strings there. Done on purpose for the most part. What Leoben's connection with Starbuck was, for one. And who the frak is Daniel again? I was convinced that Starbuck was Danial. Hidden in a new body. Of course now Starbuck is a spirit like Obi-Wan. Holy frak! Starbuck pulled a Batman on Lee! Ask a question and then-- gone!
The series sure found its religion in a big way at the end. But while the 1978 run was unabashedly riffing on Mormon mythology, this current series could have plucked its messages straight from a Unitarian pulpit -- Allowing everyone to define their own god... God doesn't take sides, "God's a force of nature..." Sin is a human concept, "[God is] beyond good and evil. Good and evil, we created those..."
And then there's that cryptic exchange where god is referred to as an "it" not a "Him." "That too is in god's plan." "You know it doesn't like that name," suggesting, well, to me it suggests that Moore is saying that if "god" is a personification of the universe, then the personification does not like being personified -- in affect that god is an atheist. Or that we each get to define it for ourselves and shouldn't try to evangelize others into our way of thinking. Or maybe Moore is a secret Muslim.
Still... lot of loose strings there. Done on purpose for the most part. What Leoben's connection with Starbuck was, for one. And who the frak is Daniel again? I was convinced that Starbuck was Danial. Hidden in a new body. Of course now Starbuck is a spirit like Obi-Wan. Holy frak! Starbuck pulled a Batman on Lee! Ask a question and then-- gone!
I don't think she was either. She was clearly something very different than the two "angels" we see. The likeliest answer based on the facts shown is that she was a resurrected Kara Thrace who was taken off the board when her job was done.
Well obviously they hadn't decided they were angels or spirit forms back then. But it still works - there's an ongoing theme of love and coupling in this show, especially the need for humans and Cylons to love and couple. Baltar is separated from Six for a very long time, and the "angel" could have been trying to keep him interested for their eventual reconciliation.
It's a signpost that it's not actually a god at all; certainly not any of the human gods any of us might pray too.
I think it destroys the continuity re: the skinjobs.
How? They've abandoned their technology. The implication for Tyrol is that he's going off to die, and the subtext of the farewell conversation between Bill and his son and "daughter" is the same.
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Those two moments were highlights of the episode for me. The other scenes that stand out was when Galen kills Tory after finding out she murdered his wife and Starbuck's final moments with Sam.
Well in my belief system angels typically are resurrected beings.
Assuming that, I agree that Kara's role as angel is clearly different from the "Baltar/Caprica" angels.
Assuming that, I agree that Kara's role as angel is clearly different from the "Baltar/Caprica" angels.
DarkArtist81
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Those two moments were highlights of the episode for me. The other scenes that stand out was when Galen kills Tory after finding out she murdered his wife and Starbuck's final moments with Sam.
Yeah, you are right on there... all of those just really hit me. I was almost cheering Galen on, even though what he did was truly horrific in a way. There were so many awesome moments of joy, some of fear, excitement, and sorrow. In the end I was just stunned, I had to watch it again to really soak it in.
I'm sad that it's over, but I am just so damn happy to have been along for the ride on a show that didn't pull any punches and actually HAD an ending. It's the best Sci Fi show ever made, behind the OG Star Trek IMO. And the one thing that puts it even ahead of that classic show is the fact that it tells a complete story and ends on it's own terms. It was a fantastic ride, one that I won't soon forget. It wasn't a passing fancy, or a fad, or just something that everyone was watching... it was a masterwork, a tapestry of 4 seasons that surprised me on many occasions. And it will be greatly missed.
I think my favorite part was where the two visions were finally being played out in reality. and the part where Baltar and Caprica enter the CIC and see the final five standing up above flashing into his vision gave me chills up and down.
I'm glad so many enjoyed it, but I found the series rather uneven and a bit overrated. 
It was well made and acted but the narrative rarely wowed or surprised me and often hit all the notes I was expecting. As the series went on, I became bored with it and felt it moved closer and closer to standard genre fare. The finale reminded me of a slightly better Matrix Revolutions.
It was well made and acted but the narrative rarely wowed or surprised me and often hit all the notes I was expecting. As the series went on, I became bored with it and felt it moved closer and closer to standard genre fare. The finale reminded me of a slightly better Matrix Revolutions.I would go so far as to say it was better than Star Trek -- but then it's standing on the back of Star Trek so that is only the way it should be. I think in years to come we will see the influence of this show the way we've seen the influence of Blade Runner. It wasn't so commercially successful that we'll see rip-off after rip-off. But it was so critically acclaimed that aspiring film makers and story tellers will try to live up to its standards.
The final season is still too fresh to put into perspective with the rest of the episodes, but for me the ones set on New Caprica are the standout episodes of this standout series. I have many favs but those episodes really struck a chord.
The show is full of great moments but the one sequence that really rises to the top is the Along the Watchtower moment at the end of season 3. My only personal gripe with the last season is that no single moment tops that one -- several come very close... the epilogue in New York... Gavin having to choke that witch... Boomer fraking Helo in sight of Athena before jumping off with Hera... these were great moments. But switch on 4 of the final 5, resurrect Starbuck, get the fleet in a mess of trouble and reveal how close to Earth they are -- all while weaving in a musical build that's been deftly building for 2 episodes... that's hard to top.
The final season is still too fresh to put into perspective with the rest of the episodes, but for me the ones set on New Caprica are the standout episodes of this standout series. I have many favs but those episodes really struck a chord.
The show is full of great moments but the one sequence that really rises to the top is the Along the Watchtower moment at the end of season 3. My only personal gripe with the last season is that no single moment tops that one -- several come very close... the epilogue in New York... Gavin having to choke that witch... Boomer fraking Helo in sight of Athena before jumping off with Hera... these were great moments. But switch on 4 of the final 5, resurrect Starbuck, get the fleet in a mess of trouble and reveal how close to Earth they are -- all while weaving in a musical build that's been deftly building for 2 episodes... that's hard to top.
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Damn, I can't believe I forgot that part. That was truely awesome. The editing was perfect.
So, does anyone know where we can download that song?
El Skutto
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There's something I either missed, or didn't quite catch, so hopefully someone here can help me out.
That skeleton that was pictured in the magazine that Baltar and Six were reading 150,000 years in the future, that was supposed to be Hera, right? But if so, then how could she be the "Eve" of the new human race, since they clearly stated that it was the skeleton of a child? It seems to me that you'd need to hit puberty before you can become a progenitor of a new race.
That skeleton that was pictured in the magazine that Baltar and Six were reading 150,000 years in the future, that was supposed to be Hera, right? But if so, then how could she be the "Eve" of the new human race, since they clearly stated that it was the skeleton of a child? It seems to me that you'd need to hit puberty before you can become a progenitor of a new race.
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