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yeah just like that new super dupper operating system that came out for pc's awhile back.............what was it called........... oh yeah Vista. ^^^^ing piece of ^^^^, thanks microsoft, ^^^^ing ^^^^^^^s.

seriously after my last two computer purchases i'm getting a Mac next. i'm so sick and tired of freezing and slow speed and everything else that comes with a pc.

I have Vista and it took a few days to get used to. I have no issues with it. I didn't get it when it was new because I knew there would be issues at launch.

I just don't like Macs. They feel more like a trendy little toy that people who enjoy Starbucks MUST have. I just can't stand the things and that's for actual use and not just refusal to change.
 
I have Vista and it took a few days to get used to. I have no issues with it. I didn't get it when it was new because I knew there would be issues at launch.

I just don't like Macs. They feel more like a trendy little toy that people who enjoy Starbucks MUST have. I just can't stand the things and that's for actual use and not just refusal to change.

I hear yah on the trend thing.
 
yeah just like that new super dupper operating system that came out for pc's awhile back.............what was it called........... oh yeah Vista. ^^^^ing piece of ^^^^, thanks microsoft, ^^^^ing ^^^^^^^s.

seriously after my last two computer purchases i'm getting a Mac next. i'm so sick and tired of freezing and slow speed and everything else that comes with a pc.

Oh yeah, because PC's are so slow? If you build your own you can pay about half the price for what you'd have to pay for a Mac with the same specs. Plus, if you build a computer you have much better warranty options than if you buy a Mac or PC package (Dell, HP, whatever). For instance, RAM always has a lifetime warranty, CPU's get 3 years, just got a power supply that's 5 years. That's better than the extra warranty options you can pay for. Also, since the computer is built custom you can switch out parts without voiding the warranty.

And yeah, Vista sucks, but Windows 7 is much better.
 
Oh yeah, because PC's are so slow? If you build your own you can pay about half the price for what you'd have to pay for a Mac with the same specs. Plus, if you build a computer you have much better warranty options than if you buy a Mac or PC package (Dell, HP, whatever). For instance, RAM always has a lifetime warranty, CPU's get 3 years, just got a power supply that's 5 years. That's better than the extra warranty options you can pay for. Also, since the computer is built custom you can switch out parts without voiding the warranty.

And yeah, Vista sucks, but Windows 7 is much better.

You are right! You can build a hell of a PC for half the price. However, as a former long time PC owner I can tell you that the Mac works at the same speed with no maintenance the same as it did when I bought it. No PC ever did that. They are always bogged down by something. A Mac is flat out easier to use. I have had mine for 5 or 6 months and love it. I will never go back to a PC. The definition of insanity as someone put it is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. So I kept buying PC's and expecting them to work and after time the slowed and required a tech to fix it. Not so with the Mac. I am happy to say I am no longer insane and went with what works for me.
 
You are right! You can build a hell of a PC for half the price. However, as a former long time PC owner I can tell you that the Mac works at the same speed with no maintenance the same as it did when I bought it. No PC ever did that. They are always bogged down by something. A Mac is flat out easier to use. I have had mine for 5 or 6 months and love it. I will never go back to a PC. The definition of insanity as someone put it is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. So I kept buying PC's and expecting them to work and after time the slowed and required a tech to fix it. Not so with the Mac. I am happy to say I am no longer insane and went with what works for me.

Stating this to us techs though prolly why we don't find it a big deal :lol
 
Stating this to us techs though prolly why we don't find it a big deal :lol

Yeah if your a computer head and feel like fudging around with your computer more power to you. I am too busy and NEED my computer to function with limited maintenance. Bottom line for me. All I did was plug it in. :cool:

Article about Mac Vs PC

This article is very fair and speaks to the average computer user. ME!


APC readers are not ordinary computer users.

We can swap a hard drive in under three minutes, buy RAM with the right latency instinctively and maintain an updated OS image almost as easily as breathing.

But that's the point -- we're not average computer users.

If you're an 'average' computer user, choosing to buy a Mac is the right decision.

Sure, Macs are not for hardcore gamers who demand to be able to play all the latest game titles. They're not for people who like to tweak every aspect of their computer on a clockspeed level [though that's not to say there's not a very active Mac hardware tweaking community].

But the people described above are not average computer users.

On the whole, the ordinary person needs a computer that lets them email, surf the web, write letters and documents, browse and edit digital photos, rip and listen to music and watch DVDs. They might dabble in P2P and Skype.

For those users, a Mac is absolutely ideal, and the only decision they need to make is whether to by an Apple notebook or desktop.
Admittedly, it hasn't always been an easy choice.

Just 18 months ago, when Apple was stuck in the rut of using underpowered PowerPC processors, it was hard to convince average users of the benefits of a Mac. Anyone who needed to run Windows would have to shell out for the rather costly virtualisation package Virtual PC, and a licence of Windows. It ran unacceptably slowly even on the fastest G5 Macs.

No wonder, then, that people still worried about compatibility between the Mac and Windows versions of Microsoft Office, despite this issue having been resolved over a decade ago.

Since Apple switched to Intel processors, lingering perceptions about compatibility are starting to fade away. It's helped along by the fact that more and more, computers are seen as communication tools, not just gaming and office suite machines. Macs are first class computers when it comes to internet connectivity, with a great default web browser and networking configuration that is dramatically easier than Windows' gordian knot.
"But Macs are so expensive!"

Of course, there's still the lingering chestnut that Macs are still too expensive. My tip to ordinary computer users is not to take the advice from your geek friend who builds his own computer in the back room -- yes, dear APC reader, I'm sort of talking about you.

But don't be offended. I'm trying to save you time in tech support.

Unfortunately, the ordinary computer user doesn't realise that it's necessary to be connected to the net to download virus updates; has no idea of the importance of running Windows Update and doesn't know what the guy from Symantec is on about when they ring to say the subscription's expired.

The ordinary computer user is going to call you for help when they start getting popup ads appearing randomly when they're in the middle of working in Microsoft Word. You will be the one working on the weekend to disinfect their PC from the latest malware installed by your friend's eight year old.

Getting back to the cost, it's true that you won't find a Mac as cheap as cheapest red spot specials from Dell or Acer. But have you actually tried buying one of those $799 laptops recently? By the time you spec them up to a reasonable standard, you'll find you'll have spent half as much again in extra RAM and an upgrade from basic DVD-ROM to DVD writer.

If you're still working on an assumption from a few years ago that Macs are too expensive and a PC is far better value, do yourself a favour and do a feature-by-feature analysis comparing a Macbook to the latest from HP, Toshiba or Dell (they'll be the ones in the Harris Technology catalogue with memorable names like GXA-5456a). I guarantee that you'll find in an even-featured match that the Mac stacks up well.

If it is still a little more expensive, don't forget to factor in your time to help your friend remove all the trialware that comes preinstalled as standard, and the extra cost for your friend to keep their anti-malware subscription up-to-date. Also toss in 3-4 hours of $100 per hour on-site tech-support for the year, for the few weeks you go on holidays to Queensland and your friend desperately needs help. Just in case.
Why Windows users are sort of into bondage

Users who have done the above analysis and still buy a PC are plain stubborn. The truth is, as much as they don't want to admit it, some people are simply slaves to their PCs and Windows. It's a weird sado-masochistic bondage fetish: they take pride in routinely keeping their security suite up-to-date, installing all the latest Windows patches and religiously staying on the lookout for new vulnerabilities

Oh, and there's no doubt the ordinary computer user will have heard that Macs can't run as much software as PCs. Tell him to give Parallels or Boot Camp a shot (it's real, actual Windows running on a Mac at near full speed under Parallels, or full speed under Boot Camp. Complete with all the malware risks that Windows on any other PC comes with.)

Most Windows users who move over to a Mac quickly discover how much they don't need Windows. A quick look through MacUpdate.com, VersionTracker.com and osx.iusethis.com will unearth numerous excellent freeware and shareware apps for Mac that do the same tasks as well as , or better, than the Windows tools your friend is probably accustomed to.

And, of course, when your friend buys a Mac, they'll also get OS X, clearly the most advanced desktop operating system (still miles ahead of Windows Vista in most areas) plus the iLife suite that will literally transform the way you consume and create your digital media.

And you'll buy in to a community of users who actually care about their platform and are enthusiastic about helping other Mac users.

Finally, if your ordinary computer using friend has given the Mac a go for a month and decides he doesn't like it, he can sell the Mac on eBay for 80% - 90% of the original price tag. It's got to tell you something about Macs that their resale value is so well maintained despite the fact that nowadays, their internal architecture is much like any other well-made PC.

So, after all that, what is your friend ... and what are you ... waiting for?
 
That being said I still don't think one is better than the other, and until ppl realize that they fail... It's parts and software and if you pay more for parts then so be it...
 
That being said I still don't think one is better than the other, and until ppl realize that they fail... It's parts and software and if you pay more for parts then so be it...

I don't think there is a right or wrong answer either. I just can give an opinion based on what I use it for. After years and years of PC's, I can say without a doubt that the Mac is better for me. :cool:
 
Tru tru, I can see some other operating systems being more useful to more than others. I've developed on both ends and I'm pretty close to developing programs for almost 15+ years in several languages that both can use effieciently but it's consider how good it's written how much resource is taken, blah blah blah.

But if you break apart each system they have the same vendor of parts, MAC does have Intel boards just like PC and same processors, graphics, network, sound cards as the rest of the machines... MAC does sell the same parts for more of a premium price which I do not feel is right but oh well, their software might not have as many holes but then you can argue that they don't support a larger base of the world so their products shouldn't break their own products if they were meant to be designed to only work on one platform.

See it's back in forth, they both have strengths.
 
Tru tru, I can see some other operating systems being more useful to more than others. I've developed on both ends and I'm pretty close to developing programs for almost 15+ years in several languages that both can use effieciently but it's consider how good it's written how much resource is taken, blah blah blah.

But if you break apart each system they have the same vendor of parts, MAC does have Intel boards just like PC and same processors, graphics, network, sound cards as the rest of the machines... MAC does sell the same parts for more of a premium price which I do not feel is right but oh well, their software might not have as many holes but then you can argue that they don't support a larger base of the world so their products shouldn't break their own products if they were meant to be designed to only work on one platform.

See it's back in forth, they both have strengths.

I agree, however, less maintenance is for me. I am not very computer savvy. So I think Mac is my ticket. :duff
 
PC and Mac should have a baby together to shut everyone up. :lol
 
any Linux version. all i need is a browser and a Terminal shell. :D

i'm still running a very old RedHat version but it works for what i do at my other job.

cat /etc/redhat-release
Red Hat Linux release 9 (Shrike)

it's funny because my other three co-workers running Windows all received the same virus recently. my machine has had uptimes in the months!
 
any Linux version. all i need is a browser and a Terminal shell. :D

i'm still running a very old RedHat version but it works for what i do at my other job.

cat /etc/redhat-release
Red Hat Linux release 9 (Shrike)

it's funny because my other three co-workers running Windows all received the same virus recently. my machine has had uptimes in the months!

What I like to hear, another Linux brother :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock

Free > $$$
 
as Vader says, "If you only knew the POWER!" :emperor

Unix of any flavor BSD, Solaris, Linux, etc, etc.. will help you in the job market! you'd be suprised to know that this OS is found in many industries (entertainment, goverment, military, education). i'm very glad i chose to study in this area. :chew

btw, i find it quite funny to see it portrayed in movies like Hackers, Matrix, and Jurassic Park. :lol:
 
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