Best time of the Year.

[Eli26]

No offense but Crosby was barely 18 when he was an NHLer.. no way Ovechkin would have been a 100 point player at 18. I can't see it. Scoring 100 points at 20 and at 18 is a much bigger difference than you realize..those are some of the biggest years of development in a young player's life. Sid had a 120 points as a teenager, while at 20, Ovechkin had 106. And again, secondary assists or not, No. 87 was still in on the play for 120 goals. Again, 120 goals to 92. 19 and 21 in ages. You have your arguments as to why Alex is better, and I have mine as why Crosby is. Lets just agree to disagree on who's better. lol Cause I can play this thing out until the wee hours of the morning. That is the extent of the fandom inside of me. I am very stubborn and persistent when it comes to the know-all of the game. hehe

But yes, it's like the Yankees and Red Sox. You can't like both teams. You love one and hate the other. There is no such thing as being a fan of both...errr maybe there is but I don't want to know! Much like Pens and Caps fan, we both love the game so much, but hate eachother's teams to no ends, but love them for the rivalry factor. And man, you gotta love a good rivalry. Even though Pittsburgh has won two Stanley Cups to Washington's, what is a million X 0? hehe

 

[KitFisto]

No offense but Crosby was barely 18 when he was an NHLer.. no way Ovechkin would have been a 100 point player at 18. I can't see it. Scoring 100 points at 20 and at 18 is a much bigger difference than you realize..those are some of the biggest years of development in a young player's life. And again, secondary assists or not, No. 87 was still in on the play for 120 goals. Again, 120 goals to 92. 19 and 21 in ages. You have your arguments as to why Alex is better, and I have mine as why Crosby is. Lets just agree to disagree on who's better. lol Cause I can play this thing out until the wee hours of the morning. That is the extent of the fandom inside of me. I am very stubborn and persistent when it comes to the know-all of the game. hehe

But yes, it's like the Yankees and Red Sox. You can't like both teams. You either love one or hate the other. There is no such thing as being a fan of both...errr maybe there is but I don't want to know! Much like Pens and Caps fan, we both love the game so much, but hate eachother's teams to no ends, but love them for the rivalry factor. And man, you gotta love a good rivalry. Even though Pittsburgh has won two Stanley Cups to Washington's, what is a million X 0? hehe

But isn't it about how they have lived their lives and not their ages as to the level of their development? ( rememberthe other thread where you said that )

Also, you can't say what Ovechkin would or would have not done because he didn't get the chance.

120 goals vs 92. Well, when you pass to others who can actually score instead of flubbing your passes you're GOING to get a lot more assists. Period.

Hell, Ovechkin turned Chris Clarke ( a 10 goal a year man ) in to a 30 goal man this year and Clarke is 31 years old so it's not like he's developing as a young player.

Crosby has talent around him. Ovechkin does not. I am not saying one is better than the other. I am saying they are both great, but I like Ovechkin's style of play and his overall game better.

 

[Eli26]

But isn't it about how they have lived their lives and not their ages as to the level of their development? ( rememberthe other thread where you said that )

Also, you can't say what Ovechkin would or would have not done because he didn't get the chance.

120 goals vs 92. Well, when you pass to others who can actually score instead of flubbing your passes you're GOING to get a lot more assists. Period.

Hell, Ovechkin turned Chris Clake ( a 10 goal a year man ) in to a 30 goal man this year and Clark is 31 years old so it's not like he's developing as a young player.

Crosby has talent around him. Ovechkin does not. I am not saying one is better than the other. I am saying they are both great, but I like Ovechkin's style of play and his overall game better.

Ovechkin has no talent around him??? Excuse me?! OH I AM SORRY, WHO IS THIS ALEX SEMIN KID?! Only had nearly 40 goals and a lot of that time was spent on another line from Ovechkin. And while the Capitals may not have Danius Zubrus anymore, nor is he a super talent, he isn't half bad either. Can't forget him. He was a Cap for the better part of the 06/07 NHL campaign.

As for the whole argument of Ovechkin making players better around him, the same could be said about Crosby. Oh yes, but Andy Hilbert's 18 points in 19 games as a Penguin is very familiar territory for a guy with his history, and who's line did he play on to get around that PPG clip? Oh that would be... *thinks hard about it*... CROSBY! Like Armstrong's 41 points in 43 games. I have a bunch of other names I can throw at you, but I don't have all day.

And if you look back, I edited my previous post to this one. Sidney had 120 points at age 19, as a teenager!!! Second greatest point production out of a 19-year-old, EVER! Which is 14 more points than Ovechkin's 106 at age 20. I predicted that Crosby would get more points this year, which he did, and I said this time last year, when Crosby is 20, Alex' rookie age, he would far exceed his 106 point production. Which he already has done, but a whole fiscal year before my prediction. Am I surprised? No, because Crosby is a better player.. and having talent around him or not? Inexcusable... Mario Lemieux, when he first joined the NHL back in 85-86 he had nobody, yet still was a top 20 NHL skater right out of the gate! Warren Young was a 40 goal rookie in 84-85 playing shotgun to No. 66. When he was dealt to Detroit he saw his game wither away until he was shortly removed to the AHL depths of decay.

My point is, if you're Lemieux, Gretzky, Crosby, and Ovechkin, while talent outside of you on the team plays a big factor in those player's overall production, you should still be able to be a dominate fixture on the ice for your team, with a talented laden team or not. Also, if you must really go there, Crosby enjoyed his best quarter of his 102 point rookie season, in the 4th quarter of last season where he scored some 30 points in his final 20 games, without any Mario Lemieux, Zigmund Palffy, Mark Recchi, Evgeni Malkin, and Jordan Staals to aid him. Oh don't tell me we forgot that?! How convenient for you! Thanks for coming out and playing! hehe

P.S. Just teasing you KitFisto. This is so much fun discussing all things hockey with you!

 

[user 1190]

Corsby has a much much better team the Ovechkin.

Hell the Pens have 2 the top 5-10 young players in the game. I think they both are good. I actually think both are very good players. Crosby is probally better at assists then scoring, where Ovechkin seems to be a better pure scorer.

 

[Eli26]

Corsby has a much much better team the Ovechkin.

Hell the Pens have 2 the top 5-10 young players in the game. I think they both are good. I actually think both are very good players. Crosby is probally better at assists then scoring, where Ovechkin seems to be a better pure scorer.

I won't argue that. But like I said, Crosby showed what he could do also without talent around him in big clumps of last season with the Pens.

 

[KitFisto]

Ovechkin has no talent??? OH I AM SORRY, WHO IS THIS ALEX SEMIN KID?! Only had nearly 40 goals and a lot of that time was spent on another line from Ovechkin. And while the Capitals may not have Danius Zubrus anymore, nor is he a super talent, he isn't half bad either. Can't forget him. He was a Cap for the better part of the 06/07 NHL campaign.

As for the whole argument of Ovechkin making players better around him, the same could be said about Crosby. Oh yes, but Andy Hilbert's 18 points in 19 games as a Penguin is very familiar territory for a guy with his history, and who's line did he play on to get around that PPG clip? Oh that would be... *thinks hard about it*... CROSBY! Like Armstrong's 41 points in 43 games. I have a bunch of other names I can throw at you, but I don't have all day.

And if you look back, I edited my previous post to this one. Sidney had 120 points at age 19, as a teenager!!! Second greatest point production out of a 19-year-old, EVER! Which is 14 more points than Ovechkin's 106 at age 20. I predicted that Crosby would get more points this year, which he did, and I said this time last year, when Crosby is 20, Alex' rookie age, he would far exceed his 106 point production. Which he already has done, but a whole fiscal year before my prediction. Am I surprised? No, because Crosby is a better player.. and having talent around him or not? Inexcusable... Mario Lemieux, when he first joined the NHL back in 85-86 he had nobody, yet still was a top 20 NHL skater right out of the gate! Warren Young was a 40 goal rookie in 84-85 playing shotgun to No. 66. When he was dealt to Detroit he saw his game wither away until he was shortly removed to the AHL depths of decay.

My point is, if you're Lemieux, Gretzky, Crosby, and Ovechkin, while talent outside of you on the team plays a big factor in those player's overall production, you should still be able to be a dominate fixture on the ice for your team, with a talented laden team or not. Also, if you must really go there, Crosby enjoyed his best quarter of his 102 point rookie season, in the 4th quarter of last season where he scored some 30 points in his final 20 games, without any Mario Lemieux, Zigmund Palffy, Mark Recchi, Evgeni Malkin, and Jordan Staals to aid him. Oh don't tell me we forgot that?! How convenient for you! Thank you! Come again!

You blew your reply out in the very first line. Ovechkin and Semin did not play on the same line all year up until the very end. When they did, their production went DOWN as they do not paly well together. They are both LW's.

Zubrus was an Ovechkin leech. Zubrus was an average player who's numbers went up by playing with Ovechkin. If you give OV a REAL talented center to play with then look out.

Crosby is better blah blah blah, I love the Pens blah blah blah. At what point have I said Ovechkin IS BETTER. I keep saying they are both great, but I like OV's game more and you're insisting on arguing that Crosby IS better. Whatever floats your boat man.

Also, if you're trying to say Ovechkin has not dominated several games on the ice I'll be happy to call you blind. I am willing to bet you have not watched him play many games other than when they play Pitt.

 

[Praetorian380]

GO DUCKS!!

 

[user 1190]

GO DUCKS!!

:emperor :emperor :emperor :emperor :emperor

 

[Eli26]

You blew your reply out in the very first line. Ovechkin and Semin did not play on the same line all year up until the very end. When they did, their production went DOWN as they do not paly well together. They are both LW's.

Zubrus was an Ovechkin leech. Zubrus was an average player who's numbers went up by playing with Ovechkin. If you give OV a REAL talented center to play with then look out.

Crosby is better blah blah blah, I love the Pens blah blah blah. At what point have I said Ovechkin IS BETTER. I keep saying they are both great, but I like OV's game more and you're insisting on arguing that Crosby IS better. Whatever floats your boat man.

Also, if you're trying to say Ovechkin has not dominated several games on the ice I'll be happy to call you blind. I am willing to bet you have not watched him play many games other than when they play Pitt.

Dude, I never said Semin and Ovechkin played together. Read! lol Perhaps my grammar was off... sorry hockey talk gets me excited and stop quoting my original quotes. Wait until I edit the suckers! lol I am so passionate as a fan. More-so than I should be. lol

Edit: Oh you were telling me Ovechkin was better, you don't have to use those actual words, but your agruments sure made it out like he is.

 

[KitFisto]

I won't argue that. But like I said, Crosby showed what he could do also without talent around him in big clumps of last season with the Pens.

And Ovechkin has been showing what he can do with LESS talent for 2 years LOL.

 

[Eli26]

I'll agree with that. Either way they are amazing players.

One thing our teams share in common, sadly... That tit Jaromir Jagr...what he did to my Pens in the 2001 Eastern Conference Finals. What happens?! Jerk breaks the blade on his aluminum stick early into the game , which was the seventh game... which was also tied! Instead of using one of the 10 other sticks each player brings along with them, he leaves the game to get a new blade put on the shaft of the stick he broke. Which took him out out of the game for nearly half of it, and when he came back, he stepped on the ice when we already had 5 skaters on. Causing for a too many men on ice penalty. What happens?! You guessed it! We get scored on that meaningless, selfish play of his.. PPG! Ends the game and the playoffs and any chance of Mario Lemieux capturing a third Stanley Cup title, or atleast making it to the dance. I won't forget that moment, or the time he decided to not show up for practices because he thought he was above it all. As a member of the Capitals, he was worse. He showed no passion for the love of the sport and that showed on the ice. Both of our teams are better off without him.

 

[user 1190]

Man I am glad I didnt use the comparison I had though about using. To me Ovechkin kinda reminds me of Jagr as far as hockey ability, that pure scorer thing, where Crosby is more of dare I say it Gretzky/Lemieux type player.

 

[Darthrazz]

I'll agree with that. Either way they are amazing players.

One thing our teams share in common, sadly... That tit Jaromir Jagr...what he did to my Pens in the 2001 Eastern Conference Finals. What happens?! Jerk breaks the blade on his aluminum stick early into the game , which was the seventh game... which was also tied! Instead of using one of the 10 other sticks each player brings along with them, he leaves the game to get a new blade put on the shaft of the stick he broke. Which took him out out of the game for nearly half of it, and when he came back, he stepped on the ice when we already had 5 skaters on. Causing for a too many men on ice penalty. What happens?! You guessed it! We get scored on that meaningless, selfish play of his.. PPG! Ends the game and the playoffs and any chance of Mario Lemieux capturing a third Stanley Cup title, or atleast making it to the dance. I won't forget that moment, or the time he decided to not show up for practices because he thought he was above it all. As a member of the Capitals, he was worse. He showed no passion for the love of the sport and that showed on the ice. Both of our teams are better off without him.

I FORGOT about that whole stick incident! Unbelievable....don't forget that for most of the year Mr. Captain Jagr decided not to take penalty shots for the Rangers!!!

 

[Eli26]

I can't stand Jaromir Jagr! I didn't even like him as a Penguin and I liked guys like Darius Kasparitus and Ulf Samuelsson (to a lesser extent, after all he did bugger up Mario's back) when they were on the team.. so that says a lot.

Yeah, Jagr is a windbag. The day he retires is a good day for hockey in my opinion.

 

[Eli26]

Man I am glad I didnt use the comparison I had though about using. To me Ovechkin kinda reminds me of Jagr as far as hockey ability, that pure scorer thing, where Crosby is more of dare I say it Gretzky/Lemieux type player.

I would agree with that, except for the fact I think Ovechkin is at a higher level than Jagr. After all, No. 68 was a product of Mario. Ovechkin is a product of being flat out amazing. Don't get me wrong, Jagr has a ton of talent, but he wouldn't be no where near where he is today without the fact Mario Le Magnifique guided him earlier in his career and showing him the ropes. After all, that is why he was called Mario Jr. Coincidentally, if you changed the letters around in Jaromir's name it spelled out Mario Jr. So if that isn't destiny doing its work, I don't know what is!

That and Ovechkin plays with a ton of passion and has showed to be a team player, which Jagr's game seems to be more geared towards selfish play vs. a team mindset.

 

[KitFisto]

Screw Jagr!!!!!!!

and NEVER compare OV to Jagirl

OV has heart and a deisre to win and will knock you on your ass....Puffnuts jagr is a puss.

 

[Eli26]

Told you Kit us Pens and Caps fan share something in common. LOL!!!

 

[user 1190]

I agree Jagr was a lil ***** if he ever really played hard and tried I think he could have very well without Mario ,but since the was a lil lazy and seflish Mario was a huge help for him. I think talent wise Ovechkin and Jarg is a very good comparison, love for your team, heart, etc.. there is no comparison.

 

[nash]

Thats right the Stanley Cup Playoffs have started.

What a start, a double overtime and a quadruple over time game.
Its no wonder that this is considered to be the hardest championship to win.

LAME!

If you like hockey so much, trade places with me. That's all people talk about here, is hockey. The only thing good about hockey is the fights, much like the only thing good about Nascar are the crashes

 

[Eli26]

GET THE HECK OUT OF HERE NASH! YOUR KIND ISN'T WELCOMED!

BE GONE!