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Just like with Walt, we have less and less sympathy for Saul as the show gets closer to its finale.

Meanwhile, Vince Gilligan says he has the appetite for more BB spin-offs. Any suggestions? Or should he quit while he's ahead?
 
Prime Clone said:
Just like with Walt, we have less and less sympathy for Saul as the show gets closer to its finale.

Meanwhile, Vince Gilligan says he has the appetite for more BB spin-offs. Any suggestions? Or should he quit while he's ahead?
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I don't know if they have enough in the tank for an entire show, but a movie on the Salamancas would be cool. Get an idea of how they got their start with Eladio.
 
Prime Clone said:
Just like with Walt, we have less and less sympathy for Saul as the show gets closer to its finale.

Meanwhile, Vince Gilligan says he has the appetite for more BB spin-offs. Any suggestions? Or should he quit while he's ahead?
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Depending on what happens these last two episodes, a Kim Wexler spin-off would offer possibilities. It could essentially run parallel to Breaking Bad (timeline-wise) but be completely independent of it from a story standpoint. It would be interesting to see what sort of life she leads without Jimmy’s “bad” influence.
 
The Buffinator said:
Depending on what happens these last two episodes, a Kim Wexler spin-off would offer possibilities. It could essentially run parallel to Breaking Bad (timeline-wise) but be completely independent of it from a story standpoint. It would be interesting to see what sort of life she leads without Jimmy’s “bad” influence.
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But wasn’t she dodgy without Jimmy anyway? The whole scam thing with her mother flashback? Tbh I don’t know where this going I have zero expectations at this point but I’m buckled up and ready to go.
 
choombaz said:
But wasn’t she dodgy without Jimmy anyway? The whole scam thing with her mother flashback? Tbh I don’t know where this going I have zero expectations at this point but I’m buckled up and ready to go.
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I think she was trying to go straight (doing the "honourable lawyer thing" to atone for past mistakes) and being with Jimmy kept rekindling the bad side of her.

Much as I love the series, I still feel Howard's character assassination was too much for no good reason, and seemed to come out of nowhere. And she was the driving force behind that.

I'm wondering if that was a plot point from early on when Howard, not Chuck, was intended to be Jimmy's nemesis.
 
Rotfish said:
I don't know if they have enough in the tank for an entire show, but a movie on the Salamancas would be cool. Get an idea of how they got their start with Eladio.
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The Twins are like 2 Terminators straight out of the El Mariachi world. There it is right there, give me El Mariachi vs. the Salamanca Twins.
 
The Buffinator said:
Depending on what happens these last two episodes, a Kim Wexler spin-off would offer possibilities. It could essentially run parallel to Breaking Bad (timeline-wise) but be completely independent of it from a story standpoint. It would be interesting to see what sort of life she leads without Jimmy’s “bad” influence.
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My guess is it would be post Breaking Bad. A show with a timeline concurrent to BB would make fans want Cranston back, and the storyline would be pretty limiting.

If Kim survives, then pair her with Jesse Pinkman.

What are the pulls?

1) The Cartel is in shambles. Everyone by post BB and post movie are all wiped out. Someone has to take over. Only Jesse can cook to that quality.

2) Jesse can get pulled back by Brock ( who is going to take care of him now that Andrea is gone?) and Kaylee ( Mike and Jesse had a bond, no one is taking care of Mike's daughter and grand daughter)

3) Elliott and Gretchen might not keep their word about the money and Flynn/Walt Jr. If Gray Matter Technologies goes under, the logical route then is to turn it into a huge drug front, with Jesse cooking and Kim taking over the legal/logistics.

I think you can squeeze a show out of that. But so many characters are gone now. I'm not sure Pinkman and Wexler could hold up a show on their own.


The real interesting character as a sleeper candidate is Marco ( Mel Rodriguez from Last Man On Earth) Saul's childhood scam buddy. He's a good actor and his storyline could go in all kinds of directions.
 
Mad that after all he has been through, he gets taken down by an old lady on a motorised cart.
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It's funny watching pretentious millennial TV critics bending over backwards to fellate themselves over how "devastated" a stupid TV show made them. It's like they're jealous that they weren't around for Twin Peaks or The Sopranos so they so desperately NEED some kind of high-art television show they claim as their own.

Better Call Saul sucks. It gives new meaning to the words "boring" and "meandering." After a decade of people telling him his **** don't stink, Vince Gilligan believes his own hype. There's nothing "artsy" or "groundbreaking" about this show. It's just student-film level self-congratulatory wankery.

I gave this show a fair shot cause I love Bob Odenkirk and I liked his character on Breaking Bad. After a few seasons, it became evident to me that this was the TV equivalent of watching paint dry and I stopped watching it.

I caught the last two weeks' episodes though cause my parents were watching it. (Well, it was on the TV...they weren't really "watching" it cause both of them were staring at tablets the whole time.) It's just as bad as I remembered it.

Does anyone truly, honestly ENJOY watching this show, or do people just say they like it to sound cultured?
 
Otomofan said:
It's funny watching pretentious millennial TV critics bending over backwards to fellate themselves over how "devastated" a stupid TV show made them. It's like they're jealous that they weren't around for Twin Peaks or The Sopranos so they so desperately NEED some kind of high-art television show they claim as their own.

Better Call Saul sucks. It gives new meaning to the words "boring" and "meandering." After a decade of people telling him his **** don't stink, Vince Gilligan believes his own hype. There's nothing "artsy" or "groundbreaking" about this show. It's just student-film level self-congratulatory wankery.

I gave this show a fair shot cause I love Bob Odenkirk and I liked his character on Breaking Bad. After a few seasons, it became evident to me that this was the TV equivalent of watching paint dry and I stopped watching it.

I caught the last two weeks' episodes though cause my parents were watching it. (Well, it was on the TV...they weren't really "watching" it cause both of them were staring at tablets the whole time.) It's just as bad as I remembered it.

Does anyone truly, honestly ENJOY watching this show, or do people just say they like it to sound cultured?
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If that's how you truly feel, you might find this interesting. While VG co-created the show with Peter Gould, he's only written/co-written 4 out of 60+ episodes, which puts him well down the list when it comes to the creative influences on the show. During his appearance on Talking Saul on Monday I was surprised to learn that he came back to contribute on some of these last shows & that Gould has apparently been steering the ship since the latter half of season 1. I do think that the episodes VG has written on this season haven't been quite as engaging as the others, so you may have a point about him. Then again, once the Lalo storyline wrapped the remaining pre-Breaking Bad stuff (while interesting in terms of what happens with Kim) was always going to be anti-climactic. The post-BB stuff with Gene has been a slow burn, but I think that's by design and shows that Jimmy/Saul could never persevere with laying low like Kim did.
 
I drifted in and out of it for years so it wasn't compulsive viewing for me. But it was a solid character study and has become more of a must-see in later seasons.
 

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