Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017) *SPOILERS*

[Username]

Re: Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017)

Uh....she's listed in the credits?

Maybe because they used her face and voice?




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They used footage from the first movie.

 

[xipotec]

Re: Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017)

They used footage from the first movie.

What? That can't be right....the memory stuff?


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[Username]

Re: Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017)

What? That can't be right....the memory stuff?


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Yeah. We have Crispin Glover to thank for actors having to be credited with a re-use of their original dialogue and footage(And rightly so, of course).

 

[pug205]

Re: Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017)

Sean Young was brought in for recording dialogue as well as motion capture.

 

[xipotec]

Re: Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017)

She got a pretty high up credit for that....she was billed like 5th?


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[karamazov80]

Re: Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017)

Yeah. We have Crispin Glover to thank for actors having to be credited with a re-use of their original dialogue and footage(And rightly so, of course).

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017)

Well, whoever Rachel was you guys should look at her hand when she touches Deckard ... they didn't de-age that plump oldie.

 

[Sachiel]

Re: Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017)

OK, I was wrong.

https://www.indiewire.com/2017/10/blade-runner-2049-vfx-replicant-sean-young-rachael-1201889072/

Body double Loren Peta played the young Rachael (in costume, makeup, and with dotted face) and performed on set with Ford and Jared Leto. She was directed by Denis Villeneuve, with Young on set as well for reference. The goal was to merge the two into a perfect replica.

“Denis really liked Loren’s performance when it was cut together, but part of our plan was to do a facial capture of Loren and Sean,” said Oscar-winning production visual effects supervisor John Nelson (“Gladiator”). “So on a secret Saturday [in Budapest] we brought in Sean and Loren using the DI4D PRO Facial Capture System, saying their lines.”

Oscar-winning MPC (“The Jungle Book”) was tasked with animating the 20-year-old Rachael. After getting the present-day scan of Young’s head, that reference was used to model an anatomically correct 3D skull. The digital sculpt provided a clear idea of the proportions of her head, including the bridge of the nose, cheekbones, and jaw line.

“We captured both actresses doing the scene in a controlled facial capture environment, but, in the end, because we wanted to tell this story with subtle changes, we ended up hand-animating the whole thing,” said MPC visual effects supervisor Richard Clegg.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017)

They didn't do her hand though.

 

[Tyderium]

Re: Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017)

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As good as the Rachael CGI is, and it is a stunning technical achievement without question, the likeness is still a bit off. There is an equal mix of 1982 Sean Young and Loren Peta (understandably) in the face, so it is diluting a pure likeness. If you compare the pics of Loren Peta in costume and makeup to the finished CGI Rachael you'll see what I mean. I've seen the film 3 times and I notice it each time. Especially when you are able to directly compare the digital version with the real Rachael/Sean Young shown in the dream sequence only moments before. As a CGI human creation though, it is a new benchmark in realism.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017)

Spoiler

As good as the Rachael CGI is, and it is a stunning technical achievement without question, the likeness is still a bit off. There is an equal mix of 1982 Sean Young and Loren Peta (understandably) in the face, so it is diluting a pure likeness. If you compare the pics of Loren Peta in costume and makeup to the finished CGI Rachael you'll see what I mean. I've seen the film 3 times and I notice it each time. Especially when you are able to directly compare the digital version with the real Rachael/Sean Young shown in the dream sequence only moments before. As a CGI human creation though, it is a new benchmark in realism.

She really didn't look so real to me.

 

[Tyderium]

Re: Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017)

Not 100% but in the context of what's come before with CGI humans I thought it was extremely good and the best I've seen.

 

[xipotec]

Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017)

I dunno , again talk to a person who does not Sean young was in the first one and they would never know that was a CGI character....

Same with Tarkin....we just are so jaded to the fact that we know it's CGI that we cannot accept it a totally real....

And that scene was near perfect....

Dat headshot thou!!


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[Wor-Gar]

Re: Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017)

I thought Tarkin was better. He had to act and speak and everything.

Rachel just remained vague, distant, and still the trick didn't convince. She looked a little 'bloated' to me too -- which gives away the 'actor' underneath. Granted, she's supposed to seem distant, but the leap wasn't as far for me. I think people are taking the more serious nature of the film and attributing it to her CGI work as well.

 

[Tyderium]

Re: Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017)

Huh, interesting how everyone's perception is different.
I actually thought the CGI Rachael looked a little older than she should have been, not really bloated. Sean Young was only 19 or something in the original.
And I thought Tarkin looked a little cross eyed in RO

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017)

Bloated is a bad term but I couldn't think of a better word. Slightly chubby maybe. Slightly, but enough that she looked off to me. My question was: did they de-age her or CGI her over an actor. Don't get me wrong, it was amazing work... but just off to me. Not like RO Leia off, but off.

 

[Luminous]

Re: Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017)

I think there are two separate arguments being made in this discussion. One is for how accurate the likeness was to Sean Young (circa 1982) and the other for how life-like the CG render was. I agree that while the likeness was very close and convincing, it still felt off. Like Wor-Gar said, the presented character seemed a little heavier. However, that CG render was extremely life-like, IMO. The best CG depiction of a human being I have ever seen on film.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017)

Perhaps that's a good way to put it. She felt pretty lifelike to me -- as much as Rachel did in 1982. But the likeness was off for me. Made me realize this was not Rachel from 1982.

 

[Tyderium]

Re: Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017)

Yes. As a CGI render, the most lifelike human I've seen. But likeness to 1982 Sean Young not quite there.

Villeneuve directed Loren Peta on set and they used her face for motion capture. They also used Sean Young's face for motion capture and dialogue (this is why she is listed in the credits) and essentially combined information from the two for the digital head which was used on top of the footage of Loren Peta's body. Young also was on set coaching Peta how Rachael would walk.

 

[Luminous]

Re: Blade Runner 2049 (October 6th, 2017)

Yes. As a CGI render, the most lifelike human I've seen. But likeness to 1982 Sean Young not quite there.

Villeneuve directed Loren Peta on set and they used her face for motion capture. They also used Sean Young's face for motion capture and dialogue (this is why she is listed in the credits) and essentially combined information from the two for the digital head which was used on top of the footage of Loren Peta's body. Young also was on set coaching Peta how Rachael would walk.

Very cool. Did not know that.