Bootleg games. Your feelings

[KitFisto]

I used to DL free music several years ago before I knew it was such a "big deal". And I mean back when I still had dial up and it took 20 min to DL one song LOL.

I never do it anymore except for iTunes which is .99 cents a song.

 

[tma1c]

I used to DL free music several years ago before I knew it was such a "big deal". And I mean back when I still had dial up and it took 20 min to DL one song LOL.

I never do it anymore except for iTunes which is .99 cents a song.

So now you're a better man. I wish I could say the same.

 

[Solidus]

The max market price is the max price the market will bear for a particular product. I know it doesn't have any effect on the pricing because all it takes is looking at every single console or PC game out, now or in the past, to see that pricing does not change based on piracy or lack thereof. I didn't say that corporations didn't lose money to piracy, I said that zero piracy (which is impossible regardless) wouldn't cause a reduction in prices, as is seen in consoles with zero piracy, or console gaming prices before piracy enters the picture. It's pretty simple.

One would think, given the range of consoles and PC games released, some which were damn difficult to pirate and some which were incredibly easy to pirate, there would be some real world proof of your assumptions, but I know that's not possible, since it doesn't exist.

Edit : This whole thing is veering a bit off topic so I'll let the thread get back on course, I'm out for the evening!

1. What you're saying would have been true if the value of money, and the cost of technology remained static. However, that's certainly not the case. The value of the dollar varies significantly over time, while the cost of producing technology is always decreasing (meaning that technological and manufacturing costs were more expensive years back). The worth of $59 dollars today isn't the same as $59 a decade ago - it was a completely different market. Also, let's not forget that the gaming industry was significantly smaller 10 years ago than it is today (less competition = higher prices).

Taking all of those factors into consideration, it's not right for you to say, that you can draw a trend (where there is no trend), and conclude that piracy doesn't affect the price of games. Now, there probably is trend-like information out there (proving something), but I bet it's very complicated .

Anyways, good debate . Now, I have to take a break from this thread, and I need to get back to........... whatever it was I was doing?? .

 

[Chimera 1]

My opinion is like this. A PC game that gets bootlegged years after it is off the shelf is ok. New games of any format need to be bought retail. I support game studios and their creations. If we steal from them then the next great game may not get financed. I think the DLC is a rip off and should be cheaper if not free since we pay full price and sometime more for SE's. Now with that being said, gamestop is ripping off the developers by selling the same game over and over again as preowned. Developers only get paid off the initial sale of the game and receive nothing when their game is traded in and then resold. But bootlegging a game no longer sold new retail is ok in my opinion because no one is losing any money.

 

[Valfar]

Seriously, with the amount of crappy games that were made over the years, and the amounts of money i spent from console to console only to end up selling them(most of them) i have no objection to having my system flashed and cheap games bought..if there was no way to flash 360 then i would be ultra picky with my selection of games i buy, but..now because i have it flashed i can buy a really crappy game and not feel robbed(like i did all those years of buying crap games at full price) guess this is my way of pay back in a sense..i know its wrong but, its not murder..the guys that are selling this to me..they get in deep doo doo ,not i.

 

[THX-182]

Unfortunately you are still breaking the law by buying a copy of the game. You are lining the pockets of the pirates and thus making them want to continue to do what they do. It ultimately hurts the game industry by reducing the number of legitimate copies sold and has effects on future games that the companies produce. What a person does with their copy of the game as far as selling it does not hurt the industry as long as it is the original copy being sold. The games are not marked to not be resold but clearly copies are against the rules.

Perhaps if you cannot afford to risk buying a "crappy" game, then maybe you should just stick to renting to try them out? Getting burned in the past for buying a bad game isn't an excuse for what you do and is nobody's fault but your own. If you can't afford to play then that is life. What you do is one of the lowest acts humans can do, stealing. It doesn't make you awesome or a cool guy to be able to get away with it. And if you can do it without feeling bad for it than you are a sad excuse for a human being.

 

[Valfar]

i can afford to buy the games i want, just i am not hardcore into them so, this outlet suits me fine..i am done renting..thats a waste to me actually..and most of the times i did rent the game, it was scratched all to piss.

 

[MooMooEgg]

don't forget games are more expensive now because of the huge staffs companies have to employ to make the games. Watch the credits after beating a game like Gears of War and see how many people had to contribute to program, design, and sometimes act (voice or motion capture) in the game. There are definitely more than that of an NES game, which, if I remember correctly, cost around 50 bucks new (back in late 80's/early 90's currency). With inflation and such, I don't think a $10 price hike is that much of a burden for what we're seeing on screen now.

And yes, I understand it adds up if you buy 10 games a month every month... but really, I don't think 10 good games (that are worth paying full price) even come out in a year.

But back on the bootlegging issue... I don't approve of bootlegging new games (I don't consider getting roms of games from dead systems bootlegging). Seriously, if you can't afford to buy a game and support the company, tough breaks. Save up your money--don't go watch a movie, don't get that $8 meal at McDonald's-- and then you can afford the game. Want another game? Sell the old one you just bought to finance the new game. Or just go the GameFly route and rent a few if you have to be playing all the time.

 

[Jamal]

Nope, never have and never will.

$60 really isn't that bad of a price for a video game if you ask me. We are all on the same forum here... do people forget the prices for collectibles these days? For something that sits on a shelf, come on.

Also, companies need to pay people to make the games we enjoy. I think a lot of people forget that as well.

I paid, 120AUD for SFIV today for PS# bro ;/

So, none of you have either downloaded a movie, downloaded a song, downloaded a game, downloaded porn u didnt pay for, or downloaded an ebook you didnt pay for?

If so, grats to you.

 

[BadMoon]

So, none of you have either downloaded a movie, downloaded a song, downloaded a game, downloaded porn u didnt pay for, or downloaded an ebook you didnt pay for?

If so, grats to you.

I don't understand why people keep trying to justify their own doings by asking these questions? At the end of the day it doesn't matter what someone else does or doesn't do. If you are stealing then you are stealing. Someone elses actions can never change that. Just my two cents.

 

[tma1c]

I don't understand why people keep trying to justify their own doings by asking these questions? At the end of the day it doesn't matter what someone else does or doesn't do. If you are stealing then you are stealing. Someone elses actions can never change that. Just my two cents.

That's true. I will go to confession and repent my sins so I can make it to Heaven one day.

 

[lerath666]

That's true. I will go to confession and repent my sins so I can make it to Heaven one day.

there is an alternative to that. just make a bootleg of heaven and use it. it's just as good right?

 

[NASEDO]

its a technology thing now. I'm sure people record TV shows and made copys of cassettes back in the day. I guess thats stealing. I download music, games and videos, because SS statues are so much money.

 

[Solidus]

there is an alternative to that. just make a bootleg of heaven and use it. it's just as good right?

There is a bootleg heaven, and I think it's called Purgatory .

 

[Valfar]

its a technology thing now. I'm sure people record TV shows and made copys of cassettes back in the day. I guess thats stealing. I download music, games and videos, because SS statues are so much money.

Good point buddy! well said!.

 

[lerath666]

its a technology thing now. I'm sure people record TV shows and made copys of cassettes back in the day. I guess thats stealing. I download music, games and videos, because SS statues are so much money.

So you're saying it's ok to steal since you can't afford everything you want....


Look, I have a personal stake in this, so I'm nog going to see bootlegging in this fashion as ok ever. Especialy since i plan to support my family with my carreer in this field. I know there will allways be dreag, and goofy dumb teens and whoever wh odo it for whatever reason they feel is justified, and there is little to nothing i can do about it. All I want personaly, is the people who do it to understand what it is that they are doing. IF they can actualy do it and know what it is they are doing in full with a clear contious, then fine. But I really doubt you can actualy take into account what it is they're really doing and still do it.

 

[KitFisto]

its a technology thing now. I'm sure people record TV shows and made copys of cassettes back in the day. I guess thats stealing. I download music, games and videos, because SS statues are so much money.

Not really. There was no disclaimer that said you were not allowed to tape and watch a TV show. The NFL I know used to to put one on about "unautherized broadcasts" and such, but to tape a TV was not and is not illegal. CD's and music have warning about illegal reproduction on them. I m pretty sure games do too. It's illegal, period. I don't think anyone should be burned at the stake for it, but it's not an "iffy" thing. It's illegal.

 

[drunk_leprechaun]

before the 360 & ps3 came out, i owned around 250 bootleg games for the ps2. i started buying original games for the 360 & ps3 soley because i like the boxes...oh so neat. yes i have some sort of ocd. games here cost AED 325 a pop, around $88. most of the people i know purchase pirated copies for $5. i'd go ahead and mod my 360 if i wasnt afraid of it breaking down. no pirated games for tthe ps3 yet in the uae. is pirating games stealing? yes. so is chargeing $88 per game.

 

[THX-182]

Well sooner or later those of you who buy pirated copies of games will get caught. Justice will find you. You may not think so now but sooner or later the odds say you'll slip and get busted. They may not have found you yet, but when they do you'll wish you never started it. You think your slick now but I'll be mentally laughing my ass off when you all are dealing with the consequences. Crime does not pay.

 

[drunk_leprechaun]

Well sooner or later those of you who buy pirated copies of games will get caught. Justice will find you. You may not think so now but sooner or later the odds say you'll slip and get busted. They may not have found you yet, but when they do you'll wish you never started it. You think your slick now but I'll be mentally laughing my ass off when you all are dealing with the consequences. Crime does not pay.

Saw something really funny the other day. The mudeer ( sort of commissioner) of Ras al Khaimah Police buying pirated x360 games with his little son.