Burton & Ferrell suck!!

[Michael Crawford]

POTA, Alice and Charlie aren't remakes, as all are based on books.

Dark Shadows is not great television. It wasn't even particularly good television. It was a mediocre soap opera with witches and vampires. I loved it as a kid, but that doesn't mean it's great television.

Whether or not Burton's version will be better remains to be seen, but I didn't get anything remotely like Twilight out of the trailer, and even Beetlejuice is a huge stretch. I did see more comedy than I expect, but how much of that is real and how much is part of the marketing gimmick is tough to tell.

Television shows being remade as movies has had a worse track record for success than remakes of movies, at least as far as I'm concerned. 21 Jump Street appears to be an exception, but there aren't many others. Adam's Family was okay. Charlie's Angels were as good as the show was, but that's not saying a whole lot, and I think that's the issue - Bewitched, Land of the Lost, Beverly Hillbillies, Dukes of Hazzard, Starsky and Hutch, Scooby Doo, Flintstones...these aren't good shows to begin with. They were mediocre television shows that filled time slots and people could take or leave. They try rehashing the same tired plotlines as a movie with generally bad acting, and they seem surprised that the results suck.

The only two exceptions I can think of (haven't seen Jump Street yet so can't comment) were based on shows that were originally great - The Simpsons Movie and The Twilight Zone Movie.

 

[crows]

Tim Burton DID NOT Direct Nightmare Before Christmas
he only Wrote it, that was it, I hate how Nightmare is thought of as a Burton Film when he didn't even direct it, sure he wrote it but what you saw on screen was Henry Selick work!

I Hated Alice in Wonderland, but something similar happened,
the reason Alice in Wonderland sucked....Linda Woolverton
Thanks to her Crappy story, that movie sucked, I mean, it was Burton's fault too, but
the crappy script came from Linda Woolverton...

 

[galactiboy]

POTA, Alice and Charlie aren't remakes, as all are based on books.

True, although in the case of POTA Burton's version had much more in common with the film version than the book. So I'd go more with remake; even though there was a book it could have been adapted from I doubt anyone cracked it open.

 

[Reinhardt]

I love almost everything that has come out of Burton's shop. I haven't seen Alice though. For me, it's his visual style and his love of the weird.

Thought his Charlie was better than the original (runs)
POTA was visually a treat, but the story was pretty blah - won't blame Burton for that though.

I am getting a bit tired of having Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter cast in everything though. As great as they are, I'd like to see some new faces.

 

[pixletwin]

I liked Charlie and the Choco better in some ways than the original.

 

[Rotfish]

You lost me at Batman.

Yeah... this thread should be called "List Your Controversial Opinions."

 

[OSCORP]

Burton is overrated as hell. Like Will though.

 

[crows]

He WROTE and PRODUCED, it was HIS OWN ORIGINAL IDEA, he even drew the designs for it years prior when he was an animator at Disney. Its also called "Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas". Burton himself "hired" Selick to direct it because he loved Selick's animation and Burton was by his side for every detail of the movie. Selick basically took many years of Burton's ideas and made it work in stop motion animation. Its like George Lucas hired Irvin Kershner to direct Empire Strikes Back, but its really Lucas's project. No one ever says "Irvin Kershner's Empire Strikes Back"

so in the end, its a Tim Burton's movie, it was just a collaborative project. Selick never would have been part of it without Burton.

is funny how you mention George Lucas and Irvin Kershner and Empire Strikes back, because well, you just proved my point, I mean, is not like Episodes 1 2 and 3 are complete piles of poop,

of course Burton is no Lucas, I'm just saying, a lot of people, the only movie they like of Burton is Sissorhands and Nightmare, but nightmare was not even completely directed by him,

Robert Rodriguez Name is on Predators, yet he didn't even Write it, or direct it, just produced, that movie had other writers..

 

[Ironman1188]

Gonna obviously disagree with you about Batman and Batman Returns (especially Batman) there Iron Man but I can agree with a majority of your list. I see where you're coming from being a Planet of the Apes fan, the original Heston cannot be touched (though the recent Rises film was pretty damn good) and that excuse of a remake was awful. It's odd though because, take away Burton's name and you can hardly tell it's "one of his" films.

But yeaaah, Batman, as soon as I saw that you listed that I wanted to kill yah. Other than that I agree.

Oh and I like Ferrel too, in doses.

Thanks for not killing me. Been a Batman fan for a LOOOONNNGGG time. Was very psyched to see him getting to the big screen in 1989. Then was very disappointed when I left the theater.

POTA, Alice and Charlie aren't remakes, as all are based on books.

Dark Shadows is not great television. It wasn't even particularly good television. It was a mediocre soap opera with witches and vampires. I loved it as a kid, but that doesn't mean it's great television.

Whether or not Burton's version will be better remains to be seen, but I didn't get anything remotely like Twilight out of the trailer, and even Beetlejuice is a huge stretch. I did see more comedy than I expect, but how much of that is real and how much is part of the marketing gimmick is tough to tell.

Television shows being remade as movies has had a worse track record for success than remakes of movies, at least as far as I'm concerned. 21 Jump Street appears to be an exception, but there aren't many others. Adam's Family was okay. Charlie's Angels were as good as the show was, but that's not saying a whole lot, and I think that's the issue - Bewitched, Land of the Lost, Beverly Hillbillies, Dukes of Hazzard, Starsky and Hutch, Scooby Doo, Flintstones...these aren't good shows to begin with. They were mediocre television shows that filled time slots and people could take or leave. They try rehashing the same tired plotlines as a movie with generally bad acting, and they seem surprised that the results suck.

The only two exceptions I can think of (haven't seen Jump Street yet so can't comment) were based on shows that were originally great - The Simpsons Movie and The Twilight Zone Movie.

I didn't mention Alice as a remake. However, whether based on a book or not POTA and Charlie ARE remakes. Of course, Burton would probably have fared better had he made his POTA like the book.
Dark Shadows may not be great TV, but it certainly is classic TV.
To explain my Beetlejuice/Twilight comment; Beetlejuice was a comedy as it appears that this dark shadows will be [and a direct slap in the face to any fan of the original] and Twilight was a vampire movie that tried a different vein from the traditional vampire lore, making it much a joke as well.
Yes, TV shows being made as movies fare badly, although I can't imagine you ever saw the TV series 21 Jump Street if you think this new film would seem to do it justice.
I would be interested in your list of good tv as ALL the shows you listed were hits of their time and none were mediocre television shows to just fill a time slot.
Bewitched, Land of the Lost, Beverly Hillbillies, Dukes of Hazzard, Starsky and Hutch, Scooby Doo, Flintstones were all successful shows that, like My Favorite Martian, were given crap a$$ movies. The first Addams Family was... "ok" but the 2nd sucked ass.

 

[karamazov80]

I'm with morphosis on the whole Nightmare issue. In some movies, directors have more or less influence over the final product (so Hitchcock or Spielberg obviously had/have near absolute control over their product 9/10 times while guy directing a Disney cartoon may have much less autonomy), and Selick's stamp is no doubt firmly placed on Nightmare. But it is Burton's idea, characters, and vision. He gets credit where it succeeds, and deserves blame where it doesn't succeed more than anyone else involved in that project.

 

[occulum]

I hate remakes too .... I also think Sideshow should never remake a character they've done in the past for fear of it being inferior to the previous .... ....

.... oh wait ... maybe I shouldn't care if sideshow revisits a piece from the past cause they're may be a chance it will be better? ..... and I also may just survive a happy person even if it is worse than the original release because I still have that one to enjoy and don't need to spend $$ on the newer version .....
.... AND I can start threads on message boards complaining about said revisited statues I don't care for rather than spend that same time enjoying the ones I do like

 

[Ironman1188]

Oops, I guess the "open forum" police have arrived to shut down any thread they don't like.

 

[occulum]

I just enjoy complaining about complainers ... don't complain ....

 

[steveo]

I have to say that it's just not Burton and Ferrell. Pretty much all of Hollywood sucks anymore as they seem to not know how to make a memorable film that lasts longer than a few weeks. It's just become too big of a business with very little heart anymore.

With more people being able to make films, there just isn't that much "talent" anymore.

 

[K07]

Burton's overrated and overdone. He needs to vary up his style more often than he has and cast more people in his movies than Johnny Depp and Helena Boham Carter....

My all-time favorite Burton movie is and always will be Pee Wee's Big Adventure. My next favorites are probably Beetlejuice and Sleepy Hollow.

Will Ferrell can't be compared to Tim Burton. They have nothing to do with eachother. His humor's not for everyone. Personally, I loved him in SNL's Celebrity Jeopardy, Anchorman, and Elf. So even though I don't care for his other stuff, I wouldn't say he sucks.

But I completely understand where you're coming from. The fact that they take these old shows that have real fans and make a mockery out of them is stupid...

 

[Kuzeh]

I didn't mention Alice as a remake. However, whether based on a book or not POTA and Charlie ARE remakes.

Actually Charlie and the Chocolate Factory IS closer to the book than the original movie... so no, it's not a remake... it even incorporates elements from the book sequel...

 

[crows]

Actually Charlie and the Chocolate Factory IS closer to the book than the original movie... so no, it's not a remake... it even incorporates elements from the book sequel...

yeah but Charlie had some of the worst music I film has ever had, I know they wouldn't do the same songs of the oompa loompas from the old movie, but WTF? seriously, some of the songs in the new movie didn't even make sense, like, they were weird, Can you recall any songs that catch your attention? there were no memorable songs, I think that has to be one of the worst scores of a movie...

 

[agen_kolar]

I do absolutely hate Will Ferrell. Burton is meh.

 

[CelticPredator]

Will Ferrell did Anchorman. So hating him is not an option.

Burton did Pee-Wee's Big Adventure. So hating him is a crime.

 

[agen_kolar]

Will Ferrell did Anchorman. So hating him is not an option.

I can and have sat through Anchorman with a straight face. Will Ferrell is repulsively unamusing. Same goes for Adam Sandler and Jim Carrey. Robin Williams is up there, too.