Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier (SPOILERS)

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Absolutely, and I'm glad you touched on Brubaker's run. I've read some of it, but I really just want to sit down and read everything from Issue 1 to the very end, and so, with that in mind, I wasn't going to presume to attest to the legitimacy of it as an adaptation, when I, myself, wasn't familiar enough with it to draw those conclusions.:lol

The origin for the Winter Soldier is VERY similar to the comics, but with notable differences:

-Bucky is recovered by the Russians, not Zola or the Germans. Also, Bucky was thought to have "died" in the same plane explosion that Captain America was on. They had both successfully got on the drone plane to try and diffuse Zemo's bomb (in the comics, Cap is fighting Baron Zemo during WW2). Main difference was that Bucky was thought to have been dead for years and Cap is famously frozen in a block of ice. Turns out the freezing waters also preserved Bucky and he is recovered (with a missing arm) by a Russian sub. In the movies, he "dies" during the train mission and earlier than he does in the comics.

-The Soviet experiment on him, attach a metal arm and "program" him to be a Soviet assassin. He is constantly brought in and out of cryogenic status for missions by the Soviets, hence how he keeps his youth and only ages a few years when Cap meets him in modern times. This is hinted in the movie when they say he's been around like a "ghost" and has committed assassinations for the past 50 years or so. Also, the dossier photo that Cap sees at the end shows Bucky in a what appears to be a frozen state. In the comics, he even has a romantic relationship with the Black Widow (who later on hangs out with him a lot after he recovers his memories) and we see hints in the movie that Widow knows more about the Winter Soldier when she was a KGB agent.

-Winter Soldier becomes a "tool" of former Soviet General Aleksander Lukin (who is later possessed by the Red Skull) similar to the Soldier being a "tool" of Alexander Pierce in the movie.

-Cap uses the Cosmic cube (Tesseract in the movies) to help Bucky recover his memories.

-He basically looks the same in the comics, biggest difference is that instead of eye-goggles and mouthpiece mask, he just wears the standard mask around the eyes. This is probably why we saw Stan's Winter Soldier with the black make-up on in some filming shots as the look was intended to replicate the "eye-mask" from the comics. Obviously, it didn't make the final cut or the make-up was digitally edited out of most of the scenes.

So overall, the character translated VERY well from the comics and his origin is largely in-tact with mostly differences in the characters involved.
 
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The origin for the Winter Soldier is VERY similar to the comics, but with notable differences:

-Bucky is recovered by the Russians, not Zola or the Germans. Also, Bucky was thought to have "died" in the same plane explosion that Captain America was on. They had both successfully got on the drone plane to try and diffuse Zemo's bomb (in the comics, Cap is fighting Baron Zemo during WW2). Main difference was that Bucky was thought to have been dead for years and Cap is famously frozen in a block of ice. Turns out the freezing waters also preserved Bucky and he is recovered (with a missing arm) by a Russian sub. In the movies, he "dies" during the train mission and earlier than he does in the comics.

-The Soviet experiment on him, attach a metal arm and "program" him to be a Soviet assassin. He is constantly brought in and out of cryogenic status for missions by the Soviets, hence how he keeps his youth and only ages a few years when Cap meets him in modern times. This is hinted in the movie when they say he's been around like a "ghost" and has committed assassinations for the past 50 years or so. Also, the dossier photo that Cap sees at the end shows Bucky in a what appears to be a frozen state. In the comics, he even has a romantic relationship with the Black Widow (who later on hangs out with him a lot after he recovers his memories) and we see hints in the movie that Widow knows more about the Winter Soldier when she was a KGB agent.

-Winter Soldier becomes a "tool" of former Soviet General Aleksander Lukin (who is later possessed by the Red Skull) similar to the Soldier being a "tool" of Alexander Pierce in the movie.

-Cap uses the Cosmic cube (Tesseract in the movies) to help Bucky recover his memories.

-He basically looks the same in the comics, biggest difference is that instead of eye-goggles and mouthpiece mask, he just wears the standard mask around the eyes. This is probably why we saw Stan's Winter Soldier with the black make-up on in some filming shots as the look was intended to replicate the "eye-mask" from the comics. Obviously, it didn't make the final cut or the make-up was digitally edited out of most of the scenes.

So overall, the character translated VERY well from the comics and his origin is largely in-tact with mostly differences in the characters involved.

Yeah, I knew the majority of those details, with the exception of the use of the cube, but I definitely appreciate the comprehensive comparison. I still want to read it, though, so, the next time we hang out, I'll probably wind up asking my buddy if I can take his Cap volume one omnibus for a spin. I really loved Brubaker's Batman stuff, like Gotham Central, and The Man Who laughs, though, and I'm sure it's pretty transparent how I felt about the adaptation, so, I'm pretty sure I'm going to love it.:lol
 
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Falcon vs the Jet was a great scene :yess:
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Avengers is still tops for me for the sheer fun factor every time I watch it followed by IM then WS. Anyone got the art book yet?
 
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So I watch the film, and can anyone tell me why Hawkeye was not mentioned?
 
Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier

So I watch the film, and can anyone tell me why Hawkeye was not mentioned?

They could've probably said "Barton's on an op overseas" or something like that. Why does it change the experience one way or another? Sometimes if everyone knows something that's the least likely thing you are to hear. It's safe to assume cap, bw and fury could've all known Barton was indisposed so why even bring it up? Then it's just exposition.

You know.... Maybe it's the years of reading comics but I just don't get why some people just can't accept solo stories in a shared universe. It's such a stupid hang up. If it can be explained away "Thor is in vanaheim" "ironman is MIA" "hulk is in lock up" then what's the point in getting riled up. If One line of exposition is enough to solve your problem then it's not a problem worth having.

I have a feeling AoU will give us some insight on Barton's whereabouts.
 
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hawkeye is running amok in his birthday suit somewhere else like the professor. not sure if anybody wants to see that, good thing it did not make the cut.
 
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Future Predictions:

I think they are going to do the "Death of Captain America" storyline. They dropped several hints here and there and combining that with the backstage news we've heard, it seems evident.

-Agent Sharon Carter joining the CIA and making perfect shots. She is the one that "shoots" Cap in the story while under hypnosis. I really wish we saw more of her, but perhaps we will in the sequel as she is a VERY prominent supporting cast member/love interest in the Captain America comics.

-Brock Rumlow surviving, albeit scarred and wounded heavily. For those who don't know, though he is a SHIELD Strike team member in the movie, Brock Rumlow is actually a HUGE Captain America villain in the comics known as "Crossbones". He is a recurring associate of the Red Skull and is actually is the one who "kills" Cap in the storyline. He could very well adapt the "Crossbones" moniker in the next film and work alongside the villains to seek revenge.

-Arnim Zola surviving in computer form. Similar to the comics, Zola "lives" to the modern era from WW2 by putting his consciousness into a computer (robot body in the comics). If he survived, perhaps the Red Skull did in a way too?...At least his consciousness could...much like he had in the comics using the Cosmic cube. Red Skull is the main architect behind the "Death of Captain America" and he sort of "dissolves" in The First Avenger, leaving the potential that he isn't really dead and merely "ascended" in a way to pave for his potential return. Another potential villain is Skull's daughter, Sin.

-Sebastian Stan has revealed he has signed a 9-picture deal with Marvel studios and Chris Evans wraps up his Marvel contract (six pictures) after the Avengers 3 (with his last two FULL films before that being Avengers 2 & Captain America 3). This effectively lends HUGE implications that Marvel wants to go with the "Bucky Cap" route that they have in the comics. Assuming Rogers doesn't "bite the dust" in Cap 3 or Avengers 3, it's likely he could be paid nicely to have a large "supporting role" in Captain America 4 which might allow him to "pass the torch". Evans has also said he wants to "retire from acting and start directing" after he is done with his Marvel movies.

Thanks for explaining this! I've read some of the comics and some of the names sounded familiar to me in TWS, but this clarified it. :hi5:
 
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I thought VanCamp did a great job as Sharon Carter. She is right there with Coulson in that her loyalties to Cap never wavered. I am betting we may see her again in AoU and Cap 3 will open with Peggy's funeral and he sees here there and connects the dots. I wouldn't be surprised if they try a Winter Soldier stand alone to further develop the character. Cap did 10.5m on opening night so they have a LOT of momentum with this one and once word of mouth hits I think it will be huge. I also think that if Scarlett can carry Lucy, we will def see a BW film
 
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Saw this last night so I can finally visit this thread again after umpteen weeks, lol.

I loved it! Awesome from beginning to end! My new favorite superhero movie! They made a lifelong Cap fan very happy. :yess:

A few things that come to mind (spoilers obviously):

Good:

1. Stealth suit ROCKED. Loved that costume. And I love even more that they didn't even acknowledge that Whedon's crappy Avengers suit ever existed. Once he lost access to his stealth suit apparently his only option was to break into the Smithsonian. Sounded good to me. :) Plus it was a good psychological move in trying to spark Bucky's memory so it worked on a number of levels.

2. LOVED his new acrobatic fighting style. Highlights include the opening battle against the pirates and him taking down the rogue Quinjet singlehandedly.

3. Balance of fantasy and "realistic" action was very well done. They really blended the super-tech well with "Clear and Present Danger-esque" chases and intrigue.

4. Evans, Jackson, Scarlett, Mackie, and Stan were all in top form. Redford was strong as always.

5. I really liked how the Cap/WS relationship ended, or didn't end. I really expected one or both guys to go full emo at some point and they never did. Very cool. Bucky was badass all around and had some instantly iconic moments. Loved his two lines in subtitled Russian.

6. 3D was spectacular in a few scenes, particular when the Falcon was flying and all sequences featuring the helicarriers.

A couple criticisms:

1. Cap's "bravado" against Batroc seemed a little out of character during a mission with hostages involved. I can see Marty McFly or Martin Riggs being taunted into fighting on the bad guy's terms but not typically Cap. However, a good mano a mano fight is still cool so it's a minor criticism.

2. If they were going to include Crossbones I do wish they could have found an excuse to make him look more like how he appears in the comics. He was still a badass though.
 
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Loved the movie so much. I can't believe how much I love it. Makes me want all the Hot Toys. Refrain, Buffy, refrain.
 
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Poor poor WB/DC.

We are still TWO years and a month away before WB/DC next attempt at delivering this kind of quality on display with Cap 2.

We will be discussing Avengers 2 here a full year before Batman vs Batman.

Hell, we are getting a superhero racoon before their next movie.

Poor poor WB/DC.
 
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Loved the movie so much. I can't believe how much I love it. Makes me want all the Hot Toys. Refrain, Buffy, refrain.

WS specific sound cue was used to great effect.

Loved how the first big fight between WS and Cap had silent elements with just the sound of the wind, foot steps and knife / bullets hitting the shield.

One of the best choreographed battles ever placed on film.
 
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I'm sick of the team thing. I've been a DC Comics fan all my life, but, at this point, it isn't about beating Marvel, for me. I just want them to be a success and get their universe moving so I can have twice the number of awesome comic book movies to look forward to each year.
 
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I'm sick of the team thing. I've been a DC Comics fan all my life, but, at this point, it isn't about beating Marvel, for me. I just want them to be a success and get their universe moving so I can have twice the number of awesome comic book movies to look forward to each year.

Competition is human nature, coded into all our midichlorians.

Even the Terminator and Arnim Zola utilized it. :lol

Now change your name to capfan and be done with it. :lol
 
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The first big fight between Cap and WS was mind blowing with how the sound effects and music were presented.

Battle looked great even when Cap was in street clothes.

This movie rocks.

I know! Bucky's twisted theme music/sound effects were rad and he looked badass with all mask configurations (full, half, and none.) And normally I'm the first to roll my eyes when comic book heroes take off their masks or spend extended amounts of time in their street clothes because it usually smacks of actors mugging for the camera but not in this one. It felt natural throughout and Rogers was cool in and out of uniform.

Cap dropping his shield and allowing Bucky to pummel him repeatedly in the face with his metal arm was so poignant and brutal. Then that 3D effect of Cap falling followed by him being dragged to shore and Bucky walking off in slow motion.

One of the best ways to wrap up any showdown EVER.
 
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I know! Bucky's twisted theme music/sound effects were rad and he looked badass with all mask configurations (full, half, and none.) And normally I'm the first to roll my eyes when comic book heroes take off their masks or spend extended amounts of time in their street clothes but it usually smacks of actors mugging for the camera but not in this one. It felt natural throughout and Rogers was cool in and out of uniform.

Makes for an easy Halloween costume.

Jeans, T-Shirt, Sneakers, Light Jacket, Shield.

Bam, Captain America. :lol

SDCC will have everyone in their street clothes carrying a shield. :lol
 
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