Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier (SPOILERS)

[Anzik]

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Idunno. I really liked those scenes because we got to see more of her and more of Scarjo's acting, but I just don't feel that she's some "special" character and I don't think that's Scarjo's fault.

She just comes off as your average, run-of-the-mill secret agent because of the way she's written. There's nothing really unique about her personality.

Maybe Scarjo is partially to blame for this, but I think most of the fault lies with how the character has been written.

A couple things; the whole "Red in my ledger, and the convo with Hawkeye after he wakes up when they are discussing very dark times, she comes across as if she's talking about a particularly rough kegger she attended. When she is alone with Banner and he asks if they start spies that young and she says "I did", I'm sorry but that wasn't very believable. I remember Linda Fiorentino played a spy in a pretty forgettable movie called Gotcha but she did a convincing job. Lots of stuff under the surface. Scarlett, well the most she had under the surface was exposed on her hacked phone.

 

[The Entity]

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When has this thread become a "Let's bash The Avengers"-fest?

I expected to come in here seeing more news and /or pics of CA2...

 

[DiFabio]

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Avengers sucks now? No surprise there.

Poor Cap. I thought he was fine in Avengers. Only his suit sucked (sort of). Tough crowd.

 

[Biojex]

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Avengers was so last year.




Cap still remains my favorite character. Avengers included.

 

[Anzik]

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Avengers is a great movie. I felt SJ did a better job in Ironman 2. I think Evans is doing a good job as Cap. He was superb in TFA and in TA he was a "fish out of water" but when crunch time came he got into the swing of things. I'm thinking in WS he will be adjusted and I have high hopes. I would like to think that things people see, the filmakers will also see and improve upon.

 

[Frank]

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Avengers sucks now? No surprise there.

Poor Cap. I thought he was fine in Avengers. Only his suit sucked (sort of). Tough crowd.

When has this thread become a "Let's bash The Avengers"-fest?

I expected to come in here seeing more news and /or pics of CA2...

Avengers doesn't suck, it is full of win. Certain characters got upgraded while others gave up ground that's all. After multiple viewings, Cap and BW suffer the most.

Evans' Cap lost alot of presence in Avengers. Some of that couldn't be helped due to rubbing shoulders with much more powerful characters. However, the costume was underwhelming as was his fairly tepid take on the "fish out of water" theme. Evans can do tenacious, but he needs to get more imposing somehow. Maybe he could stand to be a little more pumped up? If the gravitas ain't there, he's gonna look like a scrappy terrier instead of a rottweiler.

ScarJo will never be believable as BW but at least she looked good.

 

[ShadowX81]

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Evans can do tenacious, but he needs to get more imposing somehow. Maybe he could stand to be a little more pumped up? If the gravitas ain't there, he's gonna look like a scrappy terrier instead of a Rottweiler.

The guy is already gigantic. Arguably just as pumped as Thor. I don't think adding muscle mass will help at all.

But he was still worlds better than Black Widow. Honestly most of the time I felt that she was there just so he team could have a girl on it.

I know joss loves his female characters, but sometimes he tries to force the audience to think that one is interesting when there really isn't much there. Look at Dollhouse. Great show; but the main character Echo was boring as hell. Yet Joss still wrote the series as if she were the most interesting person in the world, and even the most mundane moments in her life were fascinating.

Im already wincing at the thought of how much screen time Black Widow is going to eat up in CA2.

 

[Biojex]

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I liked that Cap got "down and dirty" and did the majority of civilian saving in the film. It really exemplified him being an "of the people" type hero.

 

[karamazov80]

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The guy is already gigantic. Arguably just as pumped as Thor. I don't think adding muscle mass will help at all.

But he was still worlds better than Black Widow. Honestly most of the time I felt that she was there just so he team could have a girl on it.

I know joss loves his female characters, but sometimes he tries to force the audience to think that one is interesting when there really isn't much there. Look at Dollhouse. Great show; but the main character Echo was boring as hell. Yet Joss still wrote the series as if she were the most interesting person in the world, and even the most mundane moments in her life were fascinating.

Im already wincing at the thought of how much screen time Black Widow is going to eat up in CA2.

I think you're hitting the nail on the head as to how Widow was used in Avengers. Except in this case, Whedon didn't even have the choice of which actress to use since she was already cast. But he still wanted her portrayed in a certain way and given a certain level of attention.

 

[Frank]

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The guy is already gigantic. Arguably just as pumped as Thor. I don't think adding muscle mass will help at all.

But he was still worlds better than Black Widow. Honestly most of the time I felt that she was there just so he team could have a girl on it.

I know joss loves his female characters, but sometimes he tries to force the audience to think that one is interesting when there really isn't much there. Look at Dollhouse. Great show; but the main character Echo was boring as hell. Yet Joss still wrote the series as if she were the most interesting person in the world, and even the most mundane moments in her life were fascinating.

Im already wincing at the thought of how much screen time Black Widow is going to eat up in CA2.

He is a much better actor. ScarJo can't even shiver convincingly. Hopefully now that we're past the initial "fish out of water" crap, Evans will return to form in his own movie once again. If not and he's settled into bad habits, it might be time for him to go.

I liked that Cap got "down and dirty" and did the majority of civilian saving in the film. It really exemplified him being an "of the people" type hero.

It felt tacked on at times (see the waitress in dis dress) but was probably the only way to compensate for him not being able to keep up with the others in kill count. The alien invaders suddenly taking hostages was kind of funny, especially since they lacked any ability to negotiate. It gave him something to do on the ground but I'd like to see him at the front of the action next time.

I'm not expecting Thor 2 or IM3 to rock my world. They don't have much to prove, though Thor could use another helmet. Cap 2 on the other hand really needs to bring it! I'm hoping Cap wins the most improved award by the time Avengers 2 comes up.

It's too bad Scarlett showed up for this because the Vancamp is going to steal it from her.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

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The guy is already gigantic. Arguably just as pumped as Thor. I don't think adding muscle mass will help at all.

But he was still worlds better than Black Widow. Honestly most of the time I felt that she was there just so he team could have a girl on it.

I know joss loves his female characters, but sometimes he tries to force the audience to think that one is interesting when there really isn't much there. Look at Dollhouse. Great show; but the main character Echo was boring as hell. Yet Joss still wrote the series as if she were the most interesting person in the world, and even the most mundane moments in her life were fascinating.

Im already wincing at the thought of how much screen time Black Widow is going to eat up in CA2.

Scenes of her tearing up in front of Loki or crying after Hulk were supposed to show how the work affects the non-superhuman people emotionally but it just came across flatly. later she lept off the chitauri jetski going 200mph and landed safely without so much as a broken toe

 

[jye4ever]

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Super soldier serum is inside her.

 

[Biojex]

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It felt tacked on at times (see the waitress in dis dress) but was probably the only way to compensate for him not being able to keep up with the others in kill count. The alien invaders suddenly taking hostages was kind of funny, especially since they lacked any ability to negotiate. It gave him something to do on the ground but I'd like to see him at the front of the action next time.

That wasn't a hostage situation. It was rounding them up for execution. There was a deleted scene released recently that expanded on this particular scene. It showed the blonde waitress, in said situation noticing ashes at her feet with a few human remains (a pair of glasses and a watch) within, implying that they were rounded up in there and then vaporized.

Discounting the deleted scene, even the final cut implies this. You see a Chitauri preparing that explosive to throw in before Cap bursts and breaks it up.

To an extent, I agree with your other points. Some portions seemed to be included, merely to give him something to do. I felt this notion applied more to BW and Hawkeye though. Cap was there doing his thing, and those two were tagging along.

 

[jye4ever]

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What did his helmet offer him in the movie?

Not once did it provide any protection.

He even survived an explosion and being blasted out of a window w/o that dorky thing on his head.

 

[karamazov80]

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What did his helmet offer him in the movie?

Style, class, and the respect of his peers and rivals.

 

[Biojex]

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What did his helmet offer him in the movie?

Not once did it provide any protection.

He even survived an explosion and being blasted out of a window w/o that dorky thing on his head.

It preserved his hair nicely and covered his ears from those mean old explosions.

 

[jye4ever]

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Style, class, and the respect of his peers and rivals.

Looking like an Egg gives you all that.

I love the outfit, yeah he's a tad too skinny and pale, but overall great outfit.

But egghead, oh hell no.

 

[Frank]

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That wasn't a hostage situation. It was rounding them up for execution. There was a deleted scene released recently that expanded on this particular scene. It showed the blonde waitress, in said situation noticing ashes at her feet with a few human remains (a pair of glasses and a watch) within, implying that they were rounded up in there and then vaporized.

The energy it takes to round up unarmed creatures far exceeds what they would need to snap a neck or pull a trigger. Then again, their aim turns to **** on anything that isn't a stationary Hulk or Iron Man on the ground. The only thing that really makes any sense for me is trying to capture the heroes' attention by making a scene in a controlled area.

As for reusing that room for group killings, wouldn't a previous grenade blast render it completely unusable to begin with? It's all movie logic lol. At any rate it was put there to give Cap a chance to strut. Just ever so slightly spoonfed but it worked.

 

[Biojex]

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The energy it takes to round up unarmed creatures far exceeds what they would need to snap a neck or pull a trigger. Then again, their aim turns to **** on anything that isn't a stationary Hulk or Iron Man on the ground. The only thing that really makes any sense for me is trying to capture the heroes' attention by making a scene in a controlled area.

As for reusing that room for group killings, wouldn't a previous grenade blast render it completely unusable to begin with? It's all movie logic lol. At any rate it was put there to give Cap a chance to strut. Just ever so slightly spoonfed but it worked.

Well obviously I know nothing about their technology, but considering ammo consumption, it's more logical to use one grenade per big group of hostages, then snapping each ones neck or shooting them down. As far as your other point, I can't account for the collateral damage on their explosives.... So I dunno Now I'm going to stop before I get to analytical on what was basically, an action sequence to show a hero being heroic. All I know, is it made me go "yay cap" and that I liked the Captain Ball he tucked into to avoid dying from the explosion

 

[karamazov80]

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I couldn't enjoy the scene due to all the illogical actions of the mutant aliens as they were fighting the team of science heroes and mythological gods. You know, the ones who came through the worm hole in space created by the other Norse god working in concert with a nearly omnipotent, Death worshipping alien.

It goes without saying that the behavior of those aliens is really the only thing that I couldn't buy into in this film.