Captain America 4 Brave New World - February 14, 2025

[davejames]

Hmm, audience score is surprisingly pretty high at 81%. And I noticed everyone under John Campea's review said they really liked it, and those guys usually hate everything Disney.

 

[Khev]

It's under two hours so it won't drag, and if what crows is saying about it being inoffensive but having a few good action scenes then on that alone I can see why people would come out feeling they got their money's worth.

crows how much "white guilt" is the audience meant to feel by what the characters say in the movie? Any at all?

 

[crows]

It's under two hours so it won't drag, and if what crows is saying about it being inoffensive but having a few good action scenes then on that alone I can see why people would come out feeling they got their money's worth.

crows how much "white guilt" is the audience meant to feel by what the characters say in the movie? Any at all?

there were a few couple of scenes that question Sam's loyalties. but it's more anti government. kind of anti president ( Harrison Ford) . people questioning why you would trust them. there are a couple of times where it could be questioning American culture, the law,

but it's not as bad as the falcon tv show. the entire thing is about abuse of power.
( you could be made feel guilty if you are supportive of the government or the president in general. )

a review I saw compared it to the tom clancy books and I agree.

 

[YoNoSe]

The only thing I didn't care for was Falcon 2's attempts at comic relief. And once they introduced the female secret service agent I wished she was Cap's sidekick and disliked Falcon Deuce even more. Also it was nice seeing Harrison Ford playing a regular old man for most of the movie.

 

[jye4ever]

Sounds like anti current administration propaganda to me.

 

[jye4ever]

ok it's over.
it makes sense why there's only 8 minutes of red hulk I the movie, within the context of the story. it made sense

this movie is very straightforward. no big twists. no big reveals. you can guess what's going to happen at every turn. It was obvious what was going on.
this feels like just a spy - secret service movie. not a superhero movie. barely feels like it's a marvel movie. it's like a more boring version of winter soldier without the iconic characters or the charisma. and less energy.

that's the problem when you make your superheroes soldiers or agents, it loses the superhero touch. like the Black widow movie, exactly the same thing. it becomes a regular boring spy movie.

the action with Mackie is really really good. Excellent use of the wings. Excellent flying.
the other new guy is really good too. really fun scenes together.

could be called by the numbers, but it's not bad. maybe just dull. ( excellent action scenes but predictable plot, boring acting, generic dialogue)

it wouldn't have mattered if bucky was captain America since he's not that charismatic either.

Lets count the words in bold shall we

 

[crows]

Lets count the words in bold shall we

I know BUT .....
the action was great. it's really good flying scenes, really creative use of his wings. it's the best action scenes Sam has had.

yeah when I say dull and boring and less energy, it's compared to the rest of marvel. the acting is really mellow. the plot is simple. it's even more slower than the falcon show.

 

[jye4ever]

I just want to see

Spoiler

Betsy Ross

again.

I finished my rewatch of DD Seasons 1/2/3 and Punisher S1, I might go out for a cask ale then go watch this generic dull boring movie lol

 

[jye4ever]

I know BUT .....
the action was great. it's really good flying scenes, really creative use of his wings. it's the best action scenes Sam has had.

yeah when I say dull and boring and less energy, it's compared to the rest of marvel. the acting is really mellow. the plot is simple. it's even more slower than the falcon show.

Jesus crows you are savage lol

 

[jye4ever]

i just wish I could go have a beer with my fellow freaks is what I really want

Man just to hang out with everyone at a bar would be awesome.

 

[crows]

Jesus crows you are savage lol

well you got a lot of scenes of Sam captain talking to president Harrison Ford and then you have some detective scenes from Sam captain and Joaquin falcon.
and then some action stuff happens but you go back to more detective stuff. then more government president stuff.
president is having some problems and there's some diplomatic trouble trouble.

so it's not as fast paced as avengers or as quipy as iron Man. that's what I mean.

 

[crows]

I will say Harrison Ford completely ruined the part for me. yeah I said it. I know they had to change actors because of the passing of William hurt, but it didn't feel like the same character at all. it was just Harrison Ford being Harrison Ford. it's not about his age either, it was just miscast.

 

[batfan08]

No he didn't.

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Plus why do you think Disney would even care about that. They hate America so in their minds someone who represents the country probably would be a villain anyway.

Idk. I feel like the fact that some folks would prefer a Russian sleeper agent be the face of our most patriotic superhero over a black guy speaks volumes…

 

[crows]

Idk. I feel like the fact that some folks would prefer a Russian sleeper agent be the face of our most patriotic superhero over a black guy speaks volumes…

and a stone cold MURDERER at that

 

[ZE_501]

and a stone cold MURDERER at that

It really doesn't make sense to me. I can understand if people feel like Mackie lacks gravitas or whatever ... TFaWS was trash and I can't figure out if it was the writing alone or the script plus Mackie ... but MCU Bucky is a problematic character. Mind-controlled or not, lots of blood on his hands plus he's this brooding, shadowy assassin.

I'm not sure either of them should be Cap but between the two of them Mackie/Falcon is the obvious choice. I just think he needed to take the Super Soldier serum.

Could've been part of his character arc, trying to do it without, fearing he lacked the heart that's apparently necessary for it not to create a monster ... and turning out worthy in the end.

 

[crows]

It really doesn't make sense to me. I can understand if people feel like Mackie lacks gravitas or whatever ... TFaWS was trash and I can't figure out if it was the writing alone or the script plus Mackie ... but MCU Bucky is a problematic character. Mind-controlled or not, lots of blood on his hands plus he's this brooding, shadowy assassin.

I'm not sure either of them should be Cap but between the two of them Mackie/Falcon is the obvious choice. I just think he needed to take the Super Soldier serum.

Could've been part of his character arc, trying to do it without, fearing he lacked the heart that's apparently necessary for it not to create a monster ... and turning out worthy in the end.

Sam needed to take the serum and give up the wings. I don't like that he still has them because he will never fully stop being falcon AND he will never truly be captain. he's just in between.
all the flight scenes needed to be given to Joaquin. and Sam just not fly

I think that's why people can't accept him as captain. it could be as simple as how the wings and lack of serum keeps him from fully becoming captain b

 

[Khev]

Idk. I feel like the fact that some folks would prefer a Russian sleeper agent be the face of our most patriotic superhero over a black guy speaks volumes…

Such a sweeping and blatant mischaracterization of people's preferences is a huge reason you guys got spanked on election day so by all means keep it up!

 

[Khev]

It really doesn't make sense to me. I can understand if people feel like Mackie lacks gravitas or whatever ... TFaWS was trash and I can't figure out if it was the writing alone or the script plus Mackie ... but MCU Bucky is a problematic character. Mind-controlled or not, lots of blood on his hands plus he's this brooding, shadowy assassin.

I'm not sure either of them should be Cap but between the two of them Mackie/Falcon is the obvious choice. I just think he needed to take the Super Soldier serum.

Could've been part of his character arc, trying to do it without, fearing he lacked the heart that's apparently necessary for it not to create a monster ... and turning out worthy in the end.

Part of the point of having *anyone* put on the Cap suit is to show that no one fills the shoes like Steve. That's why you have these great storylines like with John Walker in the 80's. So leaning into it with the John Walkers and the Bucky's is part of the fun. Having him be a "nice" guy (black or otherwise) who does just as good a job is a disservice to Steve but then the flip side of having a nice guy be Cap and fail to live up to Steve, *especially* if he's black, is that then it comes across as some bigoted race superiority thing. Best not to deal with any of that for obvious reasons and just let the beloved character be the character that he was originally created to be.

 

[jye4ever]

Such a sweeping and blatant mischaracterization of people's preferences is a huge reason you guys got spanked on election day so by all means keep it up!

Even if he was talking about Bucky, yes the guy was an assassin who was brainwashed.

But is he going to live his whole life not being trusted!

If so, that is so ridiculous, especially after he put his life on the line fighting the forces of Thanos!

How much more does he have to give!

Give him the shield he earned it and I would say even more so than Falcon who sure also fought against Thanos BUT Bucky had to overcome way more adversity than Falcon!

 

[Khev]

Even if he was talking about Bucky, yes the guy was an assassin who was brainwashed.

But is he going to live his whole life being not trusted!

If so, that is so ridiculous, especially after he put his life on the line fighting the forces of Thanos!

How much more dos he have to give!

Give him the shield he earned it and I would say even more so than Falcon who sure also fought against Thanos BUT Bucky had to overcome way more adversity than Falcon!

Totally! And think how awesome it could have been to have Bucky take the shield, do all these amazing public things, and then some villain outs him as being this mind-controlled assassin. Then having to overcome a fall from grace that wasn't his fault while also facing whatever surface threat needed to be dealt with could have lead to such awesome stories.