Captain America 4 Brave New World - February 14, 2025

[crows]

And they're right.

I remember in the 80's when that whole "magical little ET friend" stuff was so over yet they kept making that crap for years right up until 'Batteries Not Included'. I feel like "the Marvel style" is in that state right now. So tired, so over...

 

[MeatHookGekko]

It looks so fake and unobtainable. It completely takes me out of the experience.

"What are we going to used all this folded baloney for?.....are you new to the world of "Dinner On A Board"?....Here's some folded baloney...add a little grapes...little pistachios...That's a lovely evening..."


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Look how committed the QVC lady is with her baloney. But the Big Mouse can't make a 500 million dollar film with that same kind of passion? What does that tell you?

 

[chrisstbh]

They had to plaster Red Hulk all over the marketing because they had nothing else to sell the movie on.

Like seriously what else is there in this movie? Captain Israel? Falcon Jr?

 

[ironwez20]

Deadpool and wolverine is also very badly written. awful plot. everyone was just happy about the jokes and cameos and I understand that people wanted to have a good time,
but it's awful writing. take Deadpool away and take away the jokes and take away the cameos and you have an awful story. it's full of plot holes.

there hasn't been a great marvel recently.

Don’t care crows. It’s got wolverine and blade in it.

 

[ironwez20]

And they're right.

I remember in the 80's when that whole "magical little ET friend" stuff was so over yet they kept making that crap for years right up until 'Batteries Not Included'. I feel like "the Marvel style" is in that state right now. So tired, so over...

Well for them yes. But at that time I was over it and knew what marvel was doing. The whole churn crap out they’ll watch it anyway made me catch on easily with that stupid show

 

[crows]

Don’t care crows. It’s got wolverine and blade in it.

and that's why they are bad. that's why,
" don't care it has Spider-Man on it" you'll get what you deserve.... for the next Spidey movie

 

[MeatHookGekko]

It's under two hours so it won't drag....

Less than 40 percent of the audience share for CA4 are women. Less than 30 percent from the tweens to 29 age range. I'd wager rough projections are close to 50 percent of the total audience is over the age of 45. Harrison Ford will give the film a little push with older demos, that's a given and the numbers show that, but that group tends to trickle across time. Most of the P&A budget is designed to support the film right at release.

There's a reason Chalamet and Zendaya were cast in Dune and given such prominent placement in the overall marketing. Even if , IMHO, many felt they were ultimately miscast.

The problem isn't making the film shorter, the problem is for this kind of financial outlay, they were better off making two Captain America 4 films. Once you had to truncate out Shira Hass/Sabra ( Israel/Palestine conflict considerations), removing Kang ( Majors scandal and ousting) and the politics angle ( need to shift out of the authoritarian "strongman" themes), what you have left are a collection of scenes. So work with that.

Eight half hour stories revolving around CA, Hulk and Ross would be easier to manage. Easier to get stunt casting and one off cameos. Easier on the editing team. Give Carl Lumbly and the Bradley/serum testing scandal it's own half hour block. Give him closure. If Liv Tyler shows up, give her her own half hour block, from the outside perspective of her fathers career and her relationship with Hulk. Even get voice overs from Evans and ScarJo to show the mission where Wilson breaks into the facility to get his flight suit during TWS. You aren't going to make another Eternals film, so give that cast a half hour to close out their storyline too.

If you don't have a film, then you have content. Two pieces of content are better for your bottom line than one of them. You make two distinct films, have it randomized which an audience will see, and allow them to view the other film via a voucher code through the Disney online platform.

Younger demographics are more likely to engage in shorter stories. You can't get back to the zeitgeist of Avengers Endgame, but you can tap into much of what makes "What If?" works and "Love, Death And Robots" work.

 

[ironwez20]

I don't know if they're smart enough to dial it down. He's alone and unknown now so at least there's an opportunity there.

Can you imagine a street level Spidey series, like we got for Daredevil? But that definitely won't happen.

They seem to want to go in the direction of a Spider-Man that is mature. In the the new Spider-Man show there is swearing and blood. Something that hasn’t been done in spidey show. Not even mtv era.

 

[ironwez20]

and that's why they are bad. that's why,
" don't care it has Spider-Man on it" you'll get what you deserve.... for the next Spidey movie

No I hold Spider-Man to a higher standard

 

[crows]

No I hold Spider-Man to a higher standard

but you just said "it's got wolverine and blade so I don't care"
that's how these writers are operating. that's literally how wolverine and Deadpool was written " we just fill the movie with jokes and cameos"
the new Spider-Man is rumored to bring back all 3 of them again. which means another end of the world plot. why else would you need all 3 spider men back?

there's no way in hell that the next spiderman is a smaller movie.

 

[The Buffinator]

Deadpool and wolverine is also very badly written. awful plot. everyone was just happy about the jokes and cameos and I understand that people wanted to have a good time,
but it's awful writing. take Deadpool away and take away the jokes and take away the cameos and you have an awful story. it's full of plot holes.

there hasn't been a great marvel recently.

Counterpoint: Take away the title character from ANY superhero movie and you'll have an awful story. Plus no one goes to see a Deadpool movie for the plot. I get the point you're trying to make but that was a TERRIBLE example lol...

 

[jye4ever]

Counterpoint: Take away the title character from ANY superhero movie and you'll have an awful story. Plus no one goes to see a Deadpool movie for the plot. I get the point you're trying to make but that was a TERRIBLE example lol...

You’re not wrong, I watched Gone with the Wind without the Wind and it was horrible.

 

[jye4ever]

This movie just gets worse and worse…

 

[crows]

Counterpoint: Take away the title character from ANY superhero movie and you'll have an awful story. Plus no one goes to see a Deadpool movie for the plot. I get the point you're trying to make but that was a TERRIBLE example lol...

not really because a real life example of this is the dark knight and also the James Bond movie Skyfall which is basically the dark knight without batman and it works well.

are you saying that the dark knight without batman is an awful story?

but the difference is that wolverine and Deadpool has an awful plot full of plot holes and inconsistencies.

 

[The Buffinator]

Sounds a bit like WB spoiling Wonder Woman's appearance in Batman V Superman. So unnecessary. People would have shown up just to see Batman and Superman interact for the first time and then been absolutely blown away when she appeared in full costume to deflect Doomsday's blast.

It was much worse than spoiling WW's appearance because her being there wasn't central to the plot. If we didn't know beforehand that Ross would eventually turn into Red Hulk we would have been trying to figure things out right along with Sam and Joaquin. The movie actually had a well constructed mystery at its core that they decided to ruin in the marketing.

Marvel saw what they had and went into "get butts into seats mode" with the Hulk marketing.

That definitely seems to be the case but they could spoiled Red Hulk's appearance without letting us know that he was Ross and spoiling the climax of the movie. Just a few snippets of his fight with Sam would have done the trick, without showing his face, the White House or him at a press conference in the frickin' Rose Garden for Chrissakes! They could have also cast someone in another role and misdirected us into thinking he was playing the Red Hulk character. I've never read any Red Hulk comics so if he's always been Ross in those then I admit that last idea wouldn't fool everyone, but it would have indicated they cared a bit about protecting the integrity of the story.

 

[The Buffinator]

not really because a real life example of this is the dark knight and also the James Bond movie Skyfall which is basically the dark knight without batman and it works well.

are you saying that the dark knight without batman is an awful story?

but the difference is that wolverine and Deadpool has an awful plot full of plot holes and inconsistencies.

No, I was being snarky and saying it would have been a non-movie, as you can't have a Batman movie without Batman. You said take Deadpool out of the Deadpool movie (OK, technically Deadpool & Wolverine). It's more like removing Jason Bourne from the movie Jason Bourne and not replacing him with another character. You're left with no movie at all.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Captain America: So Brave

 

[crows]

No, I was being snarky and saying it would have been a non-movie, as you can't have a Batman movie without Batman. You said take Deadpool out of the Deadpool movie (OK, technically Deadpool & Wolverine). It's more like removing Jason Bourne from the movie Jason Bourne and not replacing him with another character. You're left with no movie at all.

but we did, it's called Skyfall.
and The Batman without batman is called SEVEN.
and joker without the joker is called taxi driver.


and wolverine Deadpool is the equivalent of SCARY MOVIE.
plot not needed. plot not necessary.
it's just "EPIC MOVIE" but with action.

 

[The Buffinator]

but we did, it's called Skyfall.
and The Batman without batman is called SEVEN.
and joker without the joker is called taxi driver.


and wolverine Deadpool is the equivalent of SCARY MOVIE.
plot not needed. plot not necessary.
it's just "EPIC MOVIE" but with action.

It's like we're on two completely different wavelengths here lol. Let me put it another way: Take the script for Deadpool & Wolverine, delete every scene involving / line uttered by Deadpool and go and try to shoot the movie without adding anything else. I was equating your "take Deadpool out of the Deadpool movie" comment to THAT. Again, I was being snarky.

 

[crows]

It's like we're on two completely different wavelengths here lol. Let me put it another way: Take the script for Deadpool & Wolverine, delete every scene involving / line uttered by Deadpool and go and try to shoot the movie without adding anything else. I was equating your "take Deadpool out of the Deadpool movie" comment to THAT. Again, I was being snarky.

yeah. thank you for proving my point.
it's an awful superhero movie with an awful story.

if you wanted to write a "book report" style paper on that movie, focusing only on the story, you couldn't. exactly

that's what I was replying to ironwez about. he said that most marvel movies didn't have good stores except Deadpool wolverine.
and you just proved what I was saying.
it would be like trying to describe the plot of epic movie. you can't