Captain America 4 Brave New World - February 14, 2025

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i don't think so.
red hulk was underwhelming and underused.
the fight was cool but you felt tired by the time it happens,
the political stuff in the movie was tiring.

the red hulk scene wasn't epic or high energy or anything. you're really tired of the movie by the time it comes.
You were tired by the time RH showed up because you knew from the start it was going to happen - i.e., the intrigue was completely ruined. Had they kept that under wraps I think it would have played differently. I’m not saying it would have made this a classic or anything but it at least would have been a quasi-political action thriller like they had been advertising.
 
You were tired by the time RH showed up because you knew from the start it was going to happen - i.e., the intrigue was completely ruined. Had they kept that under wraps I think it would have played differently. I’m not saying it would have made this a classic or anything but it at least would have been a quasi-political action thriller like they had been advertising.
the political stuff with Japan was just boring I think. the villain was boring. I'm not sure it would make much difference
 
Here is Buff trying to convince crows that the political intrigue part of the movie was good enough…

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Saw the film on Friday. I agree with Emergency Awesome on YT who describes it as “aggressively fine.” I actually thought Ford was the strongest part of the movie. He was definitely way better in this than Dial of Destiny, and also the only character in the film who had any sort of character arc whatsoever.

I like Mackie as an actor, but going back to the ending of Endgame, it really was a big fumble to make him the new Cap over Bucky. For one, they kind of treat it like Steve was closer to Sam than Bucky (his lifelong childhood friend) by the events of Endgame, which I never bought at all. Besides that, there’s just really nothing interesting about Sam Wilson’s character or background, nor any real conflict in his life that would make for an interesting film. Bucky, on the other hand, would have made for a much more interesting main character to follow—trying to redeem himself and atone for his past actions by trying to do good as Cap, and hell, think about how easily they could mine having interesting villains/characters show up from his past as Winter Soldier, characters that we haven’t seen or heard about yet as the audience. Instead, he’s just this boring dude that doesn’t really want conflict anymore, because the MCU writers decided he should feel that way. Bucky also had and continues to have no conflicted feelings about Steve wanting Sam to be the new Cap and his choice to carry on his legacy, because again the writers decided that Bucky should just be fine with it.

Also, why is it such a negative for Sam to take the super serum? Oh right, because the writers again arbitrarily decided that they wanted him to stay a normal dude for some reason. They even have Bucky show up for a scene to reiterate that Sam was right not to take the super serum, like it was some sort of moral test that he passed. But…why??? I guess so they can continue to make Sam’s core conflict be that he is a black man that is representing the USA, because him be a super soldier would take that focus away. And the systemic racism angle could be interesting if done well, but it’s just not very compelling and extremely surface level stuff here.

It also just stretches one’s suspension of belief that Sam could use the shield in the way he does. You’re telling me some random military dude could throw a shield hard enough and with enough precision to destroy multiple missiles that are rocketing through mid-air?
 
Also, why is it such a negative for Sam to take the super serum? Oh right, because the writers again arbitrarily decided that they wanted him to stay a normal dude for some reason. They even have Bucky show up for a scene to reiterate that Sam was right not to take the super serum, like it was some sort of moral test that he passed. But…why???

Don't drink the testosterone! Don't drink it!!!! It's evil!
 
It also just stretches one’s suspension of belief that Sam could use the shield in the way he does. You’re telling me some random military dude could throw a shield hard enough and with enough precision to destroy multiple missiles that are rocketing through mid-air?
Well to be fair, while he didn’t take the super serum he never said he wasn’t maxed out on PEDs lol…
 
Thought the movie was fine. But like most of the recent MCU, nothing I would watch again.

Captain America. Sam was fine this outing, but there is no clear identity. Most heroes have one thing that that makes them different from the rest. This one has the shield, the wings, the energy absorption that black panther has, and man-man appearing helmets, drones that do anything. He was just missing Jarvis. He gets out of every situation . . . just because. And taking on all these bad guys, taking damage, getting stabbed several times, as a regular human is hard to accept. A missile blowing up right next to him isn't going to be absorbed by those fancy wings, the displacement of air is going to send him tumbling. But eh, comic book movie. . . .

Sidewinder was a nice side character. Would have rather seen someone like him as the villain for this Captain America.

The sidekick was the typical giddy sidekick that gets ass kicked.

The scrawny Widow chick . . . ugggg. Enough of the gurl power era.

The Leader was weak. Clearly not all that intelligent if this Captain America can outsmart him.

Rulk. The reason to watch this movie. Was kewl seeing Ford hulk out. Rage for a little bit and then . . talked into human form. I'm not familiar with this character, but a quick google shows that Rulk is a much more violent in the comics. And he is the reason for the Thunderbolts. Is he going to be in that movie? If not, why call it Thunderbolts??? And that movie from the trailers looks awful.

But again, as a movie, it's 3.6 roentgen, not great, not terrible.
 
I'm rooting for Sam Wilson's Cap, but this ain't it.

The movie definitely feels rushed and compromised and never really gels together. Some of the dialogue scenes look like rehearsals filmed with cheaper cameras and lenses because that was all they had on hand. Directing feels sloppy. The movie only comes alive at the battle at the Celestial, which was probably part of the movie from day 1 and unaffected by resorts.

The MCU peaked in 2014 for me, so I can't join in with the hand-wringing of "post-Endgame" quality, but I think pivoting some their story to Disney+ TV shows has a lot to do with it. Even if the shows were great, it makes the whole thing feel less cohesive and sloppy, both behind the scenes and in the final products.
 
Saw the film on Friday. I agree with Emergency Awesome on YT who describes it as “aggressively fine.” I actually thought Ford was the strongest part of the movie. He was definitely way better in this than Dial of Destiny, and also the only character in the film who had any sort of character arc whatsoever.

I like Mackie as an actor, but going back to the ending of Endgame, it really was a big fumble to make him the new Cap over Bucky. For one, they kind of treat it like Steve was closer to Sam than Bucky (his lifelong childhood friend) by the events of Endgame, which I never bought at all. Besides that, there’s just really nothing interesting about Sam Wilson’s character or background, nor any real conflict in his life that would make for an interesting film. Bucky, on the other hand, would have made for a much more interesting main character to follow—trying to redeem himself and atone for his past actions by trying to do good as Cap, and hell, think about how easily they could mine having interesting villains/characters show up from his past as Winter Soldier, characters that we haven’t seen or heard about yet as the audience. Instead, he’s just this boring dude that doesn’t really want conflict anymore, because the MCU writers decided he should feel that way. Bucky also had and continues to have no conflicted feelings about Steve wanting Sam to be the new Cap and his choice to carry on his legacy, because again the writers decided that Bucky should just be fine with it.

Also, why is it such a negative for Sam to take the super serum? Oh right, because the writers again arbitrarily decided that they wanted him to stay a normal dude for some reason. They even have Bucky show up for a scene to reiterate that Sam was right not to take the super serum, like it was some sort of moral test that he passed. But…why??? I guess so they can continue to make Sam’s core conflict be that he is a black man that is representing the USA, because him be a super soldier would take that focus away. And the systemic racism angle could be interesting if done well, but it’s just not very compelling and extremely surface level stuff here.

It also just stretches one’s suspension of belief that Sam could use the shield in the way he does. You’re telling me some random military dude could throw a shield hard enough and with enough precision to destroy multiple missiles that are rocketing through mid-air?
Completely disagree about Ford’s performance. It felt like he slept walked through the film. People can have their opinions on The Dial of Destiny but Ford clearly was passionate about doing it and cares more about the Indiana Jones character.
 
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This movie was odd. For some reason it just felt so low energy. Partially due to Harrison Ford’s age showing, but also just generally. It felt very phoned in.

I like Anthony Mackie as Sam/Cap so no problems there. It just didn’t feel like a big MCU movie. It felt more like something that should have been on Disney+ but got a theatrical release.

Not awful and I’m not upset I saw it but just very mid tier. I’d say around three stars.
Actually I thought Ford was the only one who brought any energy to this movie at all. He seemed to be aware this was B-grade material and was doing his best to elevate it as much as possible. But alas...

This definitely feels like something intended for Disney+ though, and which was only reworked for theaters at the very last minute.
 
Completely disagree about Ford’s performance. It felt like he slept walked through the film. People can have their opinions on The Dial of Destiny but Ford clearly was passionate about doing it and cares more about the Indiana Jones character.
Not saying he slept walked through DOD, but I found his performance as Indy boring as hell in that movie. And I found myself far more engaged with his character here.
 
Does anyone remember what Ford's actually done? I think Witness was a big deal back in the day, a couple of great/fun Indiana Jones flicks ... the OT ... he's not terrible or anything but I feel like he's more of a name than an actor. Am I just suffering from amnesia? Someone correct me.
A whole bunch, he’s also terrific in Mosquito Coast, Shrinking, The Fugitive, Presumed Innocent, Working Girl, Frantic. I know he specialised in similar trying to prove himself innocent role for years (ie. Fugitive, PI and Frantic) but Mosquito Coast always stood out to me as an incredible performance and the only one where I really don’t see Ford at all I just see that deluded nutter.

Edit: And the movie. Didn’t love it didn’t hate it. It just is lol. The effects really stood out as bad and it didn’t even seem in focus a lot of the time (although that looked like the fault of the cinema and the forgot to take the 3D adaptor off the projector). I really enjoyed the whole Red Hulk end and seeing the President trash his own White House was a lot of fun. Mackie was Mackie and Ford was Ford but they were both watchable. I agree with the other person who liked Moff Gideon and I actually wanted more from that. The fights were brutal in as WS way. But the script was truly awful, a mess, all over the place, one minute there are random Eternals references, the next Ford is popping a gamma pill, then there is a gun fight, then Cap and Falcon fly through the air real fast, then it’s a bad sequel to one of the worst MCU films. The direction was very tv level. The cameos were nice to see but very slight. One of them seemed unnecessary and the other seemed very necessary but too little too late. Didn’t really except much from it so I wasn't disappointed lol.

Edit edit: And having a Widow in this seemed pointless. She was given nothing to do and I know I will get kicked for this but the actress is soooo tiny. I don’t think she could fight a paper bag convincingly. And don’t bother watching the tag it’s the usual pointless MCU ####.
 
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Just saw it with my wife. Here are my thoughts:
1) I liked Ford, I liked Mackie. I really enjoyed how they portrayed the Leader. The whole cast, I thought, was stellar.
2) It's nice to see them acknowledging The Eternals. I've seen people complain that the MCU wasn't acknowledging the giant new island popping up, and here it is, so....
3) I love seeing Isaiah Bradley used so extensively.
4) My non-comics fan wife says this was the first MCU film she's enjoyed so much for years. And she's usually a VERY harsh critic.
5) as for the Serum, I was never fond of Cap having superhuman strength. It takes literally all the suspense out of him fighting people like Batroc or Crossbones. That fight with Sidewinder was great specifically because Sam wasn't a superhuman.
 
Agree with most of what you said except
Just saw it with my wife. Here are my thoughts:
1) I liked Ford, I liked Mackie. I really enjoyed how they portrayed the Leader. The whole cast, I thought, was stellar.
Didn’t like The Leader. The character and his purpose didn’t seem particularly interesting (oooo mind control, that’s a new one) or thought through. And bringing back an uninteresting villain from Incredible Hulk. Wow. What creative decision making.
3) I love seeing Isaiah Bradley used so extensively.
I was happy to see Carl Lumbley used so much. Love him as an actor and love the character of Isaiah but he seemed to lack the depth he had in the show. I guess that’s how big time movies work.
 
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