Captain America 4 Brave New World - February 14, 2025

[tdk5]

Movie feels more suited for direct-to-dvd rather than one made for the big screen

No backstory to the supposed conflict whatsoever.. and that ending to the red hulk fight.. less said about it the better. I really believe all good parts of the movie were already shown in the trailer, so you wouldn't lose out just waiting to watch this film on disney+ later on. This film should be titled Incredible Hulk 1.5 rather than Captain America 4.

i think Feige should consider giving the Russo bros the reins over all future mcu movies from this point onwards.. seems like those guys are the only ones who know how to make a proper blockbuster.

 

[Khev]

No backstory to the supposed conflict whatsoever.. and that ending to the red hulk fight.. less said about it the better.

 

[crows]

I love the Falcon in his other movies, “ on your left” will forever be epic.

Why would Marvel hate the Falcon character so much that they felt the need to label him Captain America!

Just leave his accomplishments alone, just leave him as a Falcon.

But nope, we’re now going to have him lecture out ridiculous messaging disguised as Cap…AGAIN!

Ummm

because we still needed a captain America and falcon was the only really one available.
who else would take it? Hawkeye? starlord? Spider-Man?
"but what about bucky"
that was never going to happen. ever. he started as a villain. Disney wasn't er gonna let it happen.

I know that everyone complains about falcon being Captain , but they just needed to give him the super soldier serum and write a better movie.
because I can't see who else outside of bucky would have taken the title.

 

[Khev]

what about bucky"
that was never going to happen. ever. he started as a villain.

No he didn't.

Plus why do you think Disney would even care about that. They hate America so in their minds someone who represents the country probably would be a villain anyway.

 

[EVILFACE]

It is way too cold out for me to go see this crap.

There is no Chris Evans, Hemsworth or RDJ or Winter Soldier for white girls to go see this!

 

[crows]

No he didn't.

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Plus why do you think Disney would even care about that. They hate America so in their minds someone who represents the country probably would be a villain anyway.

but then why didn't they give it to bucky?
I always hear that it's because a guy like him that took out iron mans parents couldn't be captain America ( well that's what's speculated)

but why wouldn't they, I'm just keep wondering

 

[YoNoSe]

I don't think Bucky is Cap material due to his demeanor but the tiny bit of info we get about him in this movie seems way more out of character.

 

[Khev]

but then why didn't they give it to bucky?

Because in 2019 Disney/Marvel thought it was invincible and that they could pivot from good storytelling to the message.

That's why I'm not convinced that the Russo Brothers returning will be this big return to form. Most of what has plagued the MCU for the last half decade is fallout from stuff that *they* introduced.

 

[crows]

watching this movie right now,
and the opening action scene with falcon is really excellent. I'm not joking either, I'm being serious.
it might be the best action scene falcon ever had.

 

[tdk5]

Because in 2019 Disney/Marvel thought it was invincible and that they could pivot from good storytelling to the message.

That's why I'm not convinced that the Russo Brothers returning will be this big return to form. Most of what has plagued the MCU for the last half decade is fallout from stuff that *they* introduced.

At this point I won't be suprised if the next 2 Avengers films are turds either ..

because it seems the Russos have been kinda set up to fail by the absolute abomination that is phases 4 & 5. Not there's much material they can work with there..

Fingers crossed they can work their magic once (better yet, twice) again.

 

[Khev]

So Sam doesn't even have the best Falcon action scene anymore?

lol

 

[DParga21]

I don't mind making Falcon Cap. It opens a lot of good story possibilities.
I don't mind Cap being a "message" movie. Cap stories, more so than other comic films, are message stories.
I think the problem is not that it's a message movie. It's that it doesn't have the gumption to stick to a hard message. Much like Falcon and Winter Soldier.
Now I haven't seen the movie yet, but I plan to. And when I do, I will have a more complete analysis. Right now, I'm basing my thoughts on what I've read here as well as my critique of Falcon and Winter Soldier.
My concern is that in their effort to appeal to the broadest base possible, Disney has turned this into a film that could be called "The Generic Adventures of Captain America(Who Hapoens To Be Black)". That they are relying on Cap being Black to do the heavy allegorical lifting of the story, without putting it into the actual script.

 

[crows]

25 minutes in, second action scene is really good so far.

 

[davejames]

I don't mind making Falcon Cap. It opens a lot of good story possibilities.
I don't mind Cap being a "message" movie. Cap stories, more so than other comic films, are message stories.
I think the problem is not that it's a message movie. It's that it doesn't have the gumption to stick to a hard message. Much like Falcon and Winter Soldier.
Now I haven't seen the movie yet, but I plan to. And when I do, I will have a more complete analysis. Right now, I'm basing my thoughts on what I've read here as well as my critique of Falcon and Winter Soldier.
My concern is that in their effort to appeal to the broadest base possible, Disney has turned this into a film that could be called "The Generic Adventures of Captain America(Who Hapoens To Be Black)". That they are relying on Cap being Black to do the heavy allegorical lifting of the story, without putting it into the actual script.

Yeah I know most here were never onboard with this movie to begin with, but I still think Mackie deserved a proper chance to prove himself with a good story. And I can only imagine how much better it would be if the Russos had been involved, who actually know how to write his character and make a good espionage thriller.

 

[crows]

I'm halfway in. third action scene was short but good. movie hasn't been awful yet.

you could call the movie boring, maybe, but not bad. it's not cringe like the marvels or like she hulk.
this movie is very serious. no one liners, no funny moments. ( maybe could be called dull)

Mackie has been ok.

 

[ironwez20]

Stop texting during the damn movie!

 

[Khev]

Stop texting during the damn movie!

You think there's actually other people in the auditorium who are being distracted?

 

[crows]

ok it's over.
it makes sense why there's only 8 minutes of red hulk I the movie, within the context of the story. it made sense

this movie is very straightforward. no big twists. no big reveals. you can guess what's going to happen at every turn. It was obvious what was going on.
this feels like just a spy - secret service movie. not a superhero movie. barely feels like it's a marvel movie. it's like a more boring version of winter soldier without the iconic characters or the charisma. and less energy.

that's the problem when you make your superheroes soldiers or agents, it loses the superhero touch. like the Black widow movie, exactly the same thing. it becomes a regular boring spy movie.

the action with Mackie is really really good. Excellent use of the wings. Excellent flying.
the other new guy is really good too. really fun scenes together.

could be called by the numbers, but it's not bad. maybe just dull. ( excellent action scenes but predictable plot, boring acting, generic dialogue)

it wouldn't have mattered if bucky was captain America since he's not that charismatic either.

 

[Khev]

ok it's over.
it makes sense why there's only 8 minutes of red hulk I the movie, within the context of the story. it made sense

this movie is very straightforward. no big twists. no big reveals. you can guess what's going to happen at every turn. It was obvious what was going on.
this feels like just a spy - secret service movie. not a superhero movie. barely feels like it's a marvel movie. it's like a more boring version of winter soldier without the iconic characters or the charisma. and less energy.

that's the problem when you make your superheroes soldiers or agents, it loses the superhero touch. like the Black widow movie, exactly the same thing. it becomes a regular boring spy movie.

the action with Mackie is really really good. Excellent use of the wings. Excellent flying.
the other new guy is really good too. really fun scenes together.

could be called by the numbers, but it's not bad. maybe just dull. ( excellent action scenes but predictable plot, boring acting, generic dialogue)

it wouldn't have mattered if bucky was captain America since he's not that charismatic either.

So at the end of the day would you say it's basically another Black Widow? Not horrible but bland enough that you can "enjoy" one viewing and that's pretty much it?

 

[crows]

So at the end of the day would you say it's basically another Black Widow? Not horrible but bland enough that you can "enjoy" one viewing and that's pretty much it?

it's exactly. exactly exactly like Black widow.
the political stuff is not cringe, it feels like watching the TV show 24. it's like watching Jack Ryan, just a government story plot with Captain America.

and is not even that it's bland be cause the wing effects were great, the flying scenes were some of the best he has had.
I honestly really enjoyed the first half, it was going great,
second half slows down just like black widow. then you get the "big" ending,

without going into any spoilers, if you liked the falcon show and you like something like Jack Ryan, and you were okay with black widow, this is the same. just fully a government story.


there's nothing even to mock. theres nothing to make memes about, or ridicule. I can't think of any scene to make fun of. it's very serious. I can't think of one single funny moment. ( or even a funny line)

So Sam doesn't even have the best Falcon action scene anymore?

lol

oh and I meant to say, Mackie as the new captain had a fantastic first action scene, I said "falcon" out of habit.
it was really great.