Captain America 4 Brave New World - February 14, 2025

[crows]

well bucky is hotter so .....

 

[ZE_501]

Part of the point of having *anyone* put on the Cap suit is to show that no one fills the shoes like Steve. That's why you have these great storylines like with John Walker in the 80's. So leaning into it with the John Walkers and the Bucky's is part of the fun.

Not familiar with 80's Cap so I don't have an opinion on that.

Having him be a "nice" guy (black or otherwise) who does just as good a job is a disservice to Steve

This I can see.

but then the flip side of having a nice guy be Cap and fail to live up to Steve, *especially* if he's black, is that then it comes across as some bigoted race superiority thing. Best not to deal with any of that for obvious reasons and just let the beloved character be the character that he was originally created to be.

While I fully agree with the above statement just on the face of it, I don't think that's the only outcome available, hence my remarks about an arc for Falcon and his worthiness re: the serum.

 

[ZE_501]

Totally! And think how awesome it could have been to have Bucky take the shield, do all these amazing public things, and then some villain outs him as being this mind-controlled assassin. Then having to overcome a fall from grace that wasn't his fault while also facing whatever surface threat needed to be dealt with could have lead to such awesome stories.

This is an interesting story, no doubt about it ... but I guess I'm biased against 'redemption' arcs in general because of Child Murdering Anakin.

 

[ZE_501]

Even if he was talking about Bucky, yes the guy was an assassin who was brainwashed.

But is he going to live his whole life not being trusted!

Maybe. That's one aspect that adds pathos to the character, if you wanted to go that route.

 

[batfan08]

Such a sweeping and blatant mischaracterization of people's preferences is a huge reason you guys got spanked on election day so by all means keep it up!

Note how I went out of my way to say “some people.” If you assume that applies to you, it seems that my statements aren’t the issue and that, perhaps, a mirror is the appropriate place to direct your ire.

 

[Khev]

Note how I went out of my way to say “some people.” If you assume that applies to you, it seems that my statements aren’t the issue and that, perhaps, a mirror is the appropriate place to direct your ire.

Hey man just keep doubling down. It's such a good tactic.

 

[batfan08]

Hey man just keep doubling down. It's such a good tactic.

Same to you, bud.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Hey man just keep doubling down. It's such a good tactic.

 

[Khev]

Wor-Gar on a completely unrelated note...you're in the Los Angeles area right? How were you impacted by the fires?

 

[jye4ever]

Wor-Gar on a completely unrelated note...you're in the Los Angeles area right? How were you impacted by the fires?

Wor-Gar found out the hard way that in California they put out fires differently….

 

[loki2371]

I just finished watching the movie. It leaked online. Here's a link...



It was everything I thought it would be.

 

[meanstreak]

Seeing this with my nephews Sunday, hoping its at least enjoyable but looks like it may be crap.

I don't know why they dropped the ball so much with Cap after Endgame.

They should've just taken him, Bucky and Sharon and had a spy/action thriller show or movie with those three as the leads like Cap 2 The Winter Soldier. Instead they made Cap preachy, Bucky more bland than before and Sharon a criminal

 

[ironwez20]

I just finished watching the movie. It leaked online. Here's a link...



It was everything I thought it would be.

Oh Loki! You like drinker to

 

[DParga21]

Sounds like anti current administration propaganda to me.

If the president turning into a giant rage monster reminds you of the current administration, well...
Who am I to argue?

 

[loki2371]

Oh Loki! You like drinker to

Yeah, he can be kinda harsh at times. I decided to give it a 2nd watch. Here's a different link to try...



I think I liked it better the 2nd time watching...

 

[Wor-Gar]

Wor-Gar on a completely unrelated note...you're in the Los Angeles area right? How were you impacted by the fires?

Personally, I was unscathed, but I watched the fires burn the Palisades and portions of Brentwood for several days from my balcony and roof top.

A very good friend from high school days lost everything... another best friend of my wife's also lost her home. Both families got out unscathed, but are now in the twilight of despair and going through the process of insurance hell and governmental bureaucracy while they try to rebuy all their basic needs: towels, sheets, beds, sofas, tvs, kitchenware, clothes to wear, etc. I know of a lot more who also are homeless today. Many others are in various stages of seemingly constant evacuation (now for mudslides).

It's a horrible mess that has effected everyone here. Everyone knows someone that was displaced by the Palisades or Eaton fires. Rebuilding will take a decade at least; infrastructure is gone and they city will require new zoning laws so this doesn't happen again. I know most people are thinking about rebuilding but I believe it is too daunting; most people were underinsured and the cost to rebuild will be too great. Many people will move elsewhere and get on with their lives. Developers will gobble up the Palisades. They were sniffing around at all the soon-to-be-available properties literally during the fires.

I'm not sure we've ever had a decimated area in Los Angeles like this before -- not even in the '94 quake -- but the Eaton and Palisades dead zones are massive.

 

[Khev]

Personally, I was unscathed, but I watched the fires burn the Palisades and portions of Brentwood for several days from my balcony and roof top.

A very good friend from high school days lost everything... another best friend of my wife's also lost her home. Both families got out unscathed, but are now in the twilight of despair and going through the process of insurance hell and governmental bureaucracy while they try to rebuy all their basic needs: towels, sheets, beds, sofas, tvs, kitchenware, clothes to wear, etc. I know of a lot more who also are homeless today. Many others are in various stages of seemingly constant evacuation (now for mudslides).

It's a horrible mess that has effected everyone here. Everyone knows someone that was displaced by the Palisades or Eaton fires. Rebuilding will take a decade at least; infrastructure is gone and they city will require new zoning laws so this doesn't happen again. I know most people are thinking about rebuilding but I believe it is too daunting; most people were underinsured and the cost to rebuild will be too great. Many people will move elsewhere and get on with their lives. Developers will gobble up the Palisades. They were sniffing around at all the soon-to-be-available properties literally during the fires.

I'm not sure we've ever had a decimated area in Los Angeles like this before -- not even in the '94 quake -- but the Eaton and Palisades dead zones are massive.

Such a tragedy. My heart goes out to all affected, I hope those you mentioned above have the quickest recovery possible (whatever that means.) Glad to hear that you personally weren't directly hit by the fires.

 

[jye4ever]

So the internal leaks break down production problems:

1. Red Hulk was originally supposed to be a 100% anti Trump fascist character but Disney panicked and turned down the anti Trump rhetoric in the reshoots because they didn’t want to lose conservative customers.
2. Ford was so miserable during motion capture that he was angry all the time, it took triple the effort to keep him comfortable.
3. Focus on villains was all over the place.
4. Feige didn’t want this movie, he was behind Thunderbolts and F4 but not enthusiastic about this.

 

[YoNoSe]

Speaking of villains, I was convinced

Spoiler

Falcon 2 was a villain. He was all over Old Cap's phone before the disco lights derped him. And he was placed as the techie guy for the first 1/4 of the movie.

But then it goes nowhere and he gets sidelined.

 

[YoNoSe]

2. Ford was so miserable during motion capture that he was angry all the time, it took triple the effort to keep him comfortable.