Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)

[Khev]

the stare-down scene, where they're all lined up on different sides- is a good example of bad CGI.

Do you have 3D at home? I find 3D to be a great equalizer when it comes to CGI since live-action elements projected in 3D always look a tad unnatural which kind of levels the playing field with the digital elements. Even James Cameron said that the combined live-action and digital effects of Avatar don't like right in 2D and that he doesn't advise anyone to watch it that way.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Do you have 3D at home? I find 3D to be a great equalizer when it comes to CGI since live-action elements projected in 3D always look a tad unnatural which kind of levels the playing field with the digital elements. Even James Cameron said that the combined live-action and digital effects of Avatar don't like right in 2D and that doesn't advise anyone to watch it that way.

No, no 3D TV. Which is fine as I'm not that big of a fan in the first place. (my next upgrade will be 4K) That's funny, I watched Avatar a few weeks back and it's visuals are still decent even in 2D.

 

[Khev]

That's funny, I watched Avatar a few weeks back and it's visuals are still decent even in 2D.

Yeah, it's funny how subjective the quality of digital effects are. You'd think it'd be this universally agreed upon thing but for every movie you have people saying "looked great/looked like ****."

 

[ZaCHw117]

so true, it probably has more to do with age then we think.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Walker would be my number one choice of course. And if they weren't jumping right into Infinity War now would have been the perfect time to bring him in. Cap gives up his shield, goes AWOL in Wakanda, Secretary Ross picks a temperamental replacement that he thinks he can control and everything goes to hell. Sigh...

I am a little bummed that Crossbones is gone for good but I know there are only so many villain arcs they can include in these "Phases," especially with a number of the main actors assumedly coming to the end of their tenures. As it stands Crossbones is the only Mark Gruenwald character to ever make it to the big screen. It would have been neat if the the vial he stole in the opening of CW was called the "Bloodstone virus" or something just for fun.



At the end of the day Marvel Studios/Russo Bros took a crappy comic and made it into a great film. I'm sure if they made an awesome Cap Wolf movie there'd be young folks complaining that it didn't end with him announcing his allegiance to HYDRA. Since, you know, bad comic stories are supposed to be combined in order to be "done right."



Especially if it was a Kirk/Spock Wrath of Khan moment between him and Tony when he finally goes. I'm gettin' misty thinking about it now. MAN would he be missed by so many other characters though (unlike a certain other recently expired hero.) Bucky, Sam, Widow, Sharon, all the people who attend his Smithsonian exhibit every year, etc.

The only thing that might hinder the impact would be if audiences were "deathed out" by all the fake deaths we've already seen in the MCU (and soon DCEU) plus Han Solo, etc.



I actually think that would be a great idea post-Infinity War. I think it'd be great if after the 2012-2018 "Avengers era" that once Thanos is put down they go a good 5-8 years of solo films with maybe one extra character here and there like Widow in TWS. Then they can go back to some big crossover event after characters have gotten their own individual trilogies or what have you.



I never made that particular observation but I remember people talking about it when the film was released.

That wasn't you? I wonder who it was then.

I can see Zach's point about the visuals. There are some effects that look very rushed in the movie, like the digital falling Cap that you mentioned. Another one for me is a shot of the AFV after the virus is stolen in Lagos. I noticed the same thing in BvS with Bruce's vehicle in one overhead shot. I can understand why they go CGI, because it's a lot cheaper, but these effects studios need to clean it up. When video games look more realistic than film effects, there's a problem.

 

[ZaCHw117]

That wasn't you? I wonder who it was then.

I can see Zach's point about the visuals. There are some effects that look very rushed in the movie, like the digital falling Cap that you mentioned. Another one for me is a shot of the AFV after the virus is stolen in Lagos. I noticed the same thing in BvS with Bruce's vehicle in one overhead shot. I can understand why they go CGI, because it's a lot cheaper, but these effects studios need to clean it up. When video games look more realistic than film effects, there's a problem.

I think if there's a way to do it piratically, it should be done piratically. no excuses. Director's these days are too used to saying "oh well, we will just CGI that shot." that's lazy film-making.

 

[Victοr]

Walker would be my number one choice of course. And if they weren't jumping right into Infinity War now would have been the perfect time to bring him in. Cap gives up his shield, goes AWOL in Wakanda, Secretary Ross picks a temperamental replacement that he thinks he can control and everything goes to hell. Sigh...

That would surely have been great. But, at this point, it's no longer feasible, which is a shame, really. That's the problem with live-action, it can pick so much from the books until time has run out.

I am a little bummed that Crossbones is gone for good but I know there are only so many villain arcs they can include in these "Phases," especially with a number of the main actors assumedly coming to the end of their tenures. As it stands Crossbones is the only Mark Gruenwald character to ever make it to the big screen. It would have been neat if the the vial he stole in the opening of CW was called the "Bloodstone virus" or something just for fun.

Well, Grillo said that we never saw his body, but I wouldn't bet on him coming back. Although, Crossbones did exhibit some Inhuman fire powers for a short time in Parker's Thunderbolts. And we never really did see his body. It could be that his armour protected him. It's unlikely, especially with another Cap film not announced, but it could happen, if Bucky picks up the shield and they want to go for Skull/Lukin/Sin as the villains.

But yeah, it is a shame. I don't expect many folks to agree with me, but I always thought Cap's villains were great. You have the bruisers like Crossbones, the Nazis like Skull and Strucker, the scientists like Zola, the redemption seeking Doom-analogue in Zemo, he just has villains from every corner. Heck, there's Baron Blood for your supernatural needs.

At the end of the day Marvel Studios/Russo Bros took a crappy comic and made it into a great film. I'm sure if they made an awesome Cap Wolf movie there'd be young folks complaining that it didn't end with him announcing his allegiance to HYDRA. Since, you know, bad comic stories are supposed to be combined in order to be "done right."

That scene became famous because Civil War was one of the few Marvel events that had actual ramifications. But now, all those posers and so-called "fans" treat it like part of that story, when it's part of Brubaker's arc. It was all just correct timing, nothing more. It's the double standard that pisses me off. Doing the "Death of Superman" and seemingly ignoring "Reign of the Supermen" in a TDKR-esque movie is fine, but omitting a whole arc from a Cap story in a Civil War film is somehow a sin. Give me a break...

Especially if it was a Kirk/Spock Wrath of Khan moment between him and Tony when he finally goes. I'm gettin' misty thinking about it now. MAN would he be missed by so many other characters though (unlike a certain other recently expired hero.) Bucky, Sam, Widow, Sharon, all the people who attend his Smithsonian exhibit every year, etc.

It depends on how it's handled, really.

The only thing that might hinder the impact would be if audiences were "deathed out" by all the fake deaths we've already seen in the MCU (and soon DCEU) plus Han Solo, etc.

Yeah, the MCU is full of fake deaths, that's true.

I actually think that would be a great idea post-Infinity War. I think it'd be great if after the 2012-2018 "Avengers era" that once Thanos is put down they go a good 5-8 years of solo films with maybe one extra character here and there like Widow in TWS. Then they can go back to some big crossover event after characters have gotten their own individual trilogies or what have you.

Personally, I just think shared universes should stop for a while. Go back to the basics. No team-ups, no ensembles, just solo trilogies. Maybe come up with mini-universes. For example something like the early Ultimate Universe, which was fairly small. After 10 or so years, and after you've given proper attention to every one of those few characters, change it up. Say, for 10 years you make movies based on Cap, Iron Man, Hulk and other realistic character. After these are done, follow them with a Supernatural universe, with films based on Ghost Rider, Doctor Strange and Moon Knight. I reckon that'd be a nice change of pace.

 

[Khev]

I think if there's a way to do it piratically, it should be done piratically.

Arr matey!

Personally, I just think shared universes should stop for a while. Go back to the basics. No team-ups, no ensembles, just solo trilogies. Maybe come up with mini-universes.

I'd be fine with that. As it stands Netflix DD has a nice little mini-universe going right now. Otherwise I totally agree on the depth and range of Cap's villains. He really does have a great line-up of baddies. Of course I would add the Serpent Society to those you mentioned inclucing Madame Hydra/Viper.

 

[Victοr]

I'd be fine with that. As it stands Netflix DD has a nice little mini-universe going right now. Otherwise I totally agree on the depth and range of Cap's villains. He really does have a great line-up of baddies. Of course I would add the Serpent Society to those you mentioned inclucing Madame Hydra/Viper.

The Netflix model is essentially becoming the TV'MCU though, at least in term of shows. It's just that I'm really starting to fear about a CBM implosion. When you announce films based on Harley Quinn and Cyborg, which will follow the already established names and sequels, not to mention the various studios, it becomes way too much, especially as an annual occurence.

Yeah, I totes forgot about Viper. I also have a soft spot for the old Fury stuff. Contessa, Scorpion, the Yellow Claw, the Howling Commandos, all that jazz. I'd kill for some Steranko/Hickman themed Fury/Howling Commandos/Secret Warriors films.

 

[JAWS]

You know to this day I've never done a trilogy marathon in one day. Not with SW OT, nor LOTR, nor Cap.

First one I ever did was Back to the Future... Did not plan on doing it... Just me and my friend watched the first one and then decided to watch the 2nd.. Well once your there you might as well finish.

Next time I watched a series was the Alien films when they first came out on DVD.. Took the day off from work and watched all 4.

When Return of the King came out at theaters I watched FOTR and TTT extended editions and then went to the midnight showing of ROTK.

I watched the SW trilogy backwards once but that was over two days.. Didn't plan that either.

 

[jye4ever]

The future of these movies hang on Marvel delivering a satisfying conclusion to what they started 8 years ago.

Even for me once IW1/2 hopefully deliver the goods i'm tapping out of the "build up" genre and will fondly look back at Phase 1/2/3/Finale in my collection.

 

[jye4ever]

First one I ever did was Back to the Future... Did not plan on doing it... Just me and my friend watched the first one and then decided to watch the 2nd.. Well once your there you might as well finish.

Next time I watched a series was the Alien films when they first came out on DVD.. Took the day off from work and watched all 4.

When Return of the King came out at theaters I watched FOTR and TTT extended editions and then went to the midnight showing of ROTK.

I watched the SW trilogy backwards once but that was over two days.. Didn't plan that either.

My first was in Times Square era.

Debbie Does Dallas
Debbie Does Dishes
Debbie Just Does

oh wait...

 

[kryptonianmutie]

The first movie marathon I can recall watching was the Toxic Avenger movies on cable.

 

[Khev]

once IW1/2 hopefully deliver the goods

Wasn't Infinity War officially condensed to one film?

And I did watch the first SW:SE twice theatrically on opening day. I have also marathoned SW OT + TFA but only by doing one film a day spread out about 5-6 days. So even then I didn't watch them daily.

I'm looking forward to hearing how JAWS and The Shallows play back to back because I know that JAWS (the forum member) considers them to be pretty equivalent in terms of quality and that he'll be alternating between the two of them quite often when the blu-ray for Shallows hits.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

The first movie marathon I can recall watching was the Toxic Avenger movies on cable.

Those are some rough movies

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Those are some rough movies

They were the personification of schlock and I loved them for it, well at least the first two.

 

[jye4ever]

krypto is my kind of movie friend.

I had a silent walk on part in Toxic 3.

 

[Khev]

I had a silent walk on part in Toxic 3.

Nice!

I had forgotten that when Peter and Tony go into Peter's bedroom that Tony threw something at Peter which he caught with lightning fast reflexes. Man Justice League really did rip off CW almost shot for shot in that regard.

And kudos to the Russos and Evans for not having someone conveniently knock his cowl off during the airport battle causing him to go without it for the rest of the flick.

 

[jye4ever]

Yeah Evans really likes wearing his helmet, yet Thor has an open face mask and he doesn't wear his.

As much as I DON'T HATE BvS or XMA, CW truly blows both of those away.

CW is literally wall to wall action.

BvS sorely needs another 20 full minutes of action!

 

[Khev]

Yeah one cool warehouse scene doesn't cut it in a year where Cap has four major action sequences in one movie. And that's all interspersed with Bucky's breakout, Hawkeye's duel with Vision at Avengers HQ, etc.