Censorship day

[lerath666]

Soo... anyone else following this?

Will the board be participating?

Considering how vague the wording of the law is, and considering we post pictures here containing copy-written material, And some videos use music that is held by other institutions, this site could be one of the ones that gets shut down should this pass.



https://americancensorship.org/

 

[thenammagazine]

Doubt it will. Most people have little to no respect for intellectual properties nowadays, let alone what that phrase actually means.

 

[CollectorNC]

First I've heard of it. They can't even uphold current laws so I seriously doubt something like this will pass, given that it is likely to step on 1st amendment rights as well.

 

[The Ween]

I've been hearing about this kind of bill for years. I doubt it would hold up in court anyway.

 

[lerath666]

The weird thing this time, is these two bills
SOPA and the Protect IP act have been, appearently fast-tracked through congress, with very large sums of money behind them from Hollywood.

short version Hollyweird is trying to buy the government to function as it's personal security.

While I hope you're correct, as these things trounce and tap-dance all over free speech and expression, they could still pass. prohibition did.
it was later repealed, but it DID pass.

remember, all that is needed for evil to win is for good men to do nothing.

though, we could replace evil with greed in this context.

 

[thenammagazine]

The weird thing this time, is these two bills
SOPA and the Protect IP act have been, appearently fast-tracked through congress, with very large sums of money behind them from Hollywood.

short version Hollyweird is trying to buy the government to function as it's personal security.

While I hope you're correct, as these things trounce and tap-dance all over free speech and expression, they could still pass. prohibition did.
it was later repealed, but it DID pass.

remember, all that is needed for evil to win is for good men to do nothing.

though, we could replace evil with greed in this context.

But by not "signing" it, we're doing nothing. Is that good or bad?

 

[lerath666]

the big problem here is that the bill opens the door for censorship. That's my concern. my best suggestion is to read up on it.

 

[The Ween]

Honestly, I have found these kinds of petitions really don't do a thing. If a politician wants to do something, or his party for that matter, they're going to do it. There would be a lot of things different in this country if they honestly listened to what the people wanted. If you can't do it by voting, you're pretty much stuck.

 

[thenammagazine]

Honestly, I have found these kinds of petitions really don't do a thing. If a politician wants to do something, or his party for that matter, they're going to do it. There would be a lot of things different in this country if they honestly listened to what the people wanted. If you can't do it by voting, you're pretty much stuck.

Not really true. Despite 3 attempts to pass it, the airsoft community beat SB798 by making the writer look like an ass and showing that the state would be losing tax revenue if it passed.

 

[CollectorNC]

I wonder where the Occupy folks are... Hollywood makes billions. They say they lose hundreds of millions on piracy, but there's never really any hard data. There's many folks that end up downloading AND going to see the movie AND buying it. In the end, Hollywood would be shooting itself in both feet. Also, I remember in the Napster days, the music industry was screaming about losing money and having to raise prices. Well, before Napster, CD prices were already high, so was that just corporate greed then?

 

[darthviper107]

I'm sure they are loosing money, but there's no way for them to get any good number on how much, they just count downloads--but they can't even count all the downloads. I hear the stats on some of the torrent sites but torrents aren't even close to covering all the ways people download stuff.

 

[CollectorNC]

I'm sure they are loosing money, but there's no way for them to get any good number on how much, they just count downloads--but they can't even count all the downloads. I hear the stats on some of the torrent sites but torrents aren't even close to covering all the ways people download stuff.

Sure, but when you get to figures that most of us probably can't fathom, it's miniscule and they are still making a huge profit. They'd have to prove what percentage of loss of theatrical and video revenue. But also, not everyone that downloads just downloads. Many go out and see the movie because what fun is it watching some crappy rip on a home tv? Also, most downloads are likely just the movie, not the extras. Take the Star Wars blu-rays...they are selling huge amounts and making a huge profit, yet are floating around the net. So are film companie losing 50% of their revenue (I doubt it) or are they just taking a slight ding? Also, it's not the big movies that suffer...it's the DTV movies that have no theatrical showings that truly suffer from piracy. The Dark Knight was not only the highest grossing movie but it was also the most illegally downloaded. Doesn't seem possible with the studios logic of losing a lot of money.

 

[thenammagazine]

Sure, but when you get to figures that most of us probably can't fathom, it's miniscule and they are still making a huge profit. They'd have to prove what percentage of loss of theatrical and video revenue. But also, not everyone that downloads just downloads. Many go out and see the movie because what fun is it watching some crappy rip on a home tv? Also, most downloads are likely just the movie, not the extras. Take the Star Wars blu-rays...they are selling huge amounts and making a huge profit, yet are floating around the net. So are film companie losing 50% of their revenue (I doubt it) or are they just taking a slight ding? Also, it's not the big movies that suffer...it's the DTV movies that have no theatrical showings that truly suffer from piracy. The Dark Knight was not only the highest grossing movie but it was also the most illegally downloaded. Doesn't seem possible with the studios logic of losing a lot of money.

You sure about that?

As for the rest, if Hollywood wants to stop this ____, they need to make some kind of deal with the theatres. At roughly $10 a ticked, it's near $40 to take the family to a movie and another $20+ once you're done at the concession stands. You weigh that against a pirated movie and pizza night, it's no contest. Theatres need to lower their prices. Ticket prices are too high, especially in a troubled economy, and the outright rapeage for concessions needs to stop. Make it more appealing to "experience" movies and people will return to the theatres. It won't stop the theft, but it'll boost revenue to pad the loss.

 

[CollectorNC]

You sure about that?

As for the rest, if Hollywood wants to stop this ____, they need to make some kind of deal with the theatres. At roughly $10 a ticked, it's near $40 to take the family to a movie and another $20+ once you're done at the concession stands. You weigh that against a pirated movie and pizza night, it's no contest. Theatres need to lower their prices. Ticket prices are too high, especially in a troubled economy, and the outright rapeage for concessions needs to stop. Make it more appealing to "experience" movies and people will return to the theatres. It won't stop the theft, but it'll boost revenue to pad the loss.

Highest grossing of 2008 It's funny though, this summer, theaters were packed, prices were at an all time high (thanks to ridiculous 3D movie prices) and still the complaints about piracy. If theaters are so packed and really there has only been a negligible audience attendance decline over the years, I don't get it. Every successful movie is proof that piracy is not killing the movies bottom line.

 

[lerath666]

so yes, the short answer,m simply, is greed.

Additionally, this WON'T stop piracy.
and people who pirate now, and DON"T buy movies tickets are not going to spontaneously START going to the movies.

it's a waste of damn time.

 

[CollectorNC]

The litmus test is the music industry since they were first. Illegal downloads have existed for what 15 some years for music? Are albums really more expensive or cheaper? Are bands going bankrupt for lack of selling albums? Honestly, piracy is bad. No debate. It is stealing in the technological age. But what brought us here? Also, when movie companies are sending out movie screeners right and left, knowing they end up on the net, how can I feel sorry for them? Is there not a different format they can use? Copy protection always has geeks that find their way around, so that's not the answer. NAM touched on the real answer. Lower all prices. But some greedy corporate heads are SO greedy that their movie can take in a billion, but they are concerned about 150 million lost due to piracy, when if they just lowered the tickets, they might not hit a billion, but they'd probably be pretty close.

 

[thenammagazine]

so yes, the short answer,m simply, is greed.

Additionally, this WON'T stop piracy.
and people who pirate now, and DON"T buy movies tickets are not going to spontaneously START going to the movies.

it's a waste of damn time.

If prices were lower, while it'd be naive to say they'd stop pirating, I don't see why they wouldn't attend for the theatrical experience.

 

[CollectorNC]

If prices were lower, while it'd be naive to say they'd stop pirating, I don't see why they wouldn't attend for the theatrical experience.

It's like the whole HDTV debate about when is it going to be a time when folks don't want to ever leave their homes to see a movie. Technology is still not there, but many also go for the movie going experience and frankly, you'll never see a HDTV in Best Buy the size of a movie screen.

 

[thenammagazine]

It's like the whole HDTV debate about when is it going to be a time when folks don't want to ever leave their homes to see a movie. Technology is still not there, but many also go for the movie going experience and frankly, you'll never see a HDTV in Best Buy the size of a movie screen.

Plus, there's nothing like catching a blockbuster with a packed crowd. That's something a home theatre, unless you're rich and shameless, will never duplicate.

 

[CollectorNC]

Plus, there's nothing like catching a blockbuster with a packed crowd. That's something a home theatre, unless you're rich and shameless, will never duplicate.

Exactly, the experience on opening day/night. I looked up movie copy protection and there seems to be some form of a digital protection...Cinavia...that seems to mess with the audio on certain movies floating on the internet. It seems confined to PS3 play, which leaves the question...is Hollywood endorsing pirated movie play on Xbox? (joking)