Chris Howes' Sculptural Creations

[costumeball]

i even have doubts you're a customer now because a real customer wouldn't act as flippant as you are about it.

Seriously what IS it with some you guys?

If I'm not leading the witch hunt, I automatically either have to be Howes himself, or be lying about having orders from him?

For the record, I have ONE painted, drilled House head with cane (which can be verified on the payment chart in the House thread) and then TWO Ada heads of Peters Sellers as Inspector Clouseau.

Two heads because I got this Henry Jones model kit for the hat, and it only looked good wearing the hat if the head was chopped down. So one head for the hat, and one hatless with the hair.

Is that specific enough, or should I forward my Paypal receipts to you guys?

P.S. I have the rest of that Henry Jones model kit sans hat that I chopped off his head, if anyone is interested in it! It might be usable for customizers for something.

 

[Ironman1188]

That is the angle you should attach to if you aren't 1st party involved.

otherwise I have to agree the "he promised heads, I might have bought one" is pretty weak to get upset over.

You misunderstand. Yes, I'm upset over heads that looked like they would be forthcoming and now will probably not see the light of day, unless someone else winds up taking up the slack like Spenser did with the GB sculpts. But, as a long time member of this board what howes is doing to it is infuriating, whether I vested money to him (which now I'm the bad guy because I chose to wait?) or not.

You didn't miss out on anything... Like I said once and many times before you didn't pay for squat. I would take your place over mine right now if that is possible. Who would want to come to this thread day in and day out ^^^^^ing about product they didn't receive if they didn't buy anything to begin with?.... Is the entertainment value that high?... If you really want to ^^^^^ forward me about 50 bucks to my paypal and therefore you would've informally bought the House Head and Cane from me that Chris Howes still haven't sent and you can ^^^^^ and whine all you want.

Be it Howes Les or Sorevereign Studios... there actions only damages themselves. I haven't stopped buying and dealing with customizers on this board. ... in fact I bought over $200 worth of stuff just this month.

Good for you that you have that extra income to spread around. However, your anger should be directed at howes, not me, or yourself. I did not send your money nor did I take it and give you nothing in return. Is this entertaining? by no means, but you can't get thru a page of threads without several howes threads being there. And, as this was a public forum last I checked, I have as much right to post in any of the threads as you do.

I haven't read every post, but I'd to see where the guy is irrefutably LYING about something, instead of "Hey guys I *HOPE* to have _______ ready by _______."

It's not the same thing.
As for Russians and the degree of the captdan thing, he may be exaggerating or even lying, but there's no evidence to suggest as much.



I guess one man's patient person is another's pushover.

Problem is NO ONE was promised a specific timeline, so if you choose to get upset over some construct that YOU had for what constitutes a "reasonable timeframe", that's your own deal.

Perhaps no deadline was set for the finished product, but he has set update deadlines on several occasions that were never adhered to.

 

[The Drizzle]

Problem is NO ONE was promised a specific timeline, so if you choose to get upset over some construct that YOU had for what constitutes a "reasonable timeframe", that's your own deal.

Do you think it's reasonable that he hasn't answered any of my emails to him? Do you think it's reasonable that he is selling and has delivered House heads to ebay buyers but not the original commissioners?

 

[Voorhees27]

since you refuse to set a timeline even one as far out as "10 years", I think your word in this thread is useless. i even have doubts you're a customer now because a real customer wouldn't act as flippant as you are about it.

 

[ProgMatinee]

i can live without my measly $40 or whatever it was. its gone. I been without it since fn October. i'd be upset if it was $5. someone shouldn't lie to you and tell you its done but don't send it.

in interest of full disclosure, I talked to Chris a few months back wondering where my River was in the process. He said it was done but could not be painted by Kuato because Kuato is having "personal problems". Later I read from Kuato himself that he backed out because he was uncomfortable with Chris' business practices. That doesn't sound like "personal problems" to me. Regardless, if painting was the blocking point, how come my buddy that ordered an unpainted head didn't receive his? Can you explain that one? Seems like lies to me. Seeing River on sale on ebay seems like selling promised goods to a new party. Is that supposed to be "ok" because no one brought the issue up at the time?
You're in lala land if you're willing to accept that behavior and personally I hope you disappear from the forum as soon as you get your items because anyone who has a "as long as he communicates with me and sends me my items I can care less what he does to the rest of you" type attitude it scum and doesn't belong to this community.

 

[costumeball]

Do you think it's reasonable that he hasn't answered any of my emails to him?

No, I don't. Did you try the "Hello" subject line?
Were you polite in the contents of said e-mails?

I admit, if I hadn't heard from him at all, I would definitely be concerned, but all I'm seeing is an angry few saying they've had no contact with him.

Do you think it's reasonable that he is selling and has delivered House heads to ebay buyers but not the original commissioners?

Yes, I do think that's reasonable. As I understand it, he does this in his spare time as pretty much a hobby and a service to the fans. He's not making huge profits off of this, especially if compared to what he probably earns sculpting "for real". So if he has to put them on eBay to bring in a little more cash to compensate his time, and make it more worth his while to do these, I say more power to him.

While it might be "bad form" or "annoying" to see eBay customers getting theirs before those of us who were there from the beginning, we were never promised otherwise, and I don't see how that means we won't get ours.

If anything, they'll be better versions of them if you're getting painted heads, in which case the later versions will likely be more polished after practicing on all the previous ones.

 

[mosaicsquare]

Good for you that you have that extra income to spread around. However, your anger should be directed at howes, not me, or yourself. I did not send your money nor did I take it and give you nothing in return. Is this entertaining? by no means, but you can't get thru a page of threads without several howes threads being there. And, as this was a public forum last I checked, I have as much right to post in any of the threads as you do.

Good for me? Are you suggesting that just because Chris Howes did this to me I should keep my money to myself? Wait... that was what you didn't want to happen because you're a customizer yourself. You complain about his threads popping up on the first page... yet you contribute to his threads even though you didn't buy anything. I think you find this very entertaining thats why you played the freedom of speech card. Do what you like you're just giving Howes an excuse to ignore everyone who payed him the benefit to communicate with him.

Everytime he made a post since this whole fiasco broke out he mentioned something about not wanting to come here because people who didn't pay a single dime to him are spamming the threads.

 

[The Drizzle]

No, I don't. Did you try the "Hello" subject line?
Were you polite in the contents of said e-mails?

YES on both counts. See? Not reasonable.

I admit, if I hadn't heard from him at all, I would definitely be concerned, but all I'm seeing is an angry few saying they've had no contact with him.

All I'm seeing is a select few that have either threatened him legally, or stroked his ego in some way getting any answers.

Yes, I do think that's reasonable. As I understand it, he does this in his spare time as pretty much a hobby and a service to the fans. He's not making huge profits off of this, especially if compared to what he probably earns sculpting "for real". So if he has to put them on eBay to bring in a little more cash to compensate his time, and make it more worth his while to do these, I say more power to him.

While it might be "bad form" or "annoying" to see eBay customers getting theirs before those of us who were there from the beginning, we were never promised otherwise, and I don't see how that means we won't get ours.

If anything, they'll be better versions of them if you're getting painted heads, in which case the later versions will likely be more polished after practicing on all the previous ones.

I think that's totally absurd. Finish your business with your commissioners before selling the item publicly. It's very bad form. Also, a lot of us ordered unpainted heads. he hasn't sent those either, so the paint theory doesn't hold water.

 

[costumeball]

Regardless, if painting was the blocking point, how come my buddy that ordered an unpainted head didn't receive his? Can you explain that one?

No I can't explain it, but just because I can't explain something shouldn't give someone the license to claim the guy is ripping everyone off.

Sounds to me more like the guy is extremely busy, and not too organized.
Should he get a little crap for it? Sure.
Should there be the witch hunt? Not IMO.

You're in lala land if you're willing to accept that behavior and personally I hope you disappear from the forum as soon as you get your items because anyone who has a "as long as he communicates with me and sends me my items I can care less what he does to the rest of you" type attitude it scum and doesn't belong to this community.

Where did I say that I don't care if anyone else gets their stuff?

Why such extremes? If I don't join the pitchfork brigade, I'm scum? I'm a liar?

Can't there be a middle ground?

 

[costumeball]

no seriously.... you're chris howes.

No seriously, you're REALLY embarrassing yourself.
It's unbelievably pathetic.

Angry few??? He has raised over $11,000 and delivered from what I have seen 3-4 sculpts. Get your facts straight noob (Chris Howes)

I'm not talking about everyone who ordered from him.
I'm talking about the few who did order from him and are unhappy about the current situation.

Admittedly, 11 grand isn't a small chunk of change. More than I thought.
If Howes doesn't in fact deliver on all the prepaid stuff as he promised, that will be a problem.

YES on both counts. See? Not reasonable.

No. Not reasonable. I agree. Sorry you haven't been able to reach him.

All I'm seeing is a select few that have either threatened him legally, or stroked his ego in some way getting any answers.

Well, am I stroking his ego if I like the way his House sculpt turned out?

Maybe it's dumb luck that he answers mine. I couldn't say.

I think that's totally absurd. Finish your business with your commissioners before selling the item publicly. It's very bad form. Also, a lot of us ordered unpainted heads. he hasn't sent those either, so the paint theory doesn't hold water.

I don't think it's the best course of action.
(My House is a gift for my dad, so there went Father's Day, and his b-day without being able to give this to him.)

But I also think that people don't understand that they're getting a good deal on the sculpt, and they don't understand how it has to take "second place" to real work.

And yeah, of course he's gotta ship the eBay ones out on time or his feedback gets screwed and then he can't sell on eBay anymore. I guess he overestimated the patience of the members here. It's not totally cool, I agree, but I also don't think it deserves the vitriol seen on these boards.

 

[Ironman1188]

Good for me? Are you suggesting that just because Chris Howes did this to me I should keep my money to myself? Wait... that was what you didn't want to happen because you're a customizer yourself. You complain about his threads popping up on the first page... yet you contribute to his threads even though you didn't buy anything. I think you find this very entertaining thats why you played the freedom of speech card. Do what you like you're just giving Howes an excuse to ignore everyone who payed him the benefit to communicate with him.

Everytime he made a post since this whole fiasco broke out he mentioned something about not wanting to come here because people who didn't pay a single dime to him are spamming the threads.

Please, do not twist what I have said. I did not complain about posts popping up. After you attacked me for caring about what howes is doing to this community, I clarified that I am not looking for these threads but that one can hardly miss them.
I did not suggest that you keep your money nor did I say that it was good that howes did this to you, or any of the other members.
What I am saying is I don't understand your anger towards me, a longtime fellow board member, who is supporting all of the members who are getting screwed and why you don't direct that energy toward howes.
howes excuse about not coming here because people who hadn't paid him anything yet shows two things:
- he got no balls
- he's very shortsighted to not see how much other money he could have been making
I'm not spamming anything. Show me one of my posts where i've said anything that has not been true.
I understand your anger, but your fight should not be with me.

 

[costumeball]

then stay out of it... you tree loving hipee

Who you callin' a hippie?

 

[The Drizzle]

Well, am I stroking his ego if I like the way his House sculpt turned out?

No, not at all, but I think Chris may take it that way.

 

[mosaicsquare]

No, not at all, but I think Chris may take it that way.

which way?... I hope he takes it from the rear because if he doesn't deliver he might have to get accustomed to that way..... of taking

 

[costumeball]

I'm not trying to be an ego-stroker or a tree-hugger or even a testicle-holder for that matter.

I'm just trying to provide a little more balance to this discussion, if it's possible.

As a PAYING customer, I've definitely got a horse in this race, and contrary to some inflammatory remarks, I don't feel I'm being selfish. I ABSOLUTELY hope that everyone gets what they paid for and likes it, and if they don't like it, I hope they are refunded every cent in a prompt fashion.

And if there really are LIES he's told, I'm definitely interesting in reading them.

 

[mosaicsquare]

those lies are all here. instead of balancing the situation just read through the thread.

 

[costumeball]

So what, no one can be bothered to quote them?

 

[icruise]

You're apparently coming in here after 100+ pages and saying "I don't know what everybody's so upset about." Well I've read most of the thread, and what I've heard from other people has disturbed me. There have been multiple people saying that they've been promised updates or shipments and gotten nothing. Many more have said that they can't get in contact with him. He didn't respond to my email either (and yes, I used the "hello" subject line like a moron). I just think it's a little rude to come here and say that everyone's overacting when you clearly don't even know what has happened up until now. And no, I'm not going to go back and find each instance of this for you.

 

[mosaicsquare]

So what, no one can be bothered to quote them?

why so you can turn that around on us and tell us to have more patience? do it yourself.

 

[The Drizzle]

Yeah, it's all within the Howes' threads, the promises and let downs, the way he's tried to twist blame on anyone except himself, and also the proof that many of us had already asked for refunds many times, and he just ignores those requests. He even starts ignoring people who try to help out by asking for refunds on behalf of others. Chris really has gone way past any decent business practices weeks ago. Start asking him about the people that want refunds- you'll either never hear from him again, or he'll just answer as if you never typed the question, and he never saw it. As it has been said before, and I agree, most people here are reasonable, and there would be no problems if Chris answered the emails we have all sent, and made periodic updates with a picture or two now and then. he has not lived up to those reasonable expectations at all.