Dave Filoni is officially an Executive Creative Director at Lucasfilm

[matticus]

I think you two need to stay away from the SW threads for awhile

 

[jal76]

Don't forget Lando's connection to Jannah in TROS. The fact that it may be more audience driven than truth only reinforces the idea that audiences need connections.

Yep, I?d almost forgotten that one...Star Wars had pretty much become a parody of itself.

 

[jal76]

I think you two need to stay away from the SW threads for awhile

You?re probably right

 

[Khev]

Filoni is like a magician. He somehow managed to recontextualize the OT as merely a brief interruption in the Filoniverse.

 

[TheDucky]

It's pretty remarkable how adeptly Filoni has pulled the bait-and-switch act with The Mandalorian. It was sold to fans as a show about an unexplored era of SW which would introduce an array of new characters and plots evolving out of the OT. But just two seasons later, TCW and Rebels characters/plots (all *pre* OT, mind you) are somehow already taking the majority of the focus. Wow!

We've now got a plotline that is basically a live-action Rebels sequel with Ahsoka tracking down Thrawn and Ezra. Another plotline is a TCW quasi-sequel with Bo-Katan at the center of a darksaber plot for the throne of Mandalore. A mysterious baby of Yoda's species is now directly connected to the Clone Wars. And for good measure, there's an overarching cloning angle that is seemingly connected directly back to Kamino.

Filoni is like a magician. He somehow managed to recontextualize the OT as merely a brief interruption in the Filoniverse.

And it works. Filoni is a god.

Some of you are a bunch of whiners and hypocrites though. Y'all ***** when there is no cohesive story, but now that there is a cohesive story you still *****. I don't get it. Wahhhh ST was all new but not cohesive wahhhh. Wahhhh Mando/TCW/Rebels used existing characters and is cohesive wahhhh. Literally no pleasing any of you.

 

[ajp4mgs]

It *is* coming across that way to me, though.

And it works. Filoni is a god.

Some of you are a bunch of whiners and hypocrites though. Y'all ***** when there is no cohesive story, but now that there is a cohesive story you still *****. I don't get it. Wahhhh ST was all new but not cohesive wahhhh. Wahhhh Mando/TCW/Rebels used existing characters and is cohesive wahhhh. Literally no pleasing any of you.

The Mandalorian is set 6 years after the OT, which makes it 10 years after Rebels and 30 or so after TCW. So what do you think would've made a more cohesive story: Taking new characters (Din, Greef, Cara, Kuiil, Gideon, and Grogu) and establishing post-Imperial plots that those characters can navigate through? Or resurrecting plot threads and characters whose relevancy was tied chronologically to events 10 or more years in the past?

The "cohesive" story you're attributing greatness to has a lot less to do with that interim 10-year period where the Empire fell. Ahsoka was not influential in any key events that we've seen in that period. Her role made more sense to be resolved prior to the OT, IMO. And Thrawn and Ezra were also just conveniently working outside of the purview of the galactic struggle that was the focus of those 10 years. Bringing all of them back doesn't make it a cohesive story when that much **** went down (for that long!) without them involved.

But hey, who am I to second-guess a god?

I do wonder if those new characters and plots are more the work of Favreau, and maybe he's splitting the landscape with (or deferring to) the Filoniverse. I'll probably never know for sure.

 

[abake]

And it works. Filoni is a god.

Some of you are a bunch of whiners and hypocrites though. Y'all ***** when there is no cohesive story, but now that there is a cohesive story you still *****. I don't get it. Wahhhh ST was all new but not cohesive wahhhh. Wahhhh Mando/TCW/Rebels used existing characters and is cohesive wahhhh. Literally no pleasing any of you.

Using existing characters cohesive stories does not make.

It *is* coming across that way to me, though.



The Mandalorian is set 6 years after the OT, which makes it 10 years after Rebels and 30 or so after TCW. So what do you think would've made a more cohesive story: Taking new characters (Din, Greef, Cara, Kuiil, Gideon, and Grogu) and establishing post-Imperial plots that those characters can navigate through? Or resurrecting plot threads and characters whose relevancy was tied chronologically to events 10 or more years in the past?

The "cohesive" story you're attributing greatness to has a lot less to do with that interim 10-year period where the Empire fell. Ahsoka was not influential in any key events that we've seen in that period. Her role made more sense to be resolved prior to the OT, IMO. And Thrawn and Ezra were also just conveniently working outside of the purview of the galactic struggle that was the focus of those 10 years. Bringing all of them back doesn't make it a cohesive story when that much **** went down (for that long!) without them involved.

But hey, who am I to second-guess a god?

I do wonder if those new characters and plots are more the work of Favreau, and maybe he's splitting the landscape with (or deferring to) the Filoniverse. I'll probably never know for sure.

Yes, yes! To ajp you listen.

 

[jye4ever]

Holy crap

Spoiler

Koska is Tarkin’s granddaughter and he might have been a Mandalorian all along

 

[Wor-Gar]

I think you two need to stay away from the SW threads for awhile

What? No... Star Wars is great! So is Empire. And Rogue One. And parts of Mandalorian. It's everything else that's problematic.




I'd like to see a Zach Snyder Star Wars movie. And I want to sit next to TheDucky when I see it.

 

[abake]

What? No... Star Wars is great! So is Empire. And Rogue One. And parts of Mandalorian. It's everything else that's problematic.




I'd like to see a Zach Snyder Star Wars movie. And I want to sit next to TheDucky when I see it.

 

[jye4ever]

Snyder?s Rey revealed

 

[Wor-Gar]

That would actually look quite real if it was all black-and-white.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

That?s completely subjective though, I was actually a HUGE fan of both shows, so to each their own. You can?t really say that it was factually OK at best, that is just how you personally felt about it, but a whole bunch of other people watched it and had different opinions.
I found WandaVision to be one of my favorite MCU properties including the movies, but can definitely understand exactly why many people hated it, I just happened to love it.
Objectively speaking, however, the show stood on its own without Dr Strange, Thor, Iron Man, or anything else. The Mandalorian seems to survive solely on the strength of fan service.

You do realize that the only reason Dr. Strange didn't appear was because he would have stolen the show and Disney decided they couldn't have a white dude mansplaining. If you don't believe me, take it from Kevin Feige...

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-...l-dr-strange-written-out-wandavision-1164455/

 

[jal76]

You do realize that the only reason Dr. Strange didn't appear was because he would have stolen the show and Disney decided they couldn't have a white dude mansplaining. If you don't believe me, take it from Kevin Feige...

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-...l-dr-strange-written-out-wandavision-1164455/

I don?t need to believe you, I read that interview myself weeks ago when it came out like you and everyone else did.
That interview was exactly what was in my mind when I used WandaVision to make my point.
I don?t know about white dudes and mansplaining, but whatever his reasons were, he ultimately had the good sense to leave him out (my favorite Marvel comic book character by the way) and allow the show to stand on its own two legs with its own central characters. Things like that are why MCU is doing great and Star Wars is struggling.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

I don?t need to believe you, I read that interview myself weeks ago when it came out like you and everyone else did.
That interview was exactly what was in my mind when I used WandaVision to make my point.
I don?t know about white dudes and mansplaining, but whatever his reasons were, he ultimately had the good sense to leave him out (my favorite Marvel comic book character by the way) and allow the show to stand on its own two legs with its own central characters. Things like that are why MCU is doing great and Star Wars is struggling.

Feige said specifically why he left Strange out. So no need to dance around the facts.

And it's silly to say Star Wars is struggling, The Mandalorian is the most popular show and currently Disney's hottest property. The only things struggling with Star Wars are the KK trilogy of movies and comics that Kennedy's minions run.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Snyder?s Rey revealed

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S/he makes a fine Cavill... looks like an alien... and is Max Landis' Mary Sue dream... so perfect.


Now if Baby Doll looked like that I might -- might -- buy Zach's explanation of Sucker Punch not being a j/o cartoon for teen boys.

 

[jal76]

Feige said specifically why he left Strange out. So no need to dance around the facts.

And it's silly to say Star Wars is struggling, The Mandalorian is the most popular show and currently Disney's hottest property. The only things struggling with Star Wars are the KK trilogy of movies and comics that Kennedy's minions run.

Who?s dancing around the facts?
He didn?t say that he left him out because he was white, he said he left him out because he would have overshadowed the shows central characters. He commented on him being a white guy, but if you want to take that as the reason he wasn?t in the show I think you may be the one who needs to reread the interview.
Feige is still putting him in Dr Strange 2 right? So clearly he doesn?t have a problem with putting white males in his projects.
Putting Dr Strange in the show would have been a mistake, he didn?t do it, so mistake avoided.

Of course, it?s ridiculous to say Star Wars is struggling, like you said, the only thing that?s struggling with this huge movie franchise are the huge movies that they put out.
No struggle at all, everything?s great.
Star Wars was always meant to be a weekly 30 minute TV show starring a meme designed to sell Funko Pops so they are doing just swell.

 

[jye4ever]

See this is where I have to disagree with ajp and agree with Ducky Dynasty.

What SW fan doesn’t want a proper transfer of TCW characters into live action.

If it existed in only cartoon format before than it really never truly existed what you are seeing is all brand new.

 

[Asta]

Unfortunately, Star Wars audiences seem to like the connective tissue of Star Wars -- they like everything to circle back to something familiar. This has been happening since Death Star II. And its cultural -- meaning, comic books to movies. It's all familiar at some point and the regurgitation gets people clapping.

I came of age at a time where the only cohesion in sequels was the main characters coming back, but the worlds and adventures were new -- Bond, OT and Indy were at first all about 'further adventures' and new things. Now, in both SW and MCU, there seems to be this need to constantly connect everything to everything else (familiar) and then spend the other half your time promoting the next show or movie in the series.

Given that most of the vast Star Wars audience is actually older people than it is young, nostalgia makes sense.

I'm one of the oddball oldies that wants completely new adventures... but for every one of me, there are tons of fans (in this very forum) that eat the nostalgia up, cry when Han returns and clap when Ahsoka arrives to tell you about her new show.

All new shows with all new characters and adventures will never happen in this day and age with tastes as they are and budgets what they are. It will take a new generation that is so tired of Star Wars that only something completely removed from it will generate interest.

Death Star II happened because George blew it up too early. In 1977 he didn't know there would be enough interest to enable him to make more films and tell his complete story, so he condensed it into the first one.

But repetition has become synonymous with Star Wars. Nothing ever actually progresses. Victories are merely the spark that starts the cycle of war again. Because it's the way they keep this thing alive, and puts the wars back into the stars.

It's like the resurrection of Maul and Palpatine. "No one's ever really gone."

Or the lame ending to The Rise of Skywalker. 'I'm Rey Skywalker'. An attempt to start the cycle of repetition again, but with a female lead this time.

That said, I like classic Star Wars. I don't like when Star Wars changes, as it did with the thematic shift of the PT from a pulp adventure that wasn't overtly political (i.e. it was about the Vietnam War) to a very on the nose political-economic study of how power is created and harnessed.

George must've know he was going too far, so he had Jar Jar and the Rogers to balance things out.


Why would I want it to change? If I want something different there's Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, The Expanse, Killjoys, etc etc.

I like Star Wars when it feels right. The OT, Rogue One, Solo, The Mandalorian, even The Bad Batch which so far is largely an improvement over most of The Clone wars.

That's not to say I don't want to see new characters, preferably not Force users, but the settings, themes or type of humour must be relatable to the classic era of films and novels.

 

[Khev]

Hmm, lol.