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In principle this is no different then throwing the OG Spiderman Comiquette into some silicone and making copies.

Yes, it is IMO. It is a part, not a whole statue. It is in no way replacing the original. It is a shortcut I grant you, using the original base instead of a "new" one, but I don't hear the same argument for people making replacement lightsabers or something along those lines.
 
Not defending. Just saying it's cool looking.

I could work with my friend and make something way cooler, and it would be original.

Yes, it is IMO. It is a part, not a whole statue. It is in no way replacing the original. It is a shortcut I grant you, using the original base instead of a "new" one, but I don't hear the same argument for people making replacement lightsabers or something along those lines.

Guys who are working to make something as a new real custom don't call that a "shortcut" they call it stealing. He isn't making a new base he is stealing the old one. The light saber debate isn't one that I am up on because I don't collect starwars, but I have usually heard of repair jobs for the most part, but again I am not up on the whole thing.
 
Still not defending. I know people could do better. Just saying it was cool. No biggie.
 
Still not defending. I know people could do better. Just saying it was cool. No biggie.

I am sorry m8... I am not angry that you think it looks cool and I don't hold it against anyone who does.. it is just frustrating as an artist to see someone rip of someone else's work
 
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Anyone want to PM me a pic and f the base that touched this new "recasting is worse that stealing intellectual property to create a custom sculpt" debate? I apparently missed it.
 
Yep give people an inch... So to anyone who though that the clear resin base was harmless this is the same asshat who recast the Ex head, and purchased the Dan Dynamicmenace fabric cape so he could copy it and sell a rip of of THAT. He couldn't be bothered to figure out the pattern in his own. The guy is a theif pure and simple.
 
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Anyone want to PM me a pic and f the base that touched this new "recasting is worse that stealing intellectual property to create a custom sculpt" debate? I apparently missed it.

I missed it to lol it looked like this just sparked out of no where I assume the post was removed that started it.
 
Just picture the same base, just clear with a removable s. Nothing revolutionary.


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Yep give people an inch... So to anyone who though that the clear resin base was harmless this is the same asshat who recast the Ex head, and purchased the Dan Dynamicmenace fabric cape so he could copy it and sell a rip of of THAT. He couldn't be bothered to figure out the pattern in his own. The guy is a theif pure and simple.

Yeah, Recasters are definitely scum. Buy the way, how much did the rights to the Batgirl and Hulk heads your selling cost you :wink1:
 
Yep give people an inch... So to anyone who though that the clear resin base was harmless this is the same asshat who recast the Ex head, and purchased the Dan Dynamicmenace fabric cape so he could copy it and sell a rip of of THAT. He couldn't be bothered to figure out the pattern in his own. The guy is a theif pure and simple.

This guy is a recaster? hmmm, I added his customs facebook as a friend. Perhaps I should unfriend...

just to be sure, we are talking about this guy?

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010280507261
 
I imagine they cost a him as much as every artist in an artist alley booth at every convention across this country pays when They do sketches and prints. :wink1:

True. Personally I don't care one way or another, I just find it amusing when one property rights violator calls out another.
 
True. Personally I don't care one way or another, I just find it amusing when one property rights violator calls out another.
Well i get the irony you see but I agree with him in that, company licensing rights aside, he basically claimed another sculptors work as his own when all he really did was change the material.

But to each their own I guess.
 
Yeah, Recasters are definitely scum. Buy the way, how much did the rights to the Batgirl and Hulk heads your selling cost you :wink1:

Lol... You know what I see your point csi, and I won't argue against it. I will say that the big companies are well aware of the custom heads market, and they don't care all that much about it because it actually helps them sell pieces at times. Like Josh said it is similar to Marvel editors and Chiefs walking through an artist Ally at a Con and not busting every artist there. It gives there brand a little more exposure and it doesn't hurt anything. I have had several guys tell me they bought Batgirl even though they missed the Ex because they thought the head I did was really nice, and a couple of guys are going to make their decision on the Hulk Reg depending on what mine looks like painted. I won't lie it makes me proud to hear that, but I do get that I am only able to do so because there is an unwritten rule between the comic companies and artists. You are aloud to make a small number of any one product, but don't get greedy or we will smack you down.

Now my issue with the Recaster is that he is literally just throwing another artists work into a box, making a mold, and then casting it. He denies that what he is even doing is recasting because he isn't painting the base up to look exactly like SSCs, and while that would be horrible in its own right, what he is doing requires even less thought and work see is all he is doing is pouring clear resin into his mold. I think the part that pissed me off the most was hearing about how he was buying others customs, like Dans cape, and copying their idea. It just ticked me off.
 
I think it pretty much comes down to intentions and profit.
You want to make the exact same base in clear resin by recasting it? Ok, you make a small profit for your disturb on it and give people something they want while keeping costs reasonable. Maybe keep the production run low, it's the kind of thing that would be "I'd like to make a new one but it would cost too much to make it affordable". That's ok in my books, it's a matter of keeping things reasonable.
But if you start selling at a high price, you're gouging and capitalizing on an already existing sculpt just for the sake of making money out of it. When a recasted base costs as much as a brand new base, you know something is wrong and the intentions behind are wrong too.

Example: a friend of mine came up with the idea of picking the Hulk PF Reg head, recasting it, tweak it to improve the attachment to the body and adding some texturing on the face to match the body. It's not exactly a ton of work and it's still partially based on a recast, but it's something that could interest people. If he keeps price reasonable and production run not very high, I think it's ok. If he charges 200 or 250$ like a brand new custom portrait, that's too much imho.
 
Lol... You know what I see your point csi, and I won't argue against it. I will say that the big companies are well aware of the custom heads market, and they don't care all that much about it because it actually helps them sell pieces at times. Like Josh said it is similar to Marvel editors and Chiefs walking through an artist Ally at a Con and not busting every artist there. It gives there brand a little more exposure and it doesn't hurt anything. I have had several guys tell me they bought Batgirl even though they missed the Ex because they thought the head I did was really nice, and a couple of guys are going to make their decision on the Hulk Reg depending on what mine looks like painted. I won't lie it makes me proud to hear that, but I do get that I am only able to do so because there is an unwritten rule between the comic companies and artists. You are aloud to make a small number of any one product, but don't get greedy or we will smack you down.

Now my issue with the Recaster is that he is literally just throwing another artists work into a box, making a mold, and then casting it. He denies that what he is even doing is recasting because he isn't painting the base up to look exactly like SSCs, and while that would be horrible in its own right, what he is doing requires even less thought and work see is all he is doing is pouring clear resin into his mold. I think the part that pissed me off the most was hearing about how he was buying others customs, like Dans cape, and copying their idea. It just ticked me off.

I agree Recasters are scum, but I think you are doing a lot of justifying about what you do. If we're being honest here, I highly doubt DC/Marvel or Sideshow approve of what you are doing or would give you permission in any way to do it. I think your small enough that it is not worth their time or effort to go after you (or any other custom sellers) but that's not tacit approval of stealing their intellectual property. Don't get me wrong, you are quite talented and offer a great product and I don't take issue with it, but let's not kid ourselves and try and justify it as helping out the big companies. It's stealing, but not at the level that's worth their time to stop it.
 
I agree Recasters are scum, but I think you are doing a lot of justifying about what you do. If we're being honest here, I highly doubt DC/Marvel or Sideshow approve of what you are doing or would give you permission in any way to do it. I think your small enough that it is not worth their time or effort to go after you (or any other custom sellers) but that's not tacit approval of stealing their intellectual property. Don't get me wrong, you are quite talented and offer a great product and I don't take issue with it, but let's not kid ourselves and try and justify it as helping out the big companies. It's stealing, but not at the level that's worth their time to stop it.

People forget that Sideshow started out with unlicensed garage kits. Same for Bowen. You go back, and every single one of them started unlicensed, pretty much. The common behavior towards customs is that companies do unlicensed stuff before becoming companies and then turn a blind eye.
If you're a licensed company with its roster of artists and so on, and a bunch of customs put you into trouble... you're doing something wrong. And it's not just that, customs often work as an added value. A custom companion piece for a licensed statue (i.e. a custom Robin), a custom extra accessory/part that improves the original, and so on. They are all incentives to buy the licensed stuff.
 
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