This cannot be. The thought was mine and mine alone!
I got the impression the meds were keeping him in a stupor and once he stopped taking them his more confident (and violent) true self emerged.
It actually reminded me of The Killing Joke. That's my favourite Joker origin story and this is the closest anything theatrical has come to it.
I dunno - when he talks to the social worker he says the multiple medications don't help. I got the sense it was the events that were occurring that changed his mindset, nit the denial of meds.
As I said, I get the "occupy wall street" type rage but in the movie (which is Gotham, not NY) they didn't provide much of a picture of why everyone was so angry, and the way Joker is at the start and at the end seems to be linked solely to his mother's mental illness decades earlier, not really to the actions of "rich people."
With no context of social tension, you have to wonder how things would have played out if he had killed the gang of youths who steal his sign - who do to Joker exactly the same thing that the wall street guys on the train.
All evidence is really pointy more and more to this movie being mostly in his head as Clown so eloquently analyzed there and If that turns out to be the case regardless of how well executed that would pretty much ruin the narrative side of the movie, no.
Remember 2003 Identity directed by Mangold.
I mean it seems like people always turn on movies like this when it becomes clear that it?s all a fantasy regardless if even a well crafted one as this one is and also Identity.
Oops did I just ruin Identity lol
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Yeah, I didn't get why the neighbor woman relationship was all in his head - yet could have easily been believable (in that Cybil/Taxi Driver way) - yet the Rupert Pupkin-like TV appearance on De Niro's show seemed so unbelievable (for many reasons - security questions, the idea someone videoed a comic bombing at a dive club in the 1970s, and show like De Niro's would actually use it, that people would call in about it, that it followed so closely his earlier fantasy about the show, how it plays out was so surreal) but seemingly actually happened.
I had kind of guessed the neighbor was a fantasy because they never show them having sex when - obvioulsy - they would have (to show Arthur's reaction) had it been real.
