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nash said:
who do you think the lakers will drop and pick up?
I think Smush, Kwame, Radmanovic and Mihm are gone. I'd love to see them go after the likes of Kevin Garnett, Rashard Lewis and Jermaine O'neal. Hell even picking up Chauncey Billups would make a big difference in the the backcourt.
 
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Did you guys see some of the passes Nash was making? Some of those bounce passes were just WOW :horror
 
nash said:
Did you guys see some of the passes Nash was making? Some of those bounce passes were just WOW :horror
If Magic gives his 'Stamp of Approval', then Nash is OK in my book. He's a great point guard, I'd love to have a player like that on the Lakers. :cool:
 
OH MY GOD! are you guys watching the GS/DAL game right now!? These Warriors just will not give up! that place is going absolutely nuts!
 
Earvin Johnson was a great point gaurd because he had freakish height at 6 foot 9 inches to play the position. This gave him tremendous advantage over every other point gaurd in the league. Steve Nash has the traditional smaller size of the point gaurd and can still do everything that Johnson was able to do. That is even more amazing. Its like a 6 foot 6 man leading the league in rebounding.

Detroit vs. Chicago should be a terrific war. Dallas seems finished although I give GS little chance to win in the end against Phoenix. The match-ups are simply not in their favor the way they are with Dallas. And Don Nelson has no coaching advantage against Phoenix.
 
gideon said:
Steve Nash has the traditional smaller size of the point gaurd and can still do everything that Johnson was able to do.


Like play every position inclucing center in a post season game?.. ( No) Create havoc for the other team matching up? (maybe)

His passing ability is certainly the second coming of the Magic man.. If there is no angle for a pass he will create one.. Nash is truly a special player..
 
The ill Jedi said:
My bad, I have all the respect in the world for Shaq, Wade and Riley, but that's about it. I hate Walker, Payton's a *****, Mourning I just can't stand and the way everyone talked about Miami after last years title, you'd think they were gonna win 10 in a row or something. Dallas gift wrapped and gave that Finals to them.

I gave you albums too buddy! :D

True, and i appreciate it:D Good looking out.

How can you hate Mourning and Payton? That's crazy... Walker i can understand, he's kind of a butt-hole but i gotta show some love for. He was a reason why the Heat won the championship last year... but this year:banghead He got outplayed by Kapono!

Damn it! Sucks the Lakers lost:banghead

But YES! The Warriors and Nets won:banana
 
IronFingaz said:
True, and i appreciate it:D Good looking out.

How can you hate Mourning and Payton? That's crazy... Walker i can understand, he's kind of a butt-hole but i gotta show some love for. He was a reason why the Heat won the championship last year... but this year:banghead He got outplayed by Kapono!

Damn it! Sucks the Lakers lost:banghead

But YES! The Warriors and Nets won:banana


I loved Shaq.. But he betrayed me.. Alot of the heat goes on Kobe for thier break up but I really do think it was Shaqs ego that led to his own departure.. He by far has the most fragile ego in the league..

How can you hate Payton?.. Its very easy.. Mourning I respect for what he has over come... Walker?.. Oh god..

When my beloved Lakers Finally Succumb I will pull for a Warriors Bulls matchup...
 
Bodie - that BS about Johnson playing center in the playoffs was and is one of the great mythical legends in the history of the NBA. And like most mythical legends - IT IS A LIE. Having seen that game, there is a great deal more to playing center than merely going out for the opening tip and jumping for the ball. You watch a tape of that game and tell me if Johnson played center for the game. Its a crock. Pound for pound and inch for inch Steve Nash is better over the last three years than 99% of the point gaurds who ever ran an offense.
 
gideon said:
Pound for pound and inch for inch Steve Nash is better over the last three years than 99% of the point gaurds who ever ran an offense.

Damn straight.

The main reason why im a huge Nash fan...following his career from Santa Clara he was always the underdog. 6'2" 190lbs (same size that I am) , drafted by the Suns and in the shadow of Jason Kidd and KJ. I like idolizing someone who is actually believable that you could actually be that person. Unlike pure raw talented players like Jordan or Kobe who are rather easy to idolize and follow....but idolizing someone like them is just plain unrealistic. With Nash, it's like yeah he's still human, and his *****in hard work and dedication got him to where he is at. It's no coincidence that at the point in his career when most people would be on a downhill slide due to age, Nash is putting up career numbers year after year.
 
gideon said:
Bodie - that BS about Johnson playing center in the playoffs was and is one of the great mythical legends in the history of the NBA. And like most mythical legends - IT IS A LIE. Having seen that game, there is a great deal more to playing center than merely going out for the opening tip and jumping for the ball. You watch a tape of that game and tell me if Johnson played center for the game. Its a crock. Pound for pound and inch for inch Steve Nash is better over the last three years than 99% of the point gaurds who ever ran an offense.

I saw the game.. Dont take away what my hero accomplished..Little angry?:cool:

Laker haters= :moon
 
Bodie The Cursed said:
I loved Shaq.. But he betrayed me.. Alot of the heat goes on Kobe for thier break up but I really do think it was Shaqs ego that led to his own departure.. He by far has the most fragile ego in the league..

Kobe was the main reason Shaq left. That last year before everybody left or retired, Kobe was a selffish, ballhoging a**hole. He wouldn' pass even if he got a million a pass, he was more concernd about shooting and getting in the top 10 play every game. He even poisend the minds of some of the other players because they also stopped passing to Shaq even though he was wide open... And i don't see how you can call him a trayder because he left. The lakers would have traded him antways, so they could give the "golden child" what he wanted, and Shaq just told them he wanted to go to Miami because they WANTED him there and wern't a bunch of *******.
 
Bodie - fact is that Johnson merely jumped for the ball at the start of each half. For the rest of the game he reverted to his normal on court role with a bit more up front than normal. But he was not a center. If going up for the opening jump balls means that is playing center, and it gives you some cheap thrill to think that, knock yourself out.
 
One more thing - Johnson grew up less than 75 miles from me and I saw him play in high school a few times. The fact that he had point gaurd skills with a power forward body was the key to his success. In high school its usually the opposite - guy with a gaurds height who tries to play up front and then is lost in college.

Johnson made himself an all-star by doing one thing that he could not do in college. When he came into the pros, it was quickly found out that he would only do two things once he put the ball down at the top of the key - 1, he would drive the lane for a layup, or 2, he would drive and pass off. He had no outside shot at all so defenders quickly learned to give him a few feet and only play tough the last eight feet. Sometime between his first and third year as a pro he worked very hard to develop a nice twelve foot shot that he could hit with regularity. That gave him a triple threat and helped him greatly.

He came in the same year as Larry Bird. Do some research and you will find out something interesting. Find out how many games the Lakers won the previous two years without Johnson. Then look at how many games the Celtics won in two years without Bird. That should tell you who was the real impact player.
 
Bodie The Cursed said:
I loved Shaq.. But he betrayed me.. Alot of the heat goes on Kobe for thier break up but I really do think it was Shaqs ego that led to his own departure.. He by far has the most fragile ego in the league..
I agree 100%.

Also see my reply to IronFingaz.

Bodie The Cursed said:
I saw the game.. Dont take away what my hero accomplished..Little angry?:cool:

Laker haters= :moon
Word!!! Magic is my hero too! :rock

IronFingaz said:
Kobe was the main reason Shaq left. That last year before everybody left or retired, Kobe was a selffish, ballhoging a**hole. He wouldn' pass even if he got a million a pass, he was more concernd about shooting and getting in the top 10 play every game. He even poisend the minds of some of the other players because they also stopped passing to Shaq even though he was wide open...
That's B.S., sorry man, but there was two reason Shaq left (besides not getting along with Kobe). 1) He was jealous of Kobe's contract extension, if you followed the Lakers at all you'd know that during an EXHIBITION game, he dunked the ball rather hard then looked over at Dr. Buss and yelled, "You gonna gimme my extension now!!". He still had like 3 years on his contract if I remember correctly. 2) Because Lakers management said they'd never trade Kobe. He threw a fit and thus led to his departure. Say what you will about Kobe, but without him Shaq would only have 1 ring with Miami.
 
For you diehard Laker fans........ a little comparison.
Both Ervin Johnson and Larry Bird entered the NBA in the 1979-80 year.
Here is a comparison of the teams they joined and the impact they had.

Los Angeles Lakers
1977/78 season 45 W 37 L
1978/79 season 47 W 35 L
1979/80 season 60 W 22 L

That means that the impact of Ervin Johnson on the Lakers was a PLUS of 15 wins from two years previously and a PLUS of 13 wins from the previous year without him.

Boston Celtics
1977/78 season 32 W 50 L
1978/79 season 29 W 53 L
1979/80 season 61 W 21 L

That means that the impact of Larry Bird on the Celtics was a PLUS of 29 wins from two years previously and a PLUS of 32 wins from the previous year without him. Bird helped the Celtics win as many games in one year than the team had done in the previous two seasons combined. Four of the starters were holdovers from that previous 29 win season. Bird was the only new starter.

I realize that this does not register on the "sweetness scale" or the "ohmygawd" scale but facts do not lie.
 
Hey gideon.. Stick your facts in here please.. :moon

To disrespect the Magic man means your opinion has no worth to me.

I know plenty about hoops.. I played Division 1 basketball and have been a fan of the NBA since the mid seventies.. You dont need to teach me anything. :rolleyes:
 
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