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I can't wait for the mods to clean up this crap...jlprjlpr, Blackthornone started a whole thread about flipping in the "Other Topics" thread found here: https://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71988 please take this very old, annoying, redundant, and dull debate there. I am sure Blackthornone will be happy to complain with him.

I don't think it will ever stop, and maybe it shouldn't. If one has no qualms or no moral issues with flipping his views shouldn't hold anyone back as they are his own. If someone goes on about buying alcohol you'll just laugh at them because it's prefectly legal.

I think avid collectors just get a little peeved when they can't obtain a piece and someone nonchalently writes that they ordered 3. I think it's because some actions directly affect the rights of others. It's natural and his views pertain directly to this hobby.

/goes off to make 20 sideshow accounts
 
Do you really have three? And if you do, why are you being so unhelpful. Why did you buy three? Why didn't you just buy one for yourself and let others who wanted one buy one? Now that you have them, why don't you offer them to friends you have made on this message board at retail?

Why are you denying others the opportunity to buy them at retail? I don't understand how someone can come on here and make an offer to sell something to fellow board members for more than double retail because they bought it up not giving the chance to others to buy it at retail originally. Shouldn't we all help each other to get what we want? Be a positive community instead of making it more difficult to get items that others want? I don't understand this behavior. Money isn't that important. Friendships and relationships are much more important. You know, there are other much more positive ways to make a living, like getting an education, and getting a job in something that you enjoy and that benefits others.

EVERYONE had the same opportunity to buy these when the preorders started. One can only blame themselves if it sold out before he/she got an order in.

And Nash is offering to help people out as long as they agree to help him out and pay the price he's asking.

As long as there is profit to be made, flippers will be around. Get used to it because complaining about it is about as productive as talking to a brick wall.

I've flipped, scalped, whatever you want to call it in the past. As long as I'm the one paying for my collection, no one is going to tell me what I can buy and/or sell. Now, if you're offering to fund my collection, we can draft a contract and you can tell me what's appropriate to buy and not flip/scalp/etc. Until then, enjoy your conversations with the brick wall.

As for your "there are more positive ways to make a living..." I seriously doubt anyone flipping/scalping/whatever is making a living off it....just supplementing their collection fund. BTW, I do have an education and a nice paying job...but if I can make a lil extra cheddar on the side you can bet yer azz I'll do it as long as it is legal.
 
You're not going to be able to prevent "flipping" or "scalping"... ever. It's a free market driven society, and I'm glad it is. I've done it myself plenty of times to help finance this hobby.

Since Dave (the mod) specified the rules (no selling or pre-orders at inflated prices), it's gotten a lot better. There used to be one member here, with the mcluvin avatar, that would sell his stuff immediately after it sold out and months before actual item is delivered. He wasn't very popular and eventually got banned. But there is nothing wrong with taken a limited item and selling it on Ebay for double what you paid for, if you decide to do that. Like I said, I've done that with a PZ Int PF, some 3A stuff, and others. Or you can decide to help out fellow board members, for cost plus shipping plus fees. I've also done that for a few members, whenever I could, and had the favor returned by a few members. Items that I knew I could have sold for a profit but decided to help some members out instead. I also consider the reward points from SS payment enough.

I think some members are just advertising it to rub it in blackthornone's face because he's so obsessed with anti-scalping that that's all he talks about. I have no problem with that and find it funny. I know I behaved similarly when I was able to get a PZ Ex.

If you think about it, when you sell your Doom PF here on the board for $1500-$2000, isn't that scalping, just waiting a little bit longer to do it? There may be a certain loose etiquette to follow to make it more acceptable.

my problem is when a board member, one you've had past successful transactions with, tells you that "yup we definitely have a deal" for a trade of a white Elektra for a Donatello, and then doesn't contact you when he decides to sell it on Ebay rather than keep his word. Real ____ move in my opinion. I realize I was probably getting the better end of the deal, but I thought a favor was being offered, and I gladly took it up, and stopped looking for another White Elektra. Now that they have gone to a price that I wont pay, I'm okay with knowing that I never will own one, and after the missed pre-order, I never was expecting to. The whole experience was valuable however, as I now know that this member's word is worth about $250 and greed rather than helping another member out is what motivates them.


i've gotten a couple of items from fellow members on here in the past couple months including the much talked about white Elektra:horror and ex. AH mystique. both people i've had dealings with in the past and have helped out one of them with the making of a General Grevious cape. (no biggy just some measurements and pics.) but bother members treated me quite fairly imo and over all i'm pleased with the way 95% of my transactions on this board have gone down.

that last part of your post Mesa doesn't sit well with me either and i've had more than a few members on this board voice their displeasure over some DONE deals that don't ever seem to get finalized or go sideways on them because SOMEONE backs out on them at the last minute or refuses to even respond to multiple pm's sent their way.
there is a certain business etiquette that is lacking with some people on this board. funny how most of these non-transactions revolve around one or maybe two people all the time.

i'm not talking about the FLIPPING situation either, just when people say they're going to do something, say it's yours or don't buy something from the person that has something on order from ssc only to find out after they have the piece in hand that the person whom said they'd take the item from them, can't even bother to let them know that they don't want it anymore.
 
I don't think it will ever stop, and maybe it shouldn't. If one has no qualms or no moral issues with flipping his views shouldn't hold anyone back as they are his own. If someone goes on about buying alcohol you'll just laugh at them because it's prefectly legal.

I think avid collectors just get a little peeved when they can't obtain a piece and someone nonchalently writes that they ordered 3. I think it's because some actions directly affect the rights of others. It's natural and his views pertain directly to this hobby.

/goes off to make 20 sideshow accounts


don't believe everything you read either, sometimes members (including myself) like to stir the waters sometimes.:monkey1:monkey1
though 3 orders isn't all that out of reach, but 5 to 10 :confused::confused: i highly doubt it, but maybe......:banana
 
I don't think it will ever stop, and maybe it shouldn't...
I think avid collectors just get a little peeved
when they can't obtain a piece and someone nonchalently writes that they ordered 3. I think it's because some actions directly affect the rights of others. It's natural and his views pertain directly to this hobby.

I understand why collectors get a little (or alot) peeved. The problems is that the antiflipper crowd _____es & moans, and _____es & moans in darn near every thread and it got old years ago. All you are doing is further derailing threads. I have made huge profits flipping some items, but I have also sold other preorders at or near cost. Do you really think 'flippers' are going to stop just because of complaining?

Get used to it because complaining about it is about as productive as talking to a brick wall.

I think this is my whole point.
 
don't believe everything you read either, sometimes members (including myself) like to stir the waters sometimes.:monkey1:monkey1
though 3 orders isn't all that out of reach, but 5 to 10 :confused::confused: i highly doubt it, but maybe......:banana

Yeah exactly, that's why people shouldn't act surprised when others chastise them for it.

If you were in the food line and there was a limited number of bowls of soup and you grab 3 by standing in line 3 times, when there is a sign that says 1 per person and let others go hungry, then they are gonna be repercussions and dissatisfied people. They have a right to voice their opinion as well as anyone. It's just funny people get in a huff about them getting miffed. :p I like it, good entertainment.
 
I understand why collectors get a little (or alot) peeved. The problems is that the antiflipper crowd _____es & moans, and _____es & moans in darn near every thread and it got old years ago. All you are doing is further derailing threads. I have made huge profits flipping some items, but I have also sold other preorders at or near cost. Do you really think 'flippers' are going to stop just because of complaining? .

bang on.........if people quit batching about it all the time then the people that have the 10 preorders (yeah right) would quit egging them on by posting such things.
 
as soon as i am in front of my computer the right time,i dont care about flippers.i suggest you do the same my friends.except of the flippers,there are always nice guys who can help other fellow freaks though!!!:banana:banana
 
as soon as i am in front of my computer the right time,i dont care about flippers.i suggest you do the same my friends.except of the flippers,there are always nice guys who can help other fellow freaks though!!!:banana:banana

:confused::confused::confused: ok you completely lost me on that one.........:angelsmil:angelsmil
 
Yeah exactly, that's why people shouldn't act surprised when others chastise them for it.

If you were in the food line and there was a limited number of bowls of soup and you grab 3 by standing in line 3 times, when there is a sign that says 1 per person and let others go hungry, then they are gonna be repercussions and dissatisfied people. They have a right to voice their opinion as well as anyone. It's just funny people get in a huff about them getting miffed. :p I like it, good entertainment.

food is a necessity, statues aren't... stupid argument.
 
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I understand why collectors get a little (or alot) peeved. The problems is that the antiflipper crowd _____es & moans, and _____es & moans in darn near every thread and it got old years ago. All you are doing is further derailing threads. I have made huge profits flipping some items, but I have also sold other preorders at or near cost. Do you really think 'flippers' are going to stop just because of complaining?



I think this is my whole point.

Free speech goes both ways.

If you put it that way flipping of a low ES item is more relevant to this thread than alot of the other banter going on which is really what keeps threads going.

If it's gotten old you can just voice your displeasure, but it's really their right to state their opinion on an open forum as often as they wish as it is yours to courteously rebuke them for doing so.

Sure flippers are not going to stop completely, but do you think people who voice their views versus them are going to stop because of complaining? That goes both ways as well.

/goes off to make another 20 sideshow accounts
 
...or don't buy something from the person that has something on order from ssc only to find out after they have the piece in hand that the person whom said they'd take the item from them, can't even bother to let them know that they don't want it anymore.
Dude, this has happened SO many times when I hold preorders for people. I still offer because I hate to just cancel and let it go to a random WL'er, but if I have any other last minute no-reply cancellations, I might stop. Maybe I should start posting in every thread complaints about people that do this! :rolleyes:
 
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food is a necessity, statues aren't... stupid argment.

Nah, if you can survive on one bowl of soup why is a second or third neccesity? You can replace soup with a sign saying '1 item per customer' if you want.

Essentially, SSC states 1 item per customer (or however many) and just relies on peoples morales to guide them, if people want to get around it by using multiple credit cards of family members or friends, it's really easy.
 
my problem is when a board member...tells you that "yup we definitely have a deal" for a trade of a white Elektra for a Donatello, and then doesn't contact you when he decides to sell it on Ebay rather than keep his word. Real ____ move in my opinion....The whole experience was valuable however, as I now know that this member's word is worth about $250 and greed rather than helping another member out is what motivates them.

Yeah...that is pretty darn low, especially from a longtime member who most of us "know." Funny how this person remains quiet and doesn't put in their side of the story...

I may flip items, but I know my word is worth more than $200 or so. Hmmm, hey Quad, even though I have shipped your item at the price we agreed upon last year, I want another $150! :lol
 
This flipper issue is old, at least older than a their unchanged(previously white) underwear. :sleep

It may be an old issue to those of you who have been on this message board a long time. But I haven't been here that long and quite frankly, I am amazed at the way that behavior that in most societies would be considered greedy, selfish, rude, etc. is not only tolerated but considered by many to be positive and something to be proud about. And if someone new like me mentions that they find scalping (call it what it is, it doesn't deserve the benign term flipper) to be in poor taste, I am told its an old boring issue and that I should take it to some ancient single thread where crazy people go to post. What kind of community is this that people have gotten used to such behavior?
 
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