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Go for it!
Darth_IMPoor
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Looks like only 600 reg. Sounds small for such a piece, being 1st Disney and all.
I put in for an exclusive. Hopefully it will get converted. Secondary market may be tough ($$$)
I put in for an exclusive. Hopefully it will get converted. Secondary market may be tough ($$$)
So thats an even smaller ES then I was expecting, making the whole total only 900. But since I have the Ex on order, I'm very happy with that. It's still a few to go around if need be, but small enough to keep its price and likely go much higher, as long as QC holds up.
Yet more signs this can be a killer line in a few years time.
Yet more signs this can be a killer line in a few years time.
Darth_IMPoor
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Given that, I went and put in for a regular too. If my Exclusive Waitlist gets converted, I'll cancel, but I very much want the piece and at least now I won't get shut out.
ProgMatinee
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ok. bare with me. but are they joking that the best they can do is sell 900 of these? really, is their marketing department so inept as that?
sure, I guess owning a rare item makes me feel special and increases the likelyhood of my item being valuable but for every $1 that sideshow didn't earn its $1 more they expect to make from some other of their product to make investors/owners happy.
Disney license is not small potatos. why is SSC treating it as such. this item should be sold in every gift shop at Disney parks and in every one of their mall shops.
Sorry, SSC, but keep to this trend, over the life of this license you are short changing yourselves MILLIONS of dollars which I guess you're going to now milk out of LOTR, SW, GI Joe and other 1/6th collectors there by killing your whole 1/6th market.
/shaking head in frustration. I warned everyone about this when SSC first announced their license. if they didn't market this line properly it was going to end up being a joke. theres no way they can afford this license if gross sales is less than $300,000 per release. sad. don't blame the collectors when this line gets cancelled as quick as the Jurassic park license. Blame the marketing department that couldn't sell a measly 5 or 10 to every little shop that sells Disney merch. I told you guys if they simply aimed at their typical customers of SSC Freaks and comic shops this line would not sell well. Shoot 900 units should have been the allotment to the gift shop next to the snow white ride all on its own for crying out loud.
Just don't get it as a company strategy. preparing for $5 price hike on 1/6th items because their owners need to recoup the expected earmings they had on this line. Thanks!
Edit: reread this and I know its vitriolic. This doesn't come from a HT or Medicom fan boy blasting a rival. 80% of my collectibles come from Sideshow. I desperately want to be able to afford their items. I desperately want to see a Tron PF, hell 3 or 4 Tron PFs. This frustration is from someone that sees their failure and worries its going to price me out or lead to an end of a line I collect.
edit edit : I really need someone to convince me that 900 items is not as bad an omen to SSC's future as I think it is. And yes I've been drinking!
sure, I guess owning a rare item makes me feel special and increases the likelyhood of my item being valuable but for every $1 that sideshow didn't earn its $1 more they expect to make from some other of their product to make investors/owners happy.
Disney license is not small potatos. why is SSC treating it as such. this item should be sold in every gift shop at Disney parks and in every one of their mall shops.
Sorry, SSC, but keep to this trend, over the life of this license you are short changing yourselves MILLIONS of dollars which I guess you're going to now milk out of LOTR, SW, GI Joe and other 1/6th collectors there by killing your whole 1/6th market.
/shaking head in frustration. I warned everyone about this when SSC first announced their license. if they didn't market this line properly it was going to end up being a joke. theres no way they can afford this license if gross sales is less than $300,000 per release. sad. don't blame the collectors when this line gets cancelled as quick as the Jurassic park license. Blame the marketing department that couldn't sell a measly 5 or 10 to every little shop that sells Disney merch. I told you guys if they simply aimed at their typical customers of SSC Freaks and comic shops this line would not sell well. Shoot 900 units should have been the allotment to the gift shop next to the snow white ride all on its own for crying out loud.
Just don't get it as a company strategy. preparing for $5 price hike on 1/6th items because their owners need to recoup the expected earmings they had on this line. Thanks!
Edit: reread this and I know its vitriolic. This doesn't come from a HT or Medicom fan boy blasting a rival. 80% of my collectibles come from Sideshow. I desperately want to be able to afford their items. I desperately want to see a Tron PF, hell 3 or 4 Tron PFs
. This frustration is from someone that sees their failure and worries its going to price me out or lead to an end of a line I collect.edit edit
: I really need someone to convince me that 900 items is not as bad an omen to SSC's future as I think it is. And yes I've been drinking!
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What you say makes sense, but I can also see a small es being a good thing. I believe someone had a nice post about why a low es will actually be good for the line because of oversaturation of Disney products or something like that. At any rate whoever it was and whatever they said it made sense to me.
Sorry ProgMatinee, but don't think I'm really going to agree with you there. While sure its a little lower then I expected, I see it more as a good way to ensure that the first PF sells out pretty well and creates a buzz about the line.
There is going to be plenty of PF's to come and its very unlikely that many will buy them all, so as time goes on, if one really doesn't have their heart set on the Evil Queen, then get the next one or the one after that. Plus no doubt some will have a higher ES then others, like say Jack Sparrow.
But I think it would have been way worse if the ES was super high like you had in mind. Masses of them would just sit on the shelf, the secondary market would be at rock bottom prices and no one would have much interest in it all as each new one is announced.
However, now, how many are going to be sitting back for hours when the next Disney EX goes up for sale?
There is going to be plenty of PF's to come and its very unlikely that many will buy them all, so as time goes on, if one really doesn't have their heart set on the Evil Queen, then get the next one or the one after that. Plus no doubt some will have a higher ES then others, like say Jack Sparrow.
But I think it would have been way worse if the ES was super high like you had in mind. Masses of them would just sit on the shelf, the secondary market would be at rock bottom prices and no one would have much interest in it all as each new one is announced.
However, now, how many are going to be sitting back for hours when the next Disney EX goes up for sale?
Dusty
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I'm not 100% sure, but I will say at this time: don't expect our Disney license items to be sold at the parks or in any 'official' Disney outlet. These items are intentionally meant to be kept limited in number and not flooded throughout the Disney market. They have plenty of other items flooding the market 
As the line progresses and more and more Disney collectors start hearing about it... after items start shipping, word of mouth spreads, etc... I think you will find the edition sizes going up a bit to accommodate that. If you think back to the start of the Star Wars license, or the Marvel license, or the LOTR license, etc. you will notice that trend. That, in essence, will probably make this Evil Queen the 'grail piece' - just as some of the early offerings in those other license are. But understand that Sideshow is very committed to keeping these items LIMITED as collectibles
As the line progresses and more and more Disney collectors start hearing about it... after items start shipping, word of mouth spreads, etc... I think you will find the edition sizes going up a bit to accommodate that. If you think back to the start of the Star Wars license, or the Marvel license, or the LOTR license, etc. you will notice that trend. That, in essence, will probably make this Evil Queen the 'grail piece' - just as some of the early offerings in those other license are. But understand that Sideshow is very committed to keeping these items LIMITED as collectibles
ProgMatinee
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I'm not 100% sure, but I will say at this time: don't expect our Disney license items to be sold at the parks or in any 'official' Disney outlet. These items are intentionally meant to be kept limited in number and not flooded throughout the Disney market. They have plenty of other items flooding the market
As the line progresses and more and more Disney collectors start hearing about it... after items start shipping, word of mouth spreads, etc... I think you will find the edition sizes going up a bit to accommodate that. If you think back to the start of the Star Wars license, or the Marvel license, or the LOTR license, etc. you will notice that trend. That, in essence, will probably make this Evil Queen the 'grail piece' - just as some of the early offerings in those other license are. But understand that Sideshow is very committed to keeping these items LIMITED as collectibles
Thank you for your response to my concern Dusty. While I'm actually kinda saddend that SSC ISN'T using this line as a cash cow to help keep something like LOTR 1/6 afloat, I am certainly glad the small edition size was not a crushing disappointment to SSC stakeholders or a failure of the sales department getting in contact with big buyers like Disney shops.
Again thanks. Sorry I was so upset, I frankly have never fully understood the whole "limited edition" market strategy. Coming from a traditional cost accounting education, its hard for me to contemplate not wanting to produce and sell as many units of something as possible increasing profit margins and such, they never really taught anything else...
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It will be interesting to see which style they choose for each figure. Characters from Disney films up through the 1950's were drawn more realistically (for the most part) and seem to translate pretty easily to PF form. Characters from the newer movies are more exaggerated. I wonder if they'll try and give the newer characters like Jafar more realistic looking sculpts (so they match the other PF's) or if they'll go for screen accuracy instead.
Dusty
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Thank you for your response to my concern Dusty. While I'm actually kinda saddend that SSC ISN'T using this line as a cash cow to help keep something like LOTR 1/6 afloat, I am certainly glad the small edition size was not a crushing disappointment to SSC stakeholders or a failure of the sales department getting in contact with big buyers like Disney shops.
Again thanks. Sorry I was so upset, I frankly have never fully understood the whole "limited edition" market strategy. Coming from a traditional cost accounting education, its hard for me to contemplate not wanting to produce and sell as many units of something as possible increasing profit margins and such, they never really taught anything else...
Well, I guess it simply comes down to your personal definition of "collectible"... more and more these days that term is thrown around very very loosely, be there 100 or 100,000 pieces made.
I am not privy to the details of the Disney license (nor any of our licenses for that matter), but Sideshow's business practice has always been to try as hard as we can to keep the item collectible yet not IMPOSSIBLE to attain. And it's a fine line to walk! But so far the model has been successful for the company.
You also have to remember, the more we sell, the more people we have to hire for customer service, quality control, shipping, wholesale sales, development, etc etc etc. So selling a ton of Disney stuff would not guarantee more cash for other licenses... it would mean expanding the company even more than it already has been expanded (it's nearly doubled in the 4 1/2 years I have been here)... and I have a feeling the owners kind of like keeping it on the smaller side so that they can foster a great company atmosphere and culture!... or maybe I'm just projecting because that's what *I* like and is one of the main reasons I work for Sideshow and not some giant corporation only interested in the bottom line
ProgMatinee
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I think you have to stay as close to the source as possible regardless of whether PFs look consistent or not. The animation style is very important IMO.
It needs to be screen accurate, for whichever character it happens to be, in fact, I'd demand it (you can pass that on Dusty).
In many ways I look at the movie posters as being a main source, they show exactly the same character as in the movie, in 'on model', but being a poster are what I would call a little more refined, rather then realistic.
So when it comes to Belle or the Beast, etc, what I'm looking for, is for that character to set out of the poster and come 'alive'. Giving me a true 3D 'capture' of the character, which by making a PF, the combination of polystone and real cloth makes that totally possible.
Based on the prototype, the Evil Queen has achieved just that, I truly hope that both its production version and all that follow turn out just as good. Combine that with tight control on edition size, good character choices and poses and in time the Disney PF line should end up being the best collectible line that Sideshow have ever produced.
So, no pressure then
Dusty
just me
Will pass it along
Also, please don't take my above comment as 100% fact/never-gonna-change. Sideshow IS constantly evolving and growing and adapting to the market - and Disney is so new for us that who knows what the future holds for all involved! I'm sure it will be exciting - and as a lover of Disneyana myself, I'm definitely very excited! But it is true that we are ultimately a collectible company that is attempting to walk a fine line - edition sizes are always a fun challenge!
Also, please don't take my above comment as 100% fact/never-gonna-change. Sideshow IS constantly evolving and growing and adapting to the market - and Disney is so new for us that who knows what the future holds for all involved! I'm sure it will be exciting - and as a lover of Disneyana myself, I'm definitely very excited! But it is true that we are ultimately a collectible company that is attempting to walk a fine line - edition sizes are always a fun challenge!
Cheers Dusty. And yes, I have no doubt it's a very fine line and even harder to judge with something new.
Then again, if it was a character that I really really want and executed just perfect, then frankly I wouldn't care what the edition size was, just as long as I can get one.
If you happen to be taking notes, then Belle and the Beast are at the very top of that want list
Then again, if it was a character that I really really want and executed just perfect, then frankly I wouldn't care what the edition size was, just as long as I can get one.
If you happen to be taking notes, then Belle and the Beast are at the very top of that want list
