EXO-6 Star Trek "General Discussion" 1/6 Line

[Kebron]

I don’t hate them enough to not buy them and ultimately as a Star Trek fan I’ll take what I can get. Just I don’t buy into the bs anymore.

Exactly! Not all the figures are perfect, but they are close enough IMO, they certainly aren't the dreck or crap that the hyperbole crowd claims.

As for Nanjin and what he says, just ignore him. Look for the picture updates and teases, and ignore the words he writes.

 

[afrog]

I don’t hate them enough to not buy them and ultimately as a Star Trek fan I’ll take what I can get. Just I don’t buy into the bs anymore.

I cannot imagine this Wesley figure being “massaged” enough to where it would look like Wesley. Certainly not a PO for me.

 

[Skyroes]

At the end of the day if any character from TNG had to take a hit, I’d rather it be this one. The jury is still out until the final product is released.

Beverly Crusher looked amazing at STLV but that didn’t translate into the official PO pictures at all, so maybe we’ll be surprised with Wesley.

I do agree with @Mike86 that they probably would’ve been a bit more successful in sculpting the other hairstyle. The value proposition could be better as well by including a duty uniform given the price point.

I’m not sure if I’ll pick him up either way, if the Ops and Conn stations are released, I’d probably just use Ro and Data in that setup. I think I’d rather spend the money on TNG O’Brien.

 

[Heavy Metal Spike]

I cannot imagine this Wesley figure being “massaged” enough to where it would look like Wesley. Certainly not a PO for me.

I'd take the "stabbed" ("Hide and Q") upgrade version - for some reason THAT has appeal

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[Mike86]

Despite all my complaints I did order Wesley. I’m going for the complete TNG set so had to. Only thing TNG I don’t have ordered yet is the chair.

 

[jlacivita]

At the end of the day if any character from TNG had to take a hit, I’d rather it be this one. The jury is still out until the final product is released.

Beverly Crusher looked amazing at STLV but that didn’t translate into the official PO pictures at all, so maybe we’ll be surprised with Wesley.

I do agree with @Mike86 that they probably would’ve been a bit more successful in sculpting the other hairstyle. The value proposition could be better as well by including a duty uniform given the price point.

I’m not sure if I’ll pick him up either way, if the Ops and Conn stations are released, I’d probably just use Ro and Data in that setup. I think I’d rather spend the money on TNG O’Brien.

Agree with all of this, although I’m guessing the price point is just inflation.

Wesley wasn’t on my list and I’d I decided to display both Conn & Ops, it’ll be Ro for me (although I can’t imagine her without a phaser pointed outward)

 

[jlacivita]

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The QMx sculpt looks even better if you don’t place them right next to one another. Makes the slight size difference unnoticeable.

 

[StarDude]

For the price point, these sculpts should be a bit better imo. Janeway was soft. Sisco looked off to me. Paris, Kim...who am I missing? I would give them a pass for sure if the price was closer to the $150-$175 mark but the new point of entry is over $200. For that, they should be offering a higher standard on the sculpts. That's to say nothing of the paint apps. His entry price seems to be about $220 dollars for a figure with 6 hands and some rehashed accessories. That's only about $55 dollars from HTs entry price.

I'm not saying he should drop his prices. I'm saying he should tweak the value proposition. He does cut and sew really well. The collectors really value good/great sculpts. I think there is room for improvements for some of the sculpts he delivers.

Hot Toys has bulk. Probably over 20x the sales easy. The bulk let's them put more money into quality.
You'll never see them quite match Hot Toys quality and/or extras. That said Hot Toys has some potatoes too that really miss the mark.

 

[afrog]

Hot Toys has bulk. Probably over 20x the sales easy. The bulk let's them put more money into quality.
You'll never see them quite match Hot Toys quality and/or extras. That said Hot Toys has some potatoes too that really miss the mark.

Yes, nevertheless, considering these prices, and all the braggadocio from NT and his focus on and passion for Star Trek, I expect better than this.

 

[StarDude]

Yes, nevertheless, considering these prices, and all the braggadocio from NT and his focus on and passion for Star Trek, I expect better than this.

Well I'd argue your expectations are widely unrealistic and would require more money which would see the figures probably become unprofitable. This isn't a charity. In fact I think it's possibly the best case scenario. Rabid fan with money wants to make the figures, and not only of the big characters, but obscure and less popular ones too. Rabid fan develops strategy of slow growth that prioritised less popular figures first to seed the next, and the next, and the next rather than go with Kirk and Spock from day one requiring significantly more investment, only for the biggest part of the market to be done already, meaning less sales of less popular characters which increases the chance they don't get made and other investors aren't interested. Blablabla...

In fact I think he's doing as good as someone can dowl without throwing money away.

There's so much needless, unreasonable, and uneducated anti-Nanjin stuff and so much hate against the strategies he uses that... I hereby declare after seeing how crazy this forum is, I am completely PRO NANJIN AND PRO HIS STRATEGIES. I may not fully understand them, but it seems to be working. Keep it up Nanjin!

Imma invoke the verbage he uses and tell you "E"xperts to stop complaining and enjoy what you've got! Heh

 

[JohnnyStarTrek]

If Wesley Crusher was the Greatest Ever produced 1/6 figure in history, I still wouldn't purchase him. So, Im.not going to be too critical ☺

 

[davejames]

Well I'd argue your expectations are widely unrealistic and would require more money which would see the figures probably become unprofitable. This isn't a charity. In fact I think it's possibly the best case scenario. Rabid fan with money wants to make the figures, and not only of the big characters, but obscure and less popular ones too. Rabid fan develops strategy of slow growth that prioritised less popular figures first to seed the next, and the next, and the next rather than go with Kirk and Spock from day one requiring significantly more investment, only for the biggest part of the market to be done already, meaning less sales of less popular characters which increases the chance they don't get made and other investors aren't interested. Blablabla...

In fact I think he's doing as good as someone can dowl without throwing money away.

There's so much needless, unreasonable, and uneducated anti-Nanjin stuff and so much hate against the strategies he uses that... I hereby declare after seeing how crazy this forum is, I am completely PRO NANJIN AND PRO HIS STRATEGIES. I may not fully understand them, but it seems to be working. Keep it up Nanjin!

Imma invoke the verbage he uses and tell you "E"xperts to stop complaining and enjoy what you've got! Heh

Yeah I'm starting to agree. We can be frustrated with some of the decisions and sculpts all we want (and I'm sure I will be many times in the future), but ultimately this one guy's tenacity is the only reason we're getting these Trek figures at all. And so far I've been impressed with FAR more of his work than not, understanding of course that he's got deadlines and only a certain number of great 3D sculptors to work with, so naturally some sculpts will end up stronger than others, and there are only so many improvements that he has time to make.

I'm sure he'd love to have the time and budget of HT, but I'd say he's still doing a pretty solid job with the resources he has.

 

[yruh8n]

If you ever talk to anyone involved in producing or marketing product based on appearance, they will tell you "you never get a second chance to make a first impression". If a company goes to the time and expense of creating a prototype they aren't going to photograph and market it if it isn't what they feel is their 100% best effort. The only possible exception to this would be unveiling a new product at SDCC or some other big event when it may or may not be ready to show.. Expecting a product to turn out better in hand than what was shown to convince one to buy it is a fool's errand. Mass production of figures and statues always leads to some loss of detail. Painters in most factories can't match the paint master created by a professional artist. In most cases a product reveled as a "pre-order" has likely already gone into pre-production and can't be changed. If the factory samples come back anywhere close to the prototype and paint master they are approved, because by that point in time the company is too deep into the production and needs to get the item out to fund the next projects. Expecting a company to change a product that has already been gone over by professional sculptors, painters, and art directors based on random fan observations isn't going to happen. Companies like to spread good will by suggesting a product was changed or improved due to fan reaction when it was probably something decided internally, or it wasn't changed at all.

 

[Clutters]

If Exo-6 reveal that they will use a smaller body for Wesley with narrower shoulders, I'll pre-order. I have no issues with the head sculpt.

 

[Kebron]

If you ever talk to anyone involved in producing or marketing product based on appearance, they will tell you "you never get a second chance to make a first impression". If a company goes to the time and expense of creating a prototype they aren't going to photograph and market it if it isn't what they feel is their 100% best effort. The only possible exception to this would be unveiling a new product at SDCC or some other big event when it may or may not be ready to show.. Expecting a product to turn out better in hand than what was shown to convince one to buy it is a fool's errand. Mass production of figures and statues always leads to some loss of detail. Painters in most factories can't match the paint master created by a professional artist. In most cases a product reveled as a "pre-order" has likely already gone into pre-production and can't be changed. If the factory samples come back anywhere close to the prototype and paint master they are approved, because by that point in time the company is too deep into the production and needs to get the item out to fund the next projects. Expecting a company to change a product that has already been gone over by professional sculptors, painters, and art directors based on random fan observations isn't going to happen. Companies like to spread good will by suggesting a product was changed or improved due to fan reaction when it was probably something decided internally, or it wasn't changed at all.

That's true for most companies, but Exo-6 has proven they are not most companies. It's a fact that they do refinements on headsculpts from pre order to release. Other companies have too, it's not like this is the first company to do this.

Pretty much everyone here has been burned from seeing a prototype pre order figure look amazing and then get disappointed at the release in the drop of quality, I'd rather the Exo6 approach of the figure being better then preorder pics, or at worst the same level as the preorder pics.

 

[Kebron]

For the price point, these sculpts should be a bit better imo. Janeway was soft. Sisco looked off to me. Paris, Kim...who am I missing? I would give them a pass for sure if the price was closer to the $150-$175 mark but the new point of entry is over $200. For that, they should be offering a higher standard on the sculpts. That's to say nothing of the paint apps. His entry price seems to be about $220 dollars for a figure with 6 hands and some rehashed accessories. That's only about $55 dollars from HTs entry price.

I'm not saying he should drop his prices. I'm saying he should tweak the value proposition. He does cut and sew really well. The collectors really value good/great sculpts. I think there is room for improvements for some of the sculpts he delivers.

Janeway was 190, Sisko was 180 or 215, Paris and Kim are both 170. All aside from the Sisko that came with all the extras are within or close to you 150 to 175 mark.

If Nanjin could produce these at the level of Hot Toys the price point would be lower. Factories offer discounts on bigger productions. Hot Toys produce things in the several thousands or higher, Exo 6 figures don't. That why you see Exo 6 figures sell out relatively quickly.

 

[afrog]

Imma invoke the verbage he uses and tell you "E"xperts to stop complaining and enjoy what you've got! Heh

That is a ridiculous statement. Thanks, but no thanks! My standards are not unreasonable. I am not an “e-xpert” but I know what falls short of success. I simply expect a figure of Wesley at a minimum to look like Wesley. Sorry, but that’s not too much to ask for. I am not criticizing those who like the figure. Knock yourselves out.

 

[Kebron]

That is a ridiculous statement. Thanks, but no thanks! My standards are not unreasonable. I am not an “e-xpert” but I know what falls short of success. I simply expect a figure of Wesley at a minimum to look like Wesley. Sorry, but that’s not too much to ask for. I am not criticizing those who like the figure. Knock yourselves out.

I read this to mean he's tired of the hyperbole and excessive hate, like many of us here are. Constructive criticism, and civil discourse is fine, it's the "Nanjin is a A$$H01e, and his figures are $h1T" type of comments, and the constant whining about him that people are tired of.

 

[afrog]

I read this to mean he's tired of the hyperbole and excessive hate, like many of us here are. Constructive criticism, and civil discourse is fine, it's the "Nanjin is a A$$H01e, and his figures are $h1T" type of comments, and the constant whining about him that people are tired of.

What the H does that have to do with what I said, which is, to me, this looks nothing like Wesley, sο I will not be ordering? Τalk about hyperbole!

 

[Kebron]

What the H does that have to do with what I said, which is, to me, this looks nothing like Wesley, sο I will not be ordering? Τalk about hyperbole!

Well....you didnt just say he looks nothing like Wesley. Here's just one quote from you.

"Absolutely laughable! This figure takes the cake, hands down. Along with a pie in the face! If that looks like Wesley I look like Elvis!"


That's just one of several quotes. You been hammering on about how bad Wesley is a lot. Are you free to do that? Of course, but he is also free to call you on it, they are your words after all, no need to pearl clutch.