EXO-6 Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country Figures

[Johnny Utah]

Same ******** with Kelvin timeline figures. He has an obsession with Beyond, but the first two films have better uniforms and villains. He'll make Jaylah, but not Krall. Away uniforms, but not duty uniforms.

 

[IBM5100]

I couldn't care less about the Kelvin timeline, it's manufactured Trek. The original cast naturally started the movie series and then the Next Generation crew naturally took over when they were done. The new movies just took actors and put them in iconic roles and we were supposed to accept it.

 

[davejames]

The Kelvin films definitely take a ton of liberties and don't feel entirely like Trek.... but I still thought they were pretty fun and I liked most of the casting. So I'll be getting whatever figures he decides to make.

 

[Sarge]

I couldn't care less about the Kelvin timeline, it's manufactured Trek. The original cast naturally started the movie series and then the Next Generation crew naturally took over when they were done. The new movies just took actors and put them in iconic roles and we were supposed to accept it.

Time marches on, and new actors are inevitable. What I didn't like was the way they took established things and just blew them up just to make them "cool" for the kiddies. Hey look! We can beam across the galaxy! Hey look! MY new Enterprise is 10 times bigger than the old TV Enterprise! Hey look! We'll make a cadet that hasn't even graduated the academy the Captain of the Enterprise, bypassing hundreds of other more experienced and qualified people! Hey look, we'll have an engine room that looks just like and ancient beer factory! JJ Abrams destroys everything he touches, and **** like that gives me the red ass, same as discovery and in some cases SNW with a Pikes cabin being the size of the hanger deck. Needless to say, I won't be buying those figures.

 

[StarDude]

Complain about the scale of the enterprise app you want. I basically agree. But have you SEEN the turbo lift scene in Discovery?!

You want TRAVESTY? Look no further!!!

 

[davejames]

Yeah I enjoy a lot of nuTrek, but it's continually frustrating to see all these monstrously huge rooms in every starship now, as it really takes away from the believability and that sense of watching a crew traveling through the depths of space on a confined ship. And I find myself having to fight a lot harder to suspend my disbelief now.

 

[Skyroes]

Complain about the scale of the enterprise app you want. I basically agree. But have you SEEN the turbo lift scene in Discovery?!

You want TRAVESTY? Look no further!!!

I never got fully invested in any of the newer series aside from Picard S3 however there’s been a flurry of articles as of late about the finale of Lower Decks and how it suggests Discovery has been “de-canonized” but I view it as being in an alternate timeline.

Spoiler

Lower Decks mentions a multiverse and the Kling-Orcs as seen in Discovery are referenced.

To a person who has seen TOS and Berman Trek, that’s always been obvious as it’s ludicrous to buy into the idea that it predates TOS as we know it given the technology differences and the elephant in the room being the Constitution Class.

 

[davejames]

I never got fully invested in any of the newer series aside from Picard S3 however there’s been a flurry of articles as of late about the finale of Lower Decks and how it suggests Discovery has been “de-canonized” but I view it as being in an alternate timeline.

Spoiler

Lower Decks mentions a multiverse and the Kling-Orcs as seen in Discovery are referenced.

To a person who has seen TOS and Berman Trek, that’s always been obvious as it’s ludicrous to buy into the idea that it predates TOS as we know it given the technology differences and the elephant in the room being the Constitution Class.

I really doubt that's what they were trying to say there. More likely it was just a reality where every Klingon looks like that and not just one group like we saw in DSC.

 

[Reflector]

Time marches on, and new actors are inevitable. What I didn't like was the way they took established things and just blew them up just to make them "cool" for the kiddies. Hey look! We can beam across the galaxy! Hey look! MY new Enterprise is 10 times bigger than the old TV Enterprise! Hey look! We'll make a cadet that hasn't even graduated the academy the Captain of the Enterprise, bypassing hundreds of other more experienced and qualified people! Hey look, we'll have an engine room that looks just like and ancient beer factory! JJ Abrams destroys everything he touches, and **** like that gives me the red ass, same as discovery and in some cases SNW with a Pikes cabin being the size of the hanger deck. Needless to say, I won't be buying those figures.

Beyond is a decent Trek movie imo, but I totally agree with all this. Beyond not having most of this specific idiocy is a part of what elevates it to me-- you can more or less watch it as a TOS story that even builds on ENT, unlike the obnoxiously crass slap-in-the-face 2-hour non sequitur that was Into Darkness.

 

[Jgg1701]

We cab always dream?

-Jim

 

[DParga21]

I never got fully invested in any of the newer series aside from Picard S3 however there’s been a flurry of articles as of late about the finale of Lower Decks and how it suggests Discovery has been “de-canonized” but I view it as being in an alternate timeline.

Spoiler

Lower Decks mentions a multiverse and the Kling-Orcs as seen in Discovery are referenced.

To a person who has seen TOS and Berman Trek, that’s always been obvious as it’s ludicrous to buy into the idea that it predates TOS as we know it given the technology differences and the elephant in the room being the Constitution Class.

I always thought that was a terrible way to look at it.
Look, it's all canon. The DSC Klingons were less of a departure than the TMP Klingons. It just is what it is.
I agree about the room sizes seeming crazy, but I chalk that up to it being easier to shoot in larger rooms.

 

[JohnnyStarTrek]

I always thought that was a terrible way to look at it.
Look, it's all canon. The DSC Klingons were less of a departure than the TMP Klingons. It just is what it is.
I agree about the room sizes seeming crazy, but I chalk that up to it being easier to shoot in larger rooms.

The only Canon that matters is your personal canon! The studio can vomit out whatever product they want; WE can decide what we accept!
Kirk's death in Generations? NOT CANON!
Any & All Kurtzman/ JJ Trek? NOT CANON!
70's & 80's Bantam/Pocket Books? CANON!

 

[davejames]

The only Canon that matters is your personal canon! The studio can vomit out whatever product they want; WE can decide what we accept!
Kirk's death in Generations? NOT CANON!
Any & All Kurtzman/ JJ Trek? NOT CANON!
70's & 80's Bantam/Pocket Books? CANON!

Eh I'm fine just ignoring the stuff I don't like while still accepting it as the "official canon." Although personally for me that's not something I've run into much with Trek... unlike with SW and the MCU which has far more offensively bad stuff in it by this point.

 

[Pauln6a]

We cab always dream?

-Jim

I think the dramatic combat music works well but I really hate a lot of the characterisation in NuTrek. Beyond fekt like it was trolling the writers of the previous movies with intentionally silly things like shooting a problem.

One thing I noticed was that I was way more invested in the fate of the old style derelict than any of the fancy new ships.

It's a submarine in space. Blame TNG for turning the ship into a cruise ship with Jacuzzis.

 

[DParga21]

Eh I'm fine just ignoring the stuff I don't like while still accepting it as the "official canon." Although personally for me that's not something I've run into much with Trek... unlike with SW and the MCU which has far more offensively bad stuff in it by this point.

There is "canon" stuff i ignore.
Pike wanting to be an Orion slave trader, for one.
The "death penalty" for visiting Talos 4.
Planet to planet beaming.
Romulus being destroyed by a supernova that would wipe out the whole stupid
Galaxy (Thankfully that's already been retconned)

 

[TheClient]

Romulus being destroyed by a supernova that would wipe out the whole stupid
Galaxy (Thankfully that's already been retconned)

That was retconned? I thought it was upheld in PICARD that Romulus was destroyed by a supernova.

 

[TheClient]

I always thought that was a terrible way to look at it.
Look, it's all canon. The DSC Klingons were less of a departure than the TMP Klingons. It just is what it is.
I agree about the room sizes seeming crazy, but I chalk that up to it being easier to shoot in larger rooms.

Completely agree.

Canon, Schmanon. If you dwell on the distinction too much, you'll go crazy.

Spock was "Vulcainian", not Vulcan, for like the entire first season of TOS. You just gotta roll with it sometimes.

 

[DParga21]

That was retconned? I thought it was upheld in PICARD that Romulus was destroyed by a supernova.

Sort of. They changed it from a galaxy-destroying supernova to just Romulus's sun going Nova

 

[davejames]

There is "canon" stuff i ignore.
Pike wanting to be an Orion slave trader, for one.
The "death penalty" for visiting Talos 4.
Planet to planet beaming.
Romulus being destroyed by a supernova that would wipe out the whole stupid
Galaxy (Thankfully that's already been retconned)

Suppose I'd add the ridiculous "women can't be captains" thing from Turnabout Intruder.
And all of Code of Honor. Lol

 

[TheClient]

Sort of. They changed it from a galaxy-destroying supernova to just Romulus's sun going Nova

I always thought it was always a potential galaxy-destroyer.... but the actions of Spock Prime from the 2009 movie stopped it before it could get any further than destroying Romulus.