Explosion in Boston?

[Frank]

There is no consensus as such, opinions vary here as much as they do in the US or more.

My view, which is shared by many, is that yes, Osama and Al Qaeda were very much real threats, but they are the product of US foreign policy. They don't exist in isolation. In fact Osama himself was a CIA creation to begin with.

The war on terror is mostly a scam. Saudi hijackers responsible for 9/11 yet Afghanistan takes the hit, some targeted strikes against training camps there would have sufficed. Not a full blown invasion which has worsened the security and economic situation of the entire region.

Iraq was a full blown oil grab. Plain and simple.

Admire ordinary Americans and their spirit of liberty and free thinking. Hate the hypocrisy of the US government. Drone program = state sponsored terrorism. Hate our government for secretly supporting the drone program in exchange for aid and other favours.

So yeah, those are my views but you'll find they are replicated in a significant proportion of the educated population in Pakistan.

In the uneducated tribal population (much of which is not even aware that something called 9/11 once happened) - the only way the current generation knows Americans is through the drone program. That makes for a lot of hate in that section of the populace.

The Bin Laden family were power players well before 9/11. Salem Bin Laden once had his company invest in Bush Junior's oil company in the 80s and would go on to die... in Texas... in a plane crash. In politics connections are everything. We have warlords too but they wear more camouflauge than a sniper in a ghillie suit.

Over in Boston they are rightfully going through all and any connections the Tsarnaev brothers had, but I guarantee very few of our political leaders could stand up to the same scrutiny.

 

[devilof76]

Keith, there are too many reasons to not help Israel survive for me to turn isolationist.

People fail to see the connection on Israel.

We ARE Israel. Israel is US.

You think the US would so blindly support a country the way we do Israel?

You're just annoying me at this point. You aren't making arguments and you aren't making sense. You are, however, making great strides toward achieving Rev. Blackthornone status. Congratulations.

 

[The Chaver]

Keith, there are too many reasons to not help Israel survive for me to turn isolationist.



You're just annoying me at this point. You aren't making arguments and you aren't making sense. You are, however, making great strides toward achieving Rev. Blackthornone status. Congratulations.

It's very simple logic man. You want to control a region, you do what they did with Israel after WWII and you use that to your advantage. Placing them there as our watch dogs in the middle east was pure genius.

 

[devilof76]

'Simple' is a good choice of words.

 

[intothevoid]

The Bin Laden family were power players well before 9/11. Salem Bin Laden once had his company invest in Bush Junior's oil company in the 80s and would go on to die... in Texas... in a plane crash. In politics connections are everything. We have warlords too but they wear more camouflauge than a sniper in a ghillie suit.

Over in Boston they are rightfully going through all and any connections the Tsarnaev brothers had, but I guarantee very few of our political leaders could stand up to the same scrutiny.

I know about those connections to the BL family. Very murky stuff.

And the same is true of our political leaders. That is why I'm voting for Imran Khan's PTI in the coming election this Saturday. The status quo parties have done nothing but loot and plunder our country for their personal benefit. In Imran Khan I see a true leader with the best interests of the country at heart. Very rare.

 

[Lejuan]

Support for no one. Not a single country. That's the only way. At least in my humble opinion.

Sometimes it's smart to support another country in various ways so that the favour can be returned. Country A gives Country B a half billion dollars in aid. Country B facilitates copper mining investment (for example) from Country A, ahead of any competitors. Swings and roundabouts. Isolationism minimises risk in some areas at the expense of others

 

[devilof76]

I think you may have just identified the principle underlying all international political corruption.

Per Saudi/Bush murkiness...I think it's called oil. As I understand it, Sammy Bin Laden was kicked out of all that. He had as much a problem with American oil connections as they had with him. What's truly murky are the Saud connections to Wahhabism. They allegedly export it, but refuse to give up their own power to let it reign in Saudi Arabia? Why would they want to increase the fundamentalists' power, when the fundamentalists oppose them? That's be like the Shah supporting Khomeini.

 

[Kai]

I don't think its the ai

 

[The Ween]

No kidding. Satan is a popular one, I've heard.



How exactly, indeed.



Notice our hands not so full of Iraqi oil.

Most American oil comes from Venezuela. Just throwing that out there.

 

[The Ween]

My solution is an easy one. Stop supporting other countries. Period. No money no aid, nothing. If there is war let them fight it out. No matter what. Simple.

I've been saying that for a long time but usually get ripped for it.

I'd close the borders too, but that's just me.

 

[316what]

There are still thousands of hits on this subject in every forum imaginable and when something like the new internet tax that's about to be passed doesn't have a got damn chance of conversation anywhere.

You people are retarded. You should just go jump off the bridge and get the hell out of the way. Have some damn ***** and stop letting them brainwash you with this garbage.

There is no Osama Bin Laden. There is no Al Queada. There's nothing to be ****ing afraid of. Its all being put inside your little heads. Smoke a joint and wake the **** up.

The Holocaust didn't happen either did it?

 

[The Chaver]

https://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Worcester_Should_Please_Shut_Up



STFU.

 

[Vitus]

Dead is not enough. Burn the remains as well.

 

[The Ween]

https://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Worcester_Should_Please_Shut_Up



STFU.

Why doesn't his wife just have him cremated and keep the ashes herself?

Also, a cemetary has the right to refuse to bury anyone. They're a business. They probably no the gravesite would be messed with anyway.

 

[pixletwin]

I don't think she wants anything to do with him or his remains.

 

[Lejuan]

I think you may have just identified the principle underlying all international political corruption.

I think that political corruption is more related to transparency or a lack thereof, but I accept it was a clumsy example. Free trade agreements, preferred trading partners, military exercises, diplomatic communications, intelligence etc... there are plenty of ways countries exchange favours, and isolationism denies a country certain opportunities.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

My solution is an easy one. Stop supporting other countries. Period. No money no aid, nothing. If there is war let them fight it out. No matter what. Simple.

International relations is a two way street...

Sometimes it's smart to support another country in various ways so that the favour can be returned. Country A gives Country B a half billion dollars in aid. Country B facilitates copper mining investment (for example) from Country A, ahead of any competitors. Swings and roundabouts. Isolationism minimises risk in some areas at the expense of others

Agreed, nothing is done just for the good of it.

Much of the problems come from governments concerning themselves with other countries populace over their own

 

[devilof76]

It's certainly made a mess of the UK.

I think that political corruption is more related to transparency or a lack thereof, but I accept it was a clumsy example. Free trade agreements, preferred trading partners, military exercises, diplomatic communications, intelligence etc... there are plenty of ways countries exchange favours, and isolationism denies a country certain opportunities.

I agree that it's better to be a part of the world. I also believe in ostracizing those who suck at playing with others. Ultimately, government shouldn't play a role in international relations unless trouble rears its head. The only reason why a company in one country should need government assistance when dealing with companies in another country is self-defense.

 

[surfin4]

I wouldn't stop sending aid to Israel. To hell with the rest of them.



Right. Because we didn't lose billions on Iraq and Afghanistan.

You can create money you cant create oil, its not like the dollars backed by gold more like the yen lolz

 

[devilof76]

The Chinese currency is the yuan. Also, do you have a point?