Fantastic Four reboot

[Rulk]

I hope singer doesn't **** up Apocalypse like he did Superman

 

[jye4ever]

Not horrible

But bad probably sums it up

End fight ruined entire movie.

They tried... Better than Daredevil and Punisher at least

Wow, I like the TJ Punisher movie.

You know no matter how bad this movie it is I don't know that I'll ever be able to hate it because I'll always know that it was solely responsible for saving Star Wars from Trank. Now I almost feel like I owe it a favor or something.

You have such a magical way of putting things.

 

[Khev]

You have such a magical way of putting things.

Now I can just sit back, watch FF, and no matter how bad it is I can just keep repeating, "that could have been Han Solo, and that could have been Han Solo, and THAT could have been Han Solo..." with a total sigh of relief that now it never will be.

I'm not that excited about all these SW spin-off films in the first place but I do NOT need to see some found footage anthology film of Han as a kid showing how his older brother used to beat him with a pipe shouting "laugh it up fuzzball" or whatever Han's catchphrase is.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I hope singer doesn't **** up Apocalypse like he did Superman

 

[Gully Foyle]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then

If by "we" you mean yourself and 99% of the population, then YES.

But you've backpedaled so much over the past few pages that I can't say I know where you stand.
(First it's better than AoU & Ant Man, then it's obviously deeply flawed.)

I agree that the pacing and structure of the film are completely WTF?
It does indeed feel like the final cut became a truncated Frankenstein due to studio interference.
But the first act is one long, dull cliche. The characters are cardboard and divorced from the source material.
The film constantly panders to a teen/tween audience. (Instagram references? Drunken explorers? The Frat-tastic four?)
And the average-age-29-year-old actors are laughably cast as nineteen year-olds.
If Cronenberg had the cast of Beverly Hills 90210 and the worst script since Hudson Hawk, he still would have made a better picture.


It's a truly steaming pile to behold.
Fans of bad movies & MSTK3 may wish to indulge, but if you're a fan of the FF (especially of Dr. Doom) then you may emerge Kurtz-like from the experience . . .

Ya been warned, kids.
___

 

[pturtle]

Not horrible

But bad probably sums it up

End fight ruined entire movie.

They tried... Better than Daredevil and Punisher at least

You can tell someone else directed the 3rd act right?

Did you think the movie had any redeeming qualities.

 

[Khev]

I haven't read all the details of the "third act" fiasco. Is Trank claiming that there is a finished film that he showed the studio that had a completely different finale? Meaning that theoretically that cut could see the light of day at whatever point in the future?

 

[jye4ever]

Han as a kid showing how his older brother used to beat him with a pipe shouting "laugh it up fuzzball" or whatever Han's catchphrase is.

 

[Rulk]

Redeeming qualities

They tried establishing a backstory between Reed and Ben that I thought was a little endearing

I liked the casting for Reed and Sue and Franklin

I liked that the four didn't know each other or were best buddies in grade school

I liked the special effects

I also liked Reed unlike the last films, he seemed more wise guy ish than Johnny Storm

The pacing was good in the first act I also liked how their powers manifested this time around

 

[pturtle]

I don't think he's claiming the ending wasn't his, he's pretty much disowning the entire thing

But supposedly the third act was changed up quite a bit, some of the original third act is in the first trailer. The ending to the movie we got just doesn't make sense or fit with the rest of the movie.

 

[Rulk]

Doom was horrible

Cool that he explodes head though

 

[crows]

I'm bending towards the idea of Fox ruining Trank's vision, I remember at the beginning all the talk about this being influenced by Cronenberg and everything, being a bit on the horror side, that idea appealed to me, since I care not at all for the Fantastic Four, and trailer after trailer that wasn't what we were getting at all, except but glimpses, turning more into a typical CBM every time.

So I don't know, the dude did a really good job with Chronicle, good characters, good interactions, good script (Landis), seems like a weird turn to go from that to make an incoherent mess of a movie, IDK sounds like documentary material.

I'm sure Fox would prefer to keep it in-house rather than share any of the profits with Disney, their sworn arch-enemy.

You have to understand, out of all the major studios, Fox is the MOST notorious for wanting to get a lot of profits quickly, playing hardball with rights issues and not caring who's getting stepped on in the process.

They regularly bully directors and writers into submission (see: any franchise they've ever had a hand in outside of Star Wars) and sue the crap out of fans doing anything with their IP, profit or non-profit.

They are generally seen as the definition of greedy corporate ***** in Hollywood.

They have the freedom to do that because they're also arguably the biggest and richest studio.

Stepping down to collaborate with the people they see as beneath them because they can't get something right would be hugely humiliating and they would, like Sony, still be stuck with paying half the bill

The only reason Sony even agreed was as a publicity stunt to recoup from the hack/leaks that seriously hurt their brand by showing everyone what idiots they are.

Fox hasn't been hurt in the slightest, they're a faceless giant by comparison and can still blame Trank as a loose cannon who ruined "their" IP.

I honestly really doubt if there will ever be a deal between Fox and Marvel on the F4 franchise simply out of pride.

Fox might just as well just keep the series on the hold and churn out something fast and cheap to retain the rights every now and then just to spite Disney.

If anything, they might be more willing to outsource the series to independent production outfits next so that they can screw them over via Hollywood accounting, paying for half the bill but keeping ALL the profits.

"You, production company A, will supply the funding for production expenses while the 20th Century Fox Corporation supplies distribution and marketing costs in exchange for exclusive rights. In return, you get net points. screw you."

 

[Rulk]

******** looking Tin Borat

 

[jye4ever]

Thing didn't disintegrate a Tank, he disintegrated Trank.

 

[pturtle]

I'm sure Fox would prefer to keep it in-house rather than share any of the profits with Disney, their sworn arch-enemy.

You have to understand, out of all the major studios, Fox is the MOST notorious for wanting to get a lot of profits quickly, playing hardball with rights issues and not caring who's getting stepped on in the process.

They regularly bully directors and writers into submission (see: any franchise they've ever had a hand in outside of Star Wars) and sue the crap out of fans doing anything with their IP, profit or non-profit.

They are generally seen as the definition of greedy corporate ***** in Hollywood.

They have the freedom to do that because they're also arguably the biggest and richest studio.

Stepping down to collaborate with the people they see as beneath them because they can't get something right would be hugely humiliating and they would, like Sony, still be stuck with paying half the bill and getting half the profits.

The only reason Sony agreed to it was as a publicity stunt to recoup from the hack attack and leaks that seriously hurt their brand by showing everyone what nitwits they are.

Fox hasn't been hurt in the slightest, they're a faceless Goliath by comparison, and can still easily shift all the blame on Trank as a loose cannon who ruined "their" IP.

I honestly really doubt if there will ever be a deal between Fox and Marvel on the F4 franchise simply out of pride.

Fox might just as well just keep the series on the backburner and churn out something fast and cheap to retain the rights every now and then just to spite Disney.

If anything, they might be more willing to outsource the series to independent production outfits next so that they can screw them over via Hollywood accounting, paying for half the bill but keeping ALL the profits.

"You, production company A, will supply the funding for production expenses while the 20th Century Fox Corporation supplies distribution and marketing costs in exchange for exclusive rights. In return, you get net points. screw you."

I can't argue this, the only thing you got wrong here is that Sony is sharing Spider-Man with Marvel but not the profit. Most people think Sony lost by "giving up" Spider-Man but they gained so much more in their deal with Marvel.

Things work out for Marvel too, but they're risking a lot dealing with Sony, Sony has nothing to lose at this point

Every Marvel movie Spider-Man is in they have to get permission from Sony first, and they share no profit with Sony on that movie. Sony benefits because they're now apart of the extremely popular MCU, and can even use some of Marvel's characters in their movies, with Marvel's permission of course. They keep all the profit from their movies. It's really a great deal for Sony.

 

[GasparZizou]

I agree with Crows.

All this is making me really curious to see what Trank really had in mind for this movie, and everything ruined cause Fox wanted a generic CBM blockbuster, well, they got what they wanted.

 

[Niltusk]

One question

Is DOOM an antisocial internet blogger?

Or was that just a *** at internet critics?

Heres the thing. AT the beginning he was a fairly likable ****** machinist/genius, who had his apartment wired to his will. You would think maybe they were setting this up for a tense friendship with Reed, which looked almost plausible through some of the movie, then maybe a disfiguring lab accident later and basically an evil Iron Man/Tony Stark style villain was born, but instead..... we got full blown ****** Doom who didn't need his intellect, nor any of the personality they were fleshing out for 3/4 of the movie. There was just absolutely no justification for alot of the character development going on for what this movie payed out at the end.

 

[Veil1]

So, one of the things that bugs me about this movie is that if you switched out names, this movie isn't even recognizable as the Fantastic Four.

Here, tell me that this story screams the First Family of comics:

Spoiler

Friends Don (Miles Teller) and Mark (Jamie Bell) have worked together on a prototype teleporter since their childhood, eventually attracting the attention of Professor Peter Lim (Reg E. Cathey), director of the Pintner Foundation, a government-sponsored research institute for young prodigies. Don is recruited to join them and aid Lim's children, scientist Caitlin (Kate Mara) and technician Josh (Michael B. Jordan), into completing a "Quantum Gate" designed by Lim's wayward protégé, Anton Krieg (Toby Kebbell), who begrudgingly agrees to help due to his unrequited feelings for Caitlin.
The experiment is successful, and the facility's supervisor, Dr. Allen (Tim Blake Nelson), assembles a group of astronauts to venture into a parallel dimension known as "Planet Zero". Disappointed at being denied the chance to join the expedition, Don, Josh, and Anton recruit Mark to help them commandeer the Quantum Gate and embark on an unsanctioned voyage to Planet Zero, which they learn is a world filled with otherworldly substances. Anton attempts to collect a sample of the substances, causing the entire structure they're in to collapse and the ground to erupt with green lava-like substance. Don, Josh, and Mark return to their shuttle just as Caitlin brings them back to Earth. Anton is left behind after he falls into the collapsing landscape. The machine explodes, altering Don, Caitlin, Josh, and Mark on a molecular-genetic level, affording them super-human conditions and abilities beyond their control. They are then placed in government custody and confinement to be studied and have their conditions and abilities tested. Blaming himself for the accident, Don escapes the facility and becomes a fugitive while desperately trying to find a cure.
One year later, Don is located in Central America by Caitlin and captured by Mark, who has become a military asset along with Josh and Caitlin. Josh and Caitlin have been outfitted with specialized suits, one of which Don later receives, designed to keep up with their conditions and abilities and to help them stabilize, control, and contain their abilities. Don is brought to Area 57, where Dr. Allen conscripts him to open another portal to Planet Zero in exchange for giving Don the necessary resources to find a cure. Arriving in Planet Zero, Dr. Allen's explorers find Anton, who has been fused to his spacesuit and can now control the elements, as well as having telekinetic abilities, and bring him back to Earth. Driven insane by the experience and believing the human race needs to be destroyed so he can rebuild Planet Zero in his image, Anton escapes, killing scientists and soldiers in the base including Dr. Allen and Professor Lim. Anton returns to Planet Zero using the Quantum Gate, with Mark, Josh, Don, and Caitlin in pursuit.
On Planet Zero, Anton activates a portal, using a structure he made while in the realm, that begins consuming the landscape of the Earth. He is confronted by the four and, after a destructive battle, Mark punches Anton into the portal's energy beam, disintegrating him, while Josh closes the portal. Returning to Earth, the group is rewarded for their heroics by being given a new base of operations by the United States military. They decide to use their powers to help people and adopt the mantle of the "Quixotic Quartet".

 

[pturtle]

So, one of the things that bugs me about this movie is that if you switched out names, this movie isn't even recognizable as the Fantastic Four.

Here, tell me that this story screams the First Family of comics:

Spoiler

Friends Don (Miles Teller) and Mark (Jamie Bell) have worked together on a prototype teleporter since their childhood, eventually attracting the attention of Professor Peter Lim (Reg E. Cathey), director of the Pintner Foundation, a government-sponsored research institute for young prodigies. Don is recruited to join them and aid Lim's children, scientist Caitlin (Kate Mara) and technician Josh (Michael B. Jordan), into completing a "Quantum Gate" designed by Lim's wayward protégé, Anton Krieg (Toby Kebbell), who begrudgingly agrees to help due to his unrequited feelings for Caitlin.
The experiment is successful, and the facility's supervisor, Dr. Allen (Tim Blake Nelson), assembles a group of astronauts to venture into a parallel dimension known as "Planet Zero". Disappointed at being denied the chance to join the expedition, Don, Josh, and Anton recruit Mark to help them commandeer the Quantum Gate and embark on an unsanctioned voyage to Planet Zero, which they learn is a world filled with otherworldly substances. Anton attempts to collect a sample of the substances, causing the entire structure they're in to collapse and the ground to erupt with green lava-like substance. Don, Josh, and Mark return to their shuttle just as Caitlin brings them back to Earth. Anton is left behind after he falls into the collapsing landscape. The machine explodes, altering Don, Caitlin, Josh, and Mark on a molecular-genetic level, affording them super-human conditions and abilities beyond their control. They are then placed in government custody and confinement to be studied and have their conditions and abilities tested. Blaming himself for the accident, Don escapes the facility and becomes a fugitive while desperately trying to find a cure.
One year later, Don is located in Central America by Caitlin and captured by Mark, who has become a military asset along with Josh and Caitlin. Josh and Caitlin have been outfitted with specialized suits, one of which Don later receives, designed to keep up with their conditions and abilities and to help them stabilize, control, and contain their abilities. Don is brought to Area 57, where Dr. Allen conscripts him to open another portal to Planet Zero in exchange for giving Don the necessary resources to find a cure. Arriving in Planet Zero, Dr. Allen's explorers find Anton, who has been fused to his spacesuit and can now control the elements, as well as having telekinetic abilities, and bring him back to Earth. Driven insane by the experience and believing the human race needs to be destroyed so he can rebuild Planet Zero in his image, Anton escapes, killing scientists and soldiers in the base including Dr. Allen and Professor Lim. Anton returns to Planet Zero using the Quantum Gate, with Mark, Josh, Don, and Caitlin in pursuit.
On Planet Zero, Anton activates a portal, using a structure he made while in the realm, that begins consuming the landscape of the Earth. He is confronted by the four and, after a destructive battle, Mark punches Anton into the portal's energy beam, disintegrating him, while Josh closes the portal. Returning to Earth, the group is rewarded for their heroics by being given a new base of operations by the United States military. They decide to use their powers to help people and adopt the mantle of the "Quixotic Quartet".

To be fair, most of the first part you posted is taken straight out of the ultimate comics, but I get your point

 

[Veil1]

To be fair, most of the first part you posted is taken straight out of the ultimate comics, but I get your point

To be a further butt head ..... here is the same thing done to the Tim Story Fantastic four:

Physicist Dr. Don Sherman is convinced evolution was triggered millions of years ago on Earth by clouds of cosmic energy in space, and has calculated that one of these clouds is soon going to pass near Earth. Together with his friend, astronaut Mark Graham, Don convinces Dr. Anton Krieg, his former classmate at MIT and now CEO of Krieg Industries, to allow him access to his privately owned space station to test the effects of a biological sample of exposure to the cloud. Krieg agrees in exchange for control over the experiment and a majority of the profits from whatever benefits it brings. Don brings aboard his ex-girlfriend and Krieg’s chief genetics researcher Caitlin Lim and her ex-astronaut brother Josh.
The quintet travels to outer space to observe the cosmic energy clouds, but Don miscalculates and the clouds materialize ahead of schedule. Don and the Lims leave the shielded station to rescue Mark, who had gone on a spacewalk to place the samples. Mark receives full exposure in outer space, while the others receive a more limited dose within the station. Back home they soon develop superpowers. Meanwhile, Krieg faces a backlash from his stockholders because of the publicity from the space mission, and has a scar on his face that came from an exploding control console on the station.
Mark's fiancee Debbie cannot handle his new appearance and decides to leave him. Mark goes to brood on the Brooklyn Bridge and accidentally causes a traffic pileup while preventing a man from jumping off the bridge. Mark, Don and the Lims use their various abilities to contain the damage and prevent harm. The media dubs them the Quixotic Quartet. They move into Don's lab in the Pintner Building to study their abilities and seek a way to return Mark to normal. Krieg, himself mutating, offers his support but blames Don for the failure of the spaceflight, which has lost him his company.
Don tells the group he will construct a machine to recreate the storm and reverse its effects on them, but warns it could possibly accelerate them instead. Meanwhile Krieg’s arm has become organic metal, allowing him to produce bolts of electricity, and he begins plotting revenge. He drives a wedge between Mark and Don, who has rekindled his relationship with Caitlin. Using the machine, Krieg restores Mark to human form, while accelerating Krieg’s condition, causing much of his body to turn to metal. Krieg knocks the human Mark unconscious and captures Don.
Now calling himself Doctor Destructo, he puts on a metallic mask to hide his disfigurement, tortures Don and fires a heatseeking missile at the Pintner Building in an unsuccessful attempt to defeat Josh. Caitlin confronts Destructo but is outmatched. Mark arrives to assist her, transformed into the Creature again by reusing the machine (speaking his signature line, "It's Punch’n time!"). The battle then gets spilled into the streets and The Lims combine their powers to wrap Destructo in an inferno of intense heat, and Mark and Don douse him with cold water, inducing thermal shock and freezing Destructo in place. In an epilogue, Mark informs Don that he has accepted his condition with the help of Jackie Ellefson, a blind artist for whom he has developed feelings, and the team embraces its role as superheroes. Don proposes marriage to Caitlin, who accepts. Meanwhile, Destructo's statue-like remains are being transported back to his homeland of Sokovia when the dock master's electronic manifest briefly undergoes electromagnetic interference, suggesting that Destructo is still alive.


I left out the descriptions of their powers to illustrate that however bad the first movies were (and they were bad, no arguement here) they were still way closer to the FF most of us know and love. For the record, I grew up in the 70's and 80's, so that is the FF I know and love. The only Ultimate title that I kinda liked was Spiderman... so I am a little biased.