FF2: Rise of the craptacular?

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tylerd said:
movies based on comics are what they are. yes, there are bad scripts and bad acting. but if you read a comic book, none of the dialog will win a Pulitzer Prize.
just like this movie won't win an oscar except maybe for the special effects. it's just a fun time at the movies where you can imagine yourself as a super hero. i think that's cool.

I think this a cheap cop out simply because some comics (key word: some) are poorly executed in the writing department. However, there are some good reads out there.

There are plenty of good comic book genres that have done well when translated into film. Some fine examples are... Tim Burton's 1989 Batman was fantastic! As was Batman Begins and the first two Sam Raimi directed Spider-Man films. In fact, the first two Blades were highly entertaining as was Bryan Singer's X-Men 2.

Then you have dismal comic book based flicks like your Dare Devils, Elektras, Fantastic Fours, and all the Batman films that fell in between Burton's first Batman and Christopher Nolan's recent take of the caped crusader. That's just touching the surface. My point is you can't compare comic books to movies. When executed by the right people with the proper execution and mindset, good things can happen. Where as the opposite could happen if the right pieces are not in place. To blame it on the medium is silly IMO.

Like in the movies with directors and screen writers, there can be dud comic book artists and writers too. Then on the flip side, you have very talented people that can put together something absolutely breath taking.

But I also feel that in some cases maybe not everything deserves the same live-action treatment. Lets be honest, could they ever make a Simpsons live-action feature and pull it off? Highly doubtful. Just like I personally believe that a live-action genre Transformers film couldn't be pulled off with similar designs as its past Generation 1 characters. The character designs are dated. While they look good drawn on paper or animated for a kid's Saturday morning cartoon, they wouldn't look convincing in the real world. Some stories are better told and kept in the comic and animated format. Just like some things are better served to be told in the real live-action world.

Personally I would never ever give a movie excuses for why it's good or bad based on the medium it comes from, but by how it was executed by the people behind the picture. That's why I didn't like the last installment of Lord of the Rings. That ending had way too much closure. I could careless if Peter Jackson and company were simply being faithful to the books. It just didn't intrigue me on film. It was too tedious to watch for the most part, as Fantastic Four was.

I guess history has spoiled me somewhat with great comic book film adaptions like your Batman Begins and the Spider-Man franchise. So I expect more from Fantastic Four and rightfully so. I am as laid back as the next person is but I can't justify spending 9 bucks on something that doesn't entertain me for the most part, when I have experienced films of its genre that are far superior in every facet.

Edit: Jerry Springer moment. In the end, it's a matter of personal opinion. All of us go into movies with different expectations than the next person. Thus why we get such a plethora of different opinions from one person to the next. We just tend to forget that from time to time. Myself included.
 
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I thought you were making some compelling arguments until I read this snippet:
Eli26 said:
That's why I didn't like the last installment of Lord of the Rings. That ending had way too much closure. I could careless if Peter Jackson and company were simply being faithful to the books. It just didn't intrigue me on film. It was too tedious to watch for the most part.
I am in such absolute disagreement with you on that subject that words cannot express it. As it was, the films did not provide enough closure to the story, and the filmmakers sidestepped one of Tolkien's most important storytelling points by shortening things up as much as they did. Tedious? I think not.

I suppose, though, that it is good to understand your perspective, since it makes it clear that we approach movies very differently and, as such, our experiences will not likely be similar in most cases.
 
RoboDad said:
I thought you were making some compelling arguments until I read this snippet:

I am in such absolute disagreement with you on that subject that words cannot express it. As it was, the films did not provide enough closure to the story, and the filmmakers sidestepped one of Tolkien's most important storytelling points by shortening things up as much as they did. Tedious? I think not.

I suppose, though, that it is good to understand your perspective, since it makes it clear that we approach movies very differently and, as such, our experiences will not likely be similar in most cases.

That's cool. I still love yeah bud! After all, we still have Buffy!
 
Eli26 said:
That's why I didn't like the last installment of Lord of the Rings. That ending had way too much closure. I could careless if Peter Jackson and company were simply being faithful to the books. It just didn't intrigue me on film. It was too tedious to watch for the most part, as Fantastic Four was.

I liked the movie but it was a little too long and the ending way too long and boring (Hobits jumping on a bed in slo-mo, Aragon singing...). It was like after the ring was destroyed everything sloooooooow down, talking and movement. Over-rated movie imo.

How come they didn't end it like in the book with Saruman taking over the shire and Frodo and them save everybody?
 
IronFingaz said:
I liked the movie but it was a little too long and the ending way too long and boring (Hobits jumping on a bed in slo-mo, Aragon singing...). It was like after the ring was destroyed everything sloooooooow down, talking and movement. Over-rated movie imo.

How come they didn't end it like in the book with Saruman taking over the shire and Frodo and them save everybody?

Don't get me wrong I liked the movie up until the end, after Saruman was defeated. It was the ending that ruined it for me, and lets be honest a bad ending could ruin what was for the first 70 percent, a decent flick. It's the end result that leaves a lasting impression. I just didn't care for the end result.
 
hehe No worries RoboDad, you are one of my favorites on here. As a fan of certain mediums I know how we can get a bit defensive at times. I been at fault. Anyone who tears apart Transformers or my favorite sports teams are begging for a lecture! hehe
 
Not to go too far off topic, but maybe what we need is something to put FF2 in perspective.

I heard about one of my childhood favorite animated series being made into a "live-action" film, and my hopes were high, until I saw this trailer.

:yuck

OK, maybe it won't suck as bad as I think it will (after all, that is Jason Lee voicing the main character), but it sure isn't what I wanted or expected.
 
RoboDad said:
Not to go too far off topic, but maybe what we need is something to put FF2 in perspective.

I heard about one of my childhood favorite animated series being made into a "live-action" film, and my hopes were high, until I saw this trailer.

:yuck

OK, maybe it won't suck as bad as I think it will (after all, that is Jason Lee voicing the main character), but it sure isn't what I wanted or expected.

Man, that looks like the must-see-movie of the year:lol
 
There are some things that just can't be done. This is so far afield from the source they would have done better to have just created their own superhero. How many kids have even SEEN the original? How many of us who loved the original think this is a good idea?

And Jason Lee is no Wally Cox.

I do love the tag lines though - 'ONE NATION UNDER DOG' and "EVIL GETS LICKED"
 
I love Jason Lee, I think he is really satirically funny but he is no Underdog.....the voice doesn't fit...

Although there were some funny moments in the trailer I have low hopes for it....if they ever make Magilla Gorilla or Captain Caveman into a Live Action Film though I'll be pissed....
 
PosterBoyKelly said:
Isn't Jason Lee a scientologist? I hate Scientologists.

:lol Who doesn't... but i don't think he is, he's not that stupid. He did name his son Pilot Inspektor:rotfl Which still makes him smarter then the people joining scientology.
 
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Just say NO to planet-eating clouds!!

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