Future of DC Films (DCEU)

[Dotanuki]

I heard that WB fired Ezra Miller, is this true ?

 

[Hoody999]

I heard that WB fired Ezra Miller, is this true ?

Nothing official. However considering The Flash is pretty much ready to go, barring potential slight modifications to the end to suit WBD new direction, then I think soon after release his days will be numbered.

 

[MeatHookGekko]

Zack Snyder arrived at a different conclusion about what superheroes mean. He sees them through the lens of Joseph Campbell’s hero’s journey, and therefore by definition as Jungian archetypes. Archetypes reflect real things psychologically which even if inherently abstract in nature are embedded in the human psyche; and it behooves us to understand them better in order to achieve good psychological functioning. Hero archetypes are idealizations, and reality never lives up to ideals, which is something that we’re always reconciling. But at the end of the day the psych needs ideals to guide and motivate us, to give us something to aim towards. The fact that our psyche generates heroic archetypes is not a bad thing, it’s actually good overall. And it’s also truly fascinating that the mind does this. That it gives us these archetypes to meditate on. And it happens both individually and at the cultural level.

I see it a bit differently myself.

People are drawn to super heroes and the archetype because they are generally there to enforce "fairness"

Humans are hardwired to weigh the concept of "fairness" in extreme terms because it really comes down to resource distribution, on a macro level, and those who can amass it versus others. In effect, we are still trapped in those hunter/gatherer motivations that say if you hoard all the meat and corn and blankets, you'll essentially guarantee everyone else a life of misery and death.

I also believe humans are hard wired to kill. It's all in us. Our ancestors were not the kind, thoughtful, altruistic types. They were probably the most cunning, the cruel, the most vicious, the most bigoted, even rapists and murderers. The weak died. The sick died. The altruistic died. And sometimes you could do everything "right" and be unlucky and you just plain died.

I have always believed a majority of human angst comes from not killing your immediate threats, of any kind. Now in a civil modern society, doing that kind of stuff is not acceptable. However what happens to us on an instinctive level and what we have to do to fit into a hopefully functional progressing society are entirely two different things.

In effect, latching onto super heroes does two huge things - 1) Returns the world into the ideal state of "fairness" and a "meritocracy". 2) Removes the heavy burden of the average person from having to put down and kill their enemies.

A "fair" world, one where said fairness is enforced, means no one can become a tyrant with the resource base, which was quite scarce in many generations past, which for the majority was basically a death sentence or one where they became proxy for cattle.

Deep down the average person knows instinctively something is wrong and that we are effectively being subjugated in various ways, some more than others, and that social constructs exist to keep us in line and from rioting and slaughtering everyone around us, including said tyrants.

The "heroes journey" is a coping mechanism.

But often times it's fun to watch. Bread and circuses and all that, of course. Merry Xmas.

 

[Alatar]

I see it a bit differently myself.

People are drawn to super heroes and the archetype because they are generally there to enforce "fairness"

Humans are hardwired to weigh the concept of "fairness" in extreme terms because it really comes down to resource distribution, on a macro level, and those who can amass it versus others. In effect, we are still trapped in those hunter/gatherer motivations that say if you hoard all the meat and corn and blankets, you'll essentially guarantee everyone else a life of misery and death.

I also believe humans are hard wired to kill. It's all in us. Our ancestors were not the kind, thoughtful, altruistic types. They were probably the most cunning, the cruel, the most vicious, the most bigoted, even rapists and murderers. The weak died. The sick died. The altruistic died. And sometimes you could do everything "right" and be unlucky and you just plain died.

I have always believed a majority of human angst comes from not killing your immediate threats, of any kind. Now in a civil modern society, doing that kind of stuff is not acceptable. However what happens to us on an instinctive level and what we have to do to fit into a hopefully functional progressing society are entirely two different things.

In effect, latching onto super heroes does two huge things - 1) Returns the world into the ideal state of "fairness" and a "meritocracy". 2) Removes the heavy burden of the average person from having to put down and kill their enemies.

A "fair" world, one where said fairness is enforced, means no one can become a tyrant with the resource base, which was quite scarce in many generations past, which for the majority was basically a death sentence or one where they became proxy for cattle.

Deep down the average person knows instinctively something is wrong and that we are effectively being subjugated in various ways, some more than others, and that social constructs exist to keep us in line and from rioting and slaughtering everyone around us, including said tyrants.

The "heroes journey" is a coping mechanism.

But often times it's fun to watch. Bread and circuses and all that, of course. Merry Xmas.

You’re not wrong with what you‘re saying! Mythology definitely touches upon the fact that much that happens in life is unfair. The ancient Greeks clearly understood that. I think Zack Snyder does as well. What I was getting at is what I think Zack’s take is as distinct from Alan Moore’s. I think Zack is fundamentally hopeful about the role of superhero mythology in the human psyche. He basically says as much in interviews.

 

[Alatar]

I heard that WB fired Ezra Miller, is this true ?

Not to my knowledge. I would imagine that he has to stay out of trouble from now on, though.

 

[Alatar]

Nothing official. However considering The Flash is pretty much ready to go, barring potential slight modifications to the end to suit WBD new direction, then I think soon after release his days will be numbered.

I don’t know. If he really slays the role and the film is very good or excellent, I think he hangs on. IF (!) that’s the case, then I think he gets a new lease on life as long as the worst allegations against him aren’t substantiated.

 

[JMT1979]

I see it a bit differently myself.

People are drawn to super heroes and the archetype because they are generally there to enforce "fairness"

Humans are hardwired to weigh the concept of "fairness" in extreme terms because it really comes down to resource distribution, on a macro level, and those who can amass it versus others. In effect, we are still trapped in those hunter/gatherer motivations that say if you hoard all the meat and corn and blankets, you'll essentially guarantee everyone else a life of misery and death.

I also believe humans are hard wired to kill. It's all in us. Our ancestors were not the kind, thoughtful, altruistic types. They were probably the most cunning, the cruel, the most vicious, the most bigoted, even rapists and murderers. The weak died. The sick died. The altruistic died. And sometimes you could do everything "right" and be unlucky and you just plain died.

I have always believed a majority of human angst comes from not killing your immediate threats, of any kind. Now in a civil modern society, doing that kind of stuff is not acceptable. However what happens to us on an instinctive level and what we have to do to fit into a hopefully functional progressing society are entirely two different things.

In effect, latching onto super heroes does two huge things - 1) Returns the world into the ideal state of "fairness" and a "meritocracy". 2) Removes the heavy burden of the average person from having to put down and kill their enemies.

A "fair" world, one where said fairness is enforced, means no one can become a tyrant with the resource base, which was quite scarce in many generations past, which for the majority was basically a death sentence or one where they became proxy for cattle.

Deep down the average person knows instinctively something is wrong and that we are effectively being subjugated in various ways, some more than others, and that social constructs exist to keep us in line and from rioting and slaughtering everyone around us, including said tyrants.

The "heroes journey" is a coping mechanism.

But often times it's fun to watch. Bread and circuses and all that, of course. Merry Xmas.

Those of us in the West often forget that there are still in the places in the world where might is right.
It will be interesting to see if humanity as a whole continues on the pathway of altruism or will WW3 happen and descend us all back into a new Dark Ages.

 

[jye4ever]

I see it a bit differently myself.

People are drawn to super heroes and the archetype because they are generally there to enforce "fairness"

Humans are hardwired to weigh the concept of "fairness" in extreme terms because it really comes down to resource distribution, on a macro level, and those who can amass it versus others. In effect, we are still trapped in those hunter/gatherer motivations that say if you hoard all the meat and corn and blankets, you'll essentially guarantee everyone else a life of misery and death.

I also believe humans are hard wired to kill. It's all in us. Our ancestors were not the kind, thoughtful, altruistic types. They were probably the most cunning, the cruel, the most vicious, the most bigoted, even rapists and murderers. The weak died. The sick died. The altruistic died. And sometimes you could do everything "right" and be unlucky and you just plain died.

I have always believed a majority of human angst comes from not killing your immediate threats, of any kind. Now in a civil modern society, doing that kind of stuff is not acceptable. However what happens to us on an instinctive level and what we have to do to fit into a hopefully functional progressing society are entirely two different things.

In effect, latching onto super heroes does two huge things - 1) Returns the world into the ideal state of "fairness" and a "meritocracy". 2) Removes the heavy burden of the average person from having to put down and kill their enemies.

A "fair" world, one where said fairness is enforced, means no one can become a tyrant with the resource base, which was quite scarce in many generations past, which for the majority was basically a death sentence or one where they became proxy for cattle.

Deep down the average person knows instinctively something is wrong and that we are effectively being subjugated in various ways, some more than others, and that social constructs exist to keep us in line and from rioting and slaughtering everyone around us, including said tyrants.

The "heroes journey" is a coping mechanism.

But often times it's fun to watch. Bread and circuses and all that, of course. Merry Xmas.

Forget killing, men can’t even flirt anymore such a downer modern age lol

 

[ironwez20]

Eh I don’t think mankind is violent they just evolved over time and we have this dark part in us that we put down it’s pretty much in every hero story. Fighting a darker half of ourself we don’t want to unleash. Or fighting a character that is you but the morals are all messed up.

But people do love the villain so maybe mankind is just inherently violent in nature but just like the idea of evil. Only some actually go through with evil deeds

 

[JMT1979]

Forget killing men can’t even flirt anymore such a downer modern age lol

It's worse than that: men don't even want to flirt.

To a degree I understand though, as it's a different battlefield these days as online dating is a waste of time for most men.

 

[ironwez20]

It's worse than that: men don't even want to flirt.

To a degree I understand though, as it's a different battlefield these days as online dating is a waste of time for most men.

Lol trust me it is. I hate it. Some of my worst experiences. I met some pretty great people tho but I wouldn’t recommend it. Let things flow naturally.

 

[Hoody999]

I don’t know. If he really slays the role and the film is very good or excellent, I think he hangs on. IF (!) that’s the case, then I think he gets a new lease on life as long as the worst allegations against him aren’t substantiated.

Yes the jury is definitely out. But he's definitely on thin ice. Time is a healer as they say, so perhaps by the time the movie comes out the collective public memory has moved on and forgotten about details and exactly what happened with Ezra. WBD makes their money, then they can decide based on the final outcome.

 

[JMT1979]

Lol trust me it is. I hate it. Some of my worst experiences. I met some pretty great people tho but I wouldn’t recommend it. Let things flow naturally.

Oh, I know. I online dated extensively between 2012-2017, with a year off in 2013 when I had a relationship.

I doubt the younger generations will move off it though as they do everything online now.

 

[MeatHookGekko]

Eh I don’t think mankind is violent they just evolved over time and we have this dark part in us that we put down it’s pretty much in every hero story. Fighting a darker half of ourself we don’t want to unleash. Or fighting a character that is you but the morals are all messed up.

But people do love the villain so maybe mankind is just inherently violent in nature but just like the idea of evil. Only some actually go through with evil deeds

"That's not how it feels. It was up to me, and I let him die. I could've saved him, but I didn't."



Well here's a different perspective. Let's look at Aquaman, Manta and his father.

Manta and his father are pirates and go around killing innocents. The dad is idiotic enough to fire off a grenade launcher inside a submarine. TWICE. Now part of the film is that Arthur Curry regrets leaving Manta's dad behind like that. But IMHO the true regret comes from not killing Manta in the submarine when he had the chance.

We learn in Justice League that Curry was helping out that poor fishing village. And his dad was still out there somewhere. By not killing Manta when he had the chance, he risked the lives of future innocents ( not like Manta was going to stop being a pirate) and risked the lives of that village and his own dad.

Let's say Aquaman helped Manta's dad there, what do you think they would do immediately after? Try to kill him again, that's what.

I see it differently, sometimes killing villains is the truly heroic act. Because it's clear Manta and his father were just going to go out and keep killing people. Same thing with Batman and Joker. Batman has his code where he won't use guns and won't kill. However Joker has no problems killing and how many people does he kill while Batman holds onto that "honor"?

Don't get me wrong, I understand that these movies are also meant for families and younger audiences, so they can't have a hyper realistic version of events. But part of being a hero is sacrifice. Sometimes that means sacrificing your "virtue" for the overall good of everyone around you.

Aquaman would have been better off, and the world better off, if he just walked back down that ladder, broke Manta's neck. Then picked up that blade arm from Manta and ran it through Manta's dad and ended it.

Our ancestors, in hunter/gatherer societies, if there was a big battle, if some enemy tribe raided their village, then what happened if they repelled the attack? What happened if the home tribe got "prisoners"? You can barely feed your own people and your own children. You want to feed "prisoners" too? I mean they tried to raid you, kill your men, **** your women, and subjugate your children or worse, taking all your resources so you can starve to death. In really old times, there were no prisoners. They just killed you on the spot once the main battle was over. Why would they let you go? You'll just bring in reinforcements and do it all over again and be five times more motivated to be more savage.

Our ancestors didn't show any mercy because they couldn't afford mercy. So that's hardwired in all of us. For some, it's just more dormant.

People love superheroes in part because it takes much of that burden away. The burden of putting down threats so you never have to look over your shoulder again.

Let's put it this way, sometimes, just sometimes, on the show, The Boys, you find out that Homelander is not always wrong. Most of the times, he's a narcissist and a sadist and his mind is broken. But when he ruthlessly kills criminals, I don't think he's wrong in that. Which is why I think many people love Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns and Alan Moore's Watchmen, because it adds multiple layers to the complexity of being a "super hero"

 

[ironwez20]

Oh, I know. I online dated extensively between 2012-2017, with a year off in 2013 when I had a relationship.

I doubt the younger generations will move off it though as they do everything online now.

Lol yea they’ll just make a new dating app in a few years and people will jump to that

 

[ironwez20]

Whst the actual hell is going on at WB. They are canceling more things than ever but somehow that psycho flash movie is still a go. What the actual **** .

 

[zeiss]

It is so bizarre. I can understand wanting a fresh start but I imagine everyone is tired of getting new versions of the same characters. I was kind of excited to see what a new Henry cavill Superman movie could be. I wonder if they really are scrapping all the snyder versions of characters or Patty Jenkins’ Wonder Woman 3 script sucked like WW84 so they just canceled that one.

 

[Alatar]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...an-3-not-moving-forward-dc-movies-1235276804/

 

[Hoody999]

This all just makes no sense. If Gunn is really going in this direction then he's no better than Emmerich and Co.

Is it so frigging hard to simply give the fandom what they want and continue the story Snyder started with perhaps some added characters to the League ?

If this is true, they'll lose what Fandom they still had. And as this guy in the video says, no one will be interested in the 3-4 films still to come.

"Listening to the fans", my a$$........

 

[Alatar]

Well, it looks like my instinct to check out emotionally was warranted, lol.

A total reboot.

My prediction is that James Gunn… who is not exactly a darling among the fandom to begin with given his 10K deleted tweet history… is going to be reviled for whatever he comes up with. The THR article says that he and Safran are likely to highlight Lobo. They’re going to make GotG Vol. 3, Thor: Love and Thunder types of films. Gunn has said he would love to make a Bat-mite movie, etc.