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So Grace Randolph leaked yesterday (New Years Day) the following about the Flash movie:
Which of course could be false information since it’s a scooper leak. But hypothetically for the sake of argument let’s say that it is in fact what WB is planning. Since that would not be surprising, and indeed perfectly consistent, given WB’s clear intent to kill the Snyderverse. (Despite AT&T forcing the Snyder cut to get completed and released. And as we know AT&T has since sold WB to Discovery, etc.)
It is however noteworthy that on Christmas Eve morning Zack Snyder had posted this on VERO
which in itself is relatively unremarkable—perhaps the northern lights are associated with the north pole which is the home of Santa Claus. However what got many Snyderverse fans excited was that later that same day Discovery tweeted this:
And just a couple days ago (before Grace’s post yesterday) when a fan asked Zack Snyder if this is a time to give up hope he responded “never.”
And then yesterday (New Years Day), same day as Grace leaked about the Flash movie rebooting the DCEU, Zack made an interesting "like“ on VERO:
This is the VERO post in case anyone is interested, which is of the northern lights (green) and it expresses “HOPE” for #RestoreTheSnyderVerse:
https://vero.co/gersonbarrera/3sn-Pvffz3mvFNHsp1xK2686
Now with the theme of the Batmobile accompanying the green northern lights it may be significant that Zack posted on VERO this never before shared photo 2 days after Christmas which has Batman and the Batmobile bathed in a greenish light, an effect for this shoot that we have never seen done before.
And it’s worth mentioning as well that Clay Staub, assistant director for ZSJL, has tweeted some very interesting content recently seemingly related to all of this.
Also, remember that on Thanksgiving that Zack famously placed a copy of Final Crisis (comic of Darkseid invading earth) behind his Thanksgiving turkey. With what to some looked like a “script bible” sitting on top of it.
And finally, intriguingly, Ezra Miller posted this in reaction to fans upset at the Snyderverse being erased:
Alright. So what are we to make of all this? Well anyone well acquainted with the Snyderverse is by now keenly aware that Zack loves to place Easter eggs and provide cryptic hints into almost everything he creates. Certainly in his movies but especially his VERO posts. He did this masterfully during the period that he grew support and anticipation among the fan base for the Snyder cut of JL. He created a social media juggernaut, i.e., Snyderverse Twitter fandom or “Zack’s Army” as Grace Randolph once coined it, that imo changed the landscape for relationship between director, audience, and studio. We’re actually at a critical point with that right now with the tension between the old guard at WB and hopefully Discovery taking over in May with a vision that recognizes just how powerful all this is and has the business sense to embrace it.
So to simply shrug off as insignificant the Easter eggs Zack has posted since Thanksgiving is unwise imo. These things mean something. (Heh, it now makes me think of of a momentarily deflated Clark saying in BvS that Superman was “just the dream of a farmer in Kansas” and Lois touching the “hope” sigil on his chest and reminding him “this means something!”)
I think one of two things is happening.
1) Discovery has been having talks with Snyder, and David Zaslav is keen to bring Zack back to complete JL 2 and 3. They know how much excitement this will generate. However WB’s executive leadership feels humiliated by AT&T having insisted on completion and release of the Snyder cut, and ZSJL’s massive success (which WB has of course tried to bury). ZSJL shows how just how incredibly poor WB’s judgment has been, and how badly they have bungled the DCEU overall (particularly alongside the thriving MCU). In reaction to Discovery courting Snyder again WB is exerting the autonomy it still has to vindictively try to drive a stake through the heart of the Snyderverse before that WB regime is replaced in May. It’s akin to a scorched earth policy in military history.
If this scenario is right, then we’ll see WB Discovery double down in May with the multiverse idea, such that it is understood that there are simply many different parallel universes, each with their own stories taking place, same as happens in the comics. This new rebooted Justice League will be it’s own universe. The Reeves Batman trilogy will be it’s own universe. And the saga that Zack will finish out will be it‘s own discreet universe. WB Discovery won’t be able to undo the new course that WB has set with the “rebooted” DCEU. But they can allow the Snyderverse—or at the very least completion of Zack’s five film saga—to exist in parallel.
I personally expect JL 2 and 3 to be a smash hit. So therefore I think we will see a Cyborg film, Martian Manhunter Film, Atom film, Deathstroke film, etc., spin-off from the success of the Snyder five film saga. I actually doubt however that Ben Affleck will do anything further as Batman after getting killed off on JL2 or 3. I suspect he will not. He has signaled that he wants to focus on making more intimate, personal types of dramas. But I do think he will see through his arc as Batman for Zack.
In this scenario among the fractured DC fandom there is at least a variety, even if many fans don’t care for what other takes are being used in other DC universes. Without one side or the other “winning out” it avoids bitter resentments and might make it possible psychologically for a lot of fans to be able to enjoy the other offerings that otherwise might not have interested them In the first place. Since they got what they wanted, they are free to entertain the other things, etc.
2) WB Discovery, i.e., David Zaslav, will support the old guard Hollywood studio good old boy network, i.e., here represented by Toby Emmerich. He won’t rock the boat and will supprt the Snyderverse being snuffed out. Henry Cavil gone. 70 y/o Michael Keaton mentoring Black Canary, passing the mantle of the Bat to Batgirl. And Supergirl replacing Superman. Affleck done for good. Hoping that fans take to Robert Pattinson as a new younger Batman in his universe.
Here’s the thing for me: I can’t see Zack Snyder clearly signaling hope to us via his VERO posts unless it’s option (1) above. He knows how important this is to his fan base. And he’s got other great things going at Netflix. He doesn’t need to keep egging fans on about #RestoreTheSnyderVerse unless… well, unless a deal with Discovery has actually been struck, honestly. By everyone’s account that has ever worked with Zack Snyder he is a sweet, loving, and considerate person. He’s not a raging narcissist. I don’t think he’s just riding high on ego by posting this stuff.
Anyway that’s a lot to sift through. Thanks for reading if you made it this far.
What are your thoughts?
Which of course could be false information since it’s a scooper leak. But hypothetically for the sake of argument let’s say that it is in fact what WB is planning. Since that would not be surprising, and indeed perfectly consistent, given WB’s clear intent to kill the Snyderverse. (Despite AT&T forcing the Snyder cut to get completed and released. And as we know AT&T has since sold WB to Discovery, etc.)
It is however noteworthy that on Christmas Eve morning Zack Snyder had posted this on VERO
which in itself is relatively unremarkable—perhaps the northern lights are associated with the north pole which is the home of Santa Claus. However what got many Snyderverse fans excited was that later that same day Discovery tweeted this:
And just a couple days ago (before Grace’s post yesterday) when a fan asked Zack Snyder if this is a time to give up hope he responded “never.”
And then yesterday (New Years Day), same day as Grace leaked about the Flash movie rebooting the DCEU, Zack made an interesting "like“ on VERO:
This is the VERO post in case anyone is interested, which is of the northern lights (green) and it expresses “HOPE” for #RestoreTheSnyderVerse:
https://vero.co/gersonbarrera/3sn-Pvffz3mvFNHsp1xK2686
Now with the theme of the Batmobile accompanying the green northern lights it may be significant that Zack posted on VERO this never before shared photo 2 days after Christmas which has Batman and the Batmobile bathed in a greenish light, an effect for this shoot that we have never seen done before.
And it’s worth mentioning as well that Clay Staub, assistant director for ZSJL, has tweeted some very interesting content recently seemingly related to all of this.
Also, remember that on Thanksgiving that Zack famously placed a copy of Final Crisis (comic of Darkseid invading earth) behind his Thanksgiving turkey. With what to some looked like a “script bible” sitting on top of it.
And finally, intriguingly, Ezra Miller posted this in reaction to fans upset at the Snyderverse being erased:
Alright. So what are we to make of all this? Well anyone well acquainted with the Snyderverse is by now keenly aware that Zack loves to place Easter eggs and provide cryptic hints into almost everything he creates. Certainly in his movies but especially his VERO posts. He did this masterfully during the period that he grew support and anticipation among the fan base for the Snyder cut of JL. He created a social media juggernaut, i.e., Snyderverse Twitter fandom or “Zack’s Army” as Grace Randolph once coined it, that imo changed the landscape for relationship between director, audience, and studio. We’re actually at a critical point with that right now with the tension between the old guard at WB and hopefully Discovery taking over in May with a vision that recognizes just how powerful all this is and has the business sense to embrace it.
So to simply shrug off as insignificant the Easter eggs Zack has posted since Thanksgiving is unwise imo. These things mean something. (Heh, it now makes me think of of a momentarily deflated Clark saying in BvS that Superman was “just the dream of a farmer in Kansas” and Lois touching the “hope” sigil on his chest and reminding him “this means something!”)
I think one of two things is happening.
1) Discovery has been having talks with Snyder, and David Zaslav is keen to bring Zack back to complete JL 2 and 3. They know how much excitement this will generate. However WB’s executive leadership feels humiliated by AT&T having insisted on completion and release of the Snyder cut, and ZSJL’s massive success (which WB has of course tried to bury). ZSJL shows how just how incredibly poor WB’s judgment has been, and how badly they have bungled the DCEU overall (particularly alongside the thriving MCU). In reaction to Discovery courting Snyder again WB is exerting the autonomy it still has to vindictively try to drive a stake through the heart of the Snyderverse before that WB regime is replaced in May. It’s akin to a scorched earth policy in military history.
If this scenario is right, then we’ll see WB Discovery double down in May with the multiverse idea, such that it is understood that there are simply many different parallel universes, each with their own stories taking place, same as happens in the comics. This new rebooted Justice League will be it’s own universe. The Reeves Batman trilogy will be it’s own universe. And the saga that Zack will finish out will be it‘s own discreet universe. WB Discovery won’t be able to undo the new course that WB has set with the “rebooted” DCEU. But they can allow the Snyderverse—or at the very least completion of Zack’s five film saga—to exist in parallel.
I personally expect JL 2 and 3 to be a smash hit. So therefore I think we will see a Cyborg film, Martian Manhunter Film, Atom film, Deathstroke film, etc., spin-off from the success of the Snyder five film saga. I actually doubt however that Ben Affleck will do anything further as Batman after getting killed off on JL2 or 3. I suspect he will not. He has signaled that he wants to focus on making more intimate, personal types of dramas. But I do think he will see through his arc as Batman for Zack.
In this scenario among the fractured DC fandom there is at least a variety, even if many fans don’t care for what other takes are being used in other DC universes. Without one side or the other “winning out” it avoids bitter resentments and might make it possible psychologically for a lot of fans to be able to enjoy the other offerings that otherwise might not have interested them In the first place. Since they got what they wanted, they are free to entertain the other things, etc.
2) WB Discovery, i.e., David Zaslav, will support the old guard Hollywood studio good old boy network, i.e., here represented by Toby Emmerich. He won’t rock the boat and will supprt the Snyderverse being snuffed out. Henry Cavil gone. 70 y/o Michael Keaton mentoring Black Canary, passing the mantle of the Bat to Batgirl. And Supergirl replacing Superman. Affleck done for good. Hoping that fans take to Robert Pattinson as a new younger Batman in his universe.
Here’s the thing for me: I can’t see Zack Snyder clearly signaling hope to us via his VERO posts unless it’s option (1) above. He knows how important this is to his fan base. And he’s got other great things going at Netflix. He doesn’t need to keep egging fans on about #RestoreTheSnyderVerse unless… well, unless a deal with Discovery has actually been struck, honestly. By everyone’s account that has ever worked with Zack Snyder he is a sweet, loving, and considerate person. He’s not a raging narcissist. I don’t think he’s just riding high on ego by posting this stuff.
Anyway that’s a lot to sift through. Thanks for reading if you made it this far.
What are your thoughts?
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