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[denger4000]

Re: NBA 2012-2013

maybe people just still remember when they were the number one seed the season before last and pulled a dallas round one.

I hope we sneek in at 8 and play you guys round one.. would you rather get houson or Lakers?

Rather get Rockets, but Lakers would be more fun because of this board...


And I really think the Spurs will make it the finals this year, maybe I'm wrong but i guess we'll find out

 

[jstep13]

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Actually I'm just being honest. Spurs are a better team than the lakers right now. I can admit that no prob. But spurs are still about 4th best overall and come playoffs this will more than likely be proven.

Based on what empirical evidence? Or is this just your meaningless "opinion"

maybe people just still remember when they were the number one seed the season before last and pulled a dallas round one.

I hope we sneek in at 8 and play you guys round one.. would you rather get houson or Lakers?

Doesn't matter to me. One thing I've found watching sports over the years is the teams you think you have a better chance against are the ones that bite you in the a__ so if I say Houston that would probably be the team that ousts us (no chance but you get my point).

I know Laker fans still dream about "flipping the switch" come playoff time but this team has serious serious issues. And beating an old, injury plagued Celtics team doesn't change anyone's level of anxiety about potentially playing the Lakers in the playoffs.

Trust me, Spurs fans have bigger fish to fry...

 

[Mamba]

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Tony Parker has been great this season. His FG% is excellent for PG, he must drive to the basket a lot. I wonder which one is more likely this season Parker wins MVP over Lebron or Spurs wins the title over Heat?

 

[jstep13]

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Tony Parker has been great this season. His FG% is excellent for PG, he must drive to the basket a lot. I wonder which one is more likely this season Parker wins MVP over Lebron or Spurs wins the title over Heat or Lakers make the playoffs?

Fixed

I would say all three are HIGHLY unlikely

 

[Wake]

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Parker winning the MVP is most unlikely. As good as he is for some reason nobody cares. He would have to score 50 points a game for people to notice. I bet Harden will get more votes. lol.

The Lakers are only 5-6 games back... problem is there are only 28 gms left so they basically have to win 90% of them to make the playoffs.

Heat vs. Spurs seems to be a very real possibility. What it comes down to is a) who can win on the other's court? Maybe it won't matter as much to the Spurs if they finish in first but these are the two best teams at home. b) can the spurs stop Lebron? not taking anything away from Parker or Duncan, Ginobli, Wade or Bosh for that matter, but Lebron james can do so much at such a high level that if he's still playing like he is right now I don't see anyone beating miami. c) can the Spurs keep from turning over the ball? I think that's a huge factor. San Antonio is one of the leagues worst when it comes to TOs and against Miami thats a recipe for a 15-0 run.

It's gonna be a fun post season! Is it May/June yet?

 

[jstep13]

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Parker winning the MVP is most unlikely. As good as he is for some reason nobody cares. He would have to score 50 points a game for people to notice. I bet Harden will get more votes. lol.

The Lakers are only 5-6 games back... problem is there are only 28 gms left so they basically have to win 90% of them to make the playoffs.

Heat vs. Spurs seems to be a very real possibility. What it comes down to is a) who can win on the other's court? Maybe it won't matter as much to the Spurs if they finish in first but these are the two best teams at home. b) can the spurs stop Lebron? not taking anything away from Parker or Duncan, Ginobli, Wade or Bosh for that matter, but Lebron james can do so much at such a high level that if he's still playing like he is right now I don't see anyone beating miami. c) can the Spurs keep from turning over the ball? I think that's a huge factor. San Antonio is one of the leagues worst when it comes to TOs and against Miami thats a recipe for a 15-0 run.

It's gonna be a fun post season! Is it May/June yet?

Yep, I agree no one cares which is what I discussed earlier. If he had played for LA or NY, he would've been hailed as Jesus resurrected but because he plays for a podunk city, no one respects the Spurs. That horse has been well beaten to death, that's no new revelation there.

To address your second point, every team has its flaws. I'm not saying the Heat do not cause match up problems because they do. That's the difficulty of playing an all-star caliber team which is what LeBron needed to win anything. That point is also beaten to death.

What isn't being beaten to death is the fact that the Heat are not that unbeatable - they just have no one to really test them.

Facts are they play in a weak division, a weak conference, Chicago is hurt, Pacers and Nets are inexperienced and the Knicks are the Knicks. Basically the Heat are feasting on bad teams. Plus the Heat are ranked something like 30th in rebounding and are middle of the pack defensively. Moreover, we'll see if the Heat can stay relatively injury free which I have my doubts about.

Finally the Spurs, believe it or not, have a better home, road, versus teams over .500 record than the Heat do.

So we'll see. Make no mistake, no one here is claiming the Spurs are going to win anything this year but the Heat are certainly flawed.

 

[karamazov80]

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Pretty sure CP3 lost the MVP race to Kobe several years back, in large measure, because of the market. . .Hornets without him would have been, well, what they have been without him.

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

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Based on what empirical evidence? Or is this just your meaningless "opinion"



Doesn't matter to me. One thing I've found watching sports over the years is the teams you think you have a better chance against are the ones that bite you in the a__ so if I say Houston that would probably be the team that ousts us (no chance but you get my point).

I know Laker fans still dream about "flipping the switch" come playoff time but this team has serious serious issues. And beating an old, injury plagued Celtics team doesn't change anyone's level of anxiety about potentially playing the Lakers in the playoffs.

Trust me, Spurs fans have bigger fish to fry...

switch or not, these guys get on the same team page and there is plenty talent to topple anybody. even your not built for the post season spurs.

 

[sarakawa]

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Based on what empirical evidence? Or is this just your meaningless "opinion"

2012 #1 seed lost in west conf
2011 #1 seed lost in 1st round
2010 #7 seed lost in 2nd round (swept)
2009 #3 seed lost in 1st round
2008 #3 seed lost in west conf

2007 they beat the Cavs for the title so good for them but as recent history has shown, my point is proven. This is pretty much all with the big three so my argument holds water. Losing in the west conf would put you at 3rd or 4th best. But yes, I suppose me thinking they will be the 3rd or 4th best team in the playoffs this year is my "meaningless" opinion.

 

[jstep13]

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You conveniently forgot 1999, 2003 2005...You expect us to win every year? respect

But your statement "about the spurs are still about 4th best overall" was clearly a dig at them for this season not season's past. And if it wasn't then who cares about their past performance. Do you think the Heat are still hanging their heads over 2 season ago? Do you think the Lakers think they are going to win a title this year because they last won in 2010? So any team that hasn't won a title in the last 5 seasons or so has no chance at winning this year's title? I suggest you Google "gambler's fallacy"...

So I ask AGAIN. What empirical evidence do you have that they are the 4th best team this season? And just out of curosity, who are the three you would rank ahead of the Spurs? Miami, OKC and ? I'll be anxiously waiting

 

[Wake]

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The Heat have NOT been feasting on bad teams. In fact over the last %25 of the schedule the Heat's opponents have been far stronger than the Spurs. Look at the strengh of schedule below.

To further my point the Heat are 18-9 against the East and 20-5 against the "tougher" west having beat OKC x2, the Clippers, Lakers x2, Denver, Houston x2, Golden State and the Spurs* (in the 'rest' game). In fact I would argue that the heat have been lackluster against weaker opponents due to lack of interest... having lost to Washington, Detroit, Milwaukee and teams they dont really perceive as a threat... do you really think the KNicks will beat the heat in a 7 game series?

 

[Wake]

Re: NBA 2012-2013

[Last night] LeBron James posted an average-for-him 26-12-7 in just 34 minutes of burn. He's made 89 of his last 130 shots -- an incredible 68 percent.

This! :

 

[denger4000]

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Kind of a weird request but Can anyone find Video of Charles Barkley stating Duncan is the greatest power forward of all time? I know he's said multiple times but i can't see to find a video of him saying it.

A quick reason for is it because my friend refuses to believe Duncan is the greatest power forward and says guys like Barkley are better and can't believe Barkley even thinks Duncan is the greatest.

 

[DinoDB1975]

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Check video from the All Star Weekend. On Friday, Karl Malone joined Barkley and Shaq on set with EJ on "Inside the NBA" and was busting Barkley (albeit good naturedly) about calling Duncan the greatest PF of all time over him.

 

[jstep13]

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The last 25% of the schedule? What about the ENTIRE SEASON. Stop cherry picking stats...

Everyone knows, EVERYONE knows, the East is weak compared to the West. That's a fact, jack.

The Heat have NOT been feasting on bad teams. In fact over the last %25 of the schedule the Heat's opponents have been far stronger than the Spurs. Look at the strengh of schedule below.



To further my point the Heat are 18-9 against the East and 20-5 against the "tougher" west having beat OKC x2, the Clippers, Lakers x2, Denver, Houston x2, Golden State and the Spurs* (in the 'rest' game). In fact I would argue that the heat have been lackluster against weaker opponents due to lack of interest... having lost to Washington, Detroit, Milwaukee and teams they dont really perceive as a threat... do you really think the KNicks will beat the heat in a 7 game series?

 

[Wake]

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The last 25% of the schedule? What about the ENTIRE SEASON. Stop cherry picking stats...

Everyone knows, EVERYONE knows, the East is weak compared to the West. That's a fact, jack.

The last %25 of the schedule is more reflective of how a team is currently playing... You're only as good as your last performance. In other words what good is a team that's 40-12 if the last 12 were losses?

And I agree that the west is stronger... but that makes my point. The heat have owned the west this year.

 

[sarakawa]

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You conveniently forgot 1999, 2003 2005...You expect us to win every year? respect

But your statement "about the spurs are still about 4th best overall" was clearly a dig at them for this season not season's past. And if it wasn't then who cares about their past performance. Do you think the Heat are still hanging their heads over 2 season ago? Do you think the Lakers think they are going to win a title this year because they last won in 2010? So any team that hasn't won a title in the last 5 seasons or so has no chance at winning this year's title? I suggest you Google "gambler's fallacy"...

So I ask AGAIN. What empirical evidence do you have that they are the 4th best team this season? And just out of curosity, who are the three you would rank ahead of the Spurs? Miami, OKC and ? I'll be anxiously waiting

Jesus, i was merely trying to establish a pattern and from that pattern, deduce that the Spurs are a fantastic regular season team that tends not to get over the hump in the playoffs in RECENT HISTORY. in any case, I believe Miami and OKC are clearly better teams but judging from san antonio's recent playoff exits, I could see these teams being better as well: Clippers, Denver, New York, Chicago(with Rose back), and maybe even Indiana. Of course, again, as is the case with ANYONE predicting playoff results, this is an opinion. I'm still entitled to that right?

 

[denger4000]

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The Greatest laker ever said it best, and I quote

"It looks like the Heat and Spurs are getting ready for a run at the championship!"


Damn right Magic.

 

[jstep13]

Re: NBA 2012-2013

this is an opinion. I'm still entitled to that right?

Of course, even if it's baseless and wrong, by all means have your opinion.

The last %25 of the schedule is more reflective of how a team is currently playing... You're only as good as your last performance. In other words what good is a team that's 40-12 if the last 12 were losses?

And I agree that the west is stronger... but that makes my point. The heat have owned the west this year.

Not the Spurs

 

[denger4000]

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Spurs on national tv two days in a row? what the hell?