Halloween (2017)
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I wouldn't even have faith in Carpenter being able to succesfully helm a FaceTime call these days. The only thing he's been involved in since the mid eighties that wasn't shockingly bad was probably that episode of Masters Of Horror he helmed about the angel.
As for Halloween? The original is the most effective horror film of all time in my opinion, and anything that came after owes it a huge debt of gratitude. I can enjoy some of the sequels for their cheesier elements....'Michael just walked straight through a glass door'....'Loomis was straight up ready to blow a little girl's brains out without even the slightest hesitation'....'Loomis has kidnapped a distressed kid and is dragging her through the old Myers Mansion (that used to be just a normal sized suburban house) and is using her as live bait, screaming "Come get your little girl, Michael!!!!"....'That Tommy Doyle grew up to be a right ****' etc....but there was never a need for any of them, beyond beating the last few dollars out of a dead horse.
If they're going to make it, then (as the kids say) keep it real. Set it in an old folks home, a sixty something Myers is a placid, immobile, mute presence, smelling vaguely of pish and being force fed porridge by p****d off health care workers wielding plastic spoons. He's been there for fifteen years, since they found him stood outside, staring through the window, obviously desperate to come in. He's basically like the Chief from One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest, except he wears a boiler suit and won't clean up (and you better not ask him to raise his hand). The staff there let him wear a mask because, after the amount of times he's been blown up, stabbed, shot, fell down some stairs, fell from a great height, fell down a mine shaft, been beaten about the body and face by a badly debuting Paul Rudd and roundhoused in the face by Busta Rhymes, his real face now basically resembles that of Mickey Rourke. He's harmless, contained and, thanks to early on set Alzheimer's, can't even bloody remember his way home.
Then, word of a new doctor starts doing the rounds. Bearded chap, voice like a stilted impersonation of Sir Alec Guiness straining on the s**tter. Then we see him walking towards Michael. Why, it's Ewan Mcgregor (but, for purposes of the plot, we just have to pretend he's the absolute drop dead spit of Donald Pleasance) and he's desperate to meet this poor, mysterious, old resident no other doctor has ever been able to reach or get a rise out of. As he bends down to introduce himself, we get a blurry close up of the name badge he's wearing, slowly coming into focus as he says "Hello there. My name's Dr Loomis". Then we get an absolutely massive close up of Michael's mad eyes widening as the Halloween theme tune kicks in.
Give the new Loomis the name Donald as a nod to the original like they always do. Say he's "his grandson", repeatedly, to beat home the fact. Have the newly reawakened Michael escape and start stalking him, only stopping to hold his lower back and catch his breath from time to time. Perhaps pop into the shop to buy a bag of 'Fishermans Friends', 'Werthers Originals', or some other hard sweet treat the elderly and toothless like to suck.
Make it so the original Loomis was estranged from his family and considered nothing but an obsessed mad man by them all, except for one person, his doting grandson Donald. Loomis (played in flashback by Jeff Bridges or Danny Mcbride) used to traumatise the kid with overly graphic tales of this devil child he first met after he murdered his sister and how, instead of simply doing his job and just trying to help the mentally disturbed youngster like any normal doctor might, he basically straight up bullied the little bastard and accused him of being a manipulative monster just fooling everybody....but not him.
He told him how he shot him....six times. How he shot his eyes out and blew him up along with himself. Hiw he smacked him over the head with a big plank of wood. How it was vitally important a mental health professional carry a sidearm and be prepared to fire it, with less than lethal accuracy, at all times. At anybody.
Young Donald Loomis lapped this stuff up (even the bits that were clearly bulls**t, like mysterious cult members operating under the banner of 'the black thorn', his grandad swapping six cows for some mystical stones that could freeze a psychotic and seriously annoyed serial killer on the spot, and Jamie Lee Curtis not getting her kit off). When his grandfather finally went to his grave, a deranged, penniless, old drunk with a beard down to his balls, he beckoned young Donald over and repeated that bit from the original Halloween about Michael having "the blackest eyes, the devils eyes" before breathing his last word:"Michael!".
The not very original twist is that Donald Loomis has spent his entire life searching for Michael Myers ever since that moment. Researching case files, following clues, hitting dead ends, asking innocent old tramps taking shelter in train stations if they were the terror of Haddonfield hit upon hard times. Now, at long last, he's tracked the 'nemesis he never met' down and duly tempted him out of retirement...deliberately...for a final reckoning between the last living members of the Loomis and Myers families.
Thing is, by the end, we've realised Donald is just as mentally unstable and dangerous as Michael, and Michael, just because he's old and bloody useless, has earned our sympathy and respect for his brave attempt to relive the glory days of his youth. The two characters themselves come to realise the same and move in together, become a double act, sitting side by side on the settee, eating microwave meals and marking Jennifer Lawrence's arse out of 10. Well, Loomis does that last bit. Michael just nods and gives him the thumbs up, before playfully stabbing thin air with his plastic knife (sometimes a Spork) and then they both start rolling around, laughing hysterically, like it's the funniest thing ever.
The ********g end.
If nothing else, at least this way there's an inbuilt explanation for the heavy breathing and super slow walking pace at all times.
Sidious-66
Super Freak
I can't see Carpenter being attached in any capacity if it was a continuation of RZ Halloween. Although I will say that RZ Halloween films are not the worst sequels in the franchise.
Fingers crossed it goes back to basics.
I think Cameron's comments regarding the bad Terminator films was just his attempt to drum up some demand. Because I'm sure he gets a kickback from their profits. Even though I'm not the biggest Avatar fan on the planet, he still is clearly a very good filmmaker, and I would trust him to make a Terminator movie over anybody else. Carpenter has either lost it, or been coasting for a long time. But still, I would rather see him attempt to go back to that well over anyone else. It is his baby, after all.
Sidious-66
Super Freak
Who knows at this stage of the game, it will all be guess work until something is confirmed.
Whether or not a direct sequel to Resurrection (which if you follow means H20, HII and the original are all canon) or with the other time line (Original, HII, H4. H5, H6, H20 and Resurrection) it will still be apart of the Halloween family in some capacity.
That quote from Carpenter he even acknowledges that this is the 10th sequel. But we as fans can decide which timeline truly suits us, apart from RZ versions and HIII of course.
I agree with the 'hype this up - $$$$$' theory and yes if there was still one man to make a Terminator movie then he would be the guy we would all entrust just like Carpenter with Halloween. I'm just coming from the view that both have been dis-attached from these respective movie franchise for so long I wonder if they would/will 'still have it' when it comes to honouring the original(s). Who knows what state of mind they are in these days and the world/movie goers are a different beast in this day and age.
Still having Carpenter on-board is a far better and hopefully safer gamble than some other Hollywood smuck.
Well I have a hard time imagining anyone truly doing those franchises justice at this point. The originals were great. But they came out a long time ago, when the creators were at the peak of their creative abilities. Anything else now will be watered down and pale in comparison to those. That's why Fury Road was such a shock to the system. It totally defied logic and almost all the evidence that came before it, by rivaling (arguably even besting) the originals made 30 years in the past.
But realistically, the best you can hope for with something like this is an entertaining romp that isn't embarrassing, and doesn't by extension put the originals in a negative light. A good example of that, to me, is the recent Ash vs. Evil Dead Starz series. Great? No. But good, and fun, building in a neat way on the old films. If we can get that with a new Halloween, or Terminator, or Alien film, then bring it on. If not, better to just leave it alone. Those Alien V Predator movies, Genysis, crappy Halloween sequels, etc. would be better off not existing at all.
But realistically, the best you can hope for with something like this is an entertaining romp that isn't embarrassing, and doesn't by extension put the originals in a negative light. A good example of that, to me, is the recent Ash vs. Evil Dead Starz series. Great? No. But good, and fun, building in a neat way on the old films. If we can get that with a new Halloween, or Terminator, or Alien film, then bring it on. If not, better to just leave it alone. Those Alien V Predator movies, Genysis, crappy Halloween sequels, etc. would be better off not existing at all.
Sidious-66
Super Freak
100%
In all honesty I buy the crappy sequels to these wonderful movies, DVDS and Blu Rays. I spend countless hours on the web reading up on them all. Once they remade Halloween (my fav movie) then I was open to viewing everything as if I could watch my believed besty movie being remade then everything else would be easy to watch.
Only remake I have yet to watch/probably will never watch is that Karate Kid with Will Smiths son
Although it may have a friend to join it soon as this Ghostbusters reboot is looking horrendous, but I may give it a try.
In all honesty I buy the crappy sequels to these wonderful movies, DVDS and Blu Rays. I spend countless hours on the web reading up on them all. Once they remade Halloween (my fav movie) then I was open to viewing everything as if I could watch my believed besty movie being remade then everything else would be easy to watch.
Only remake I have yet to watch/probably will never watch is that Karate Kid with Will Smiths son
Although it may have a friend to join it soon as this Ghostbusters reboot is looking horrendous, but I may give it a try.
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Sidious-66
Super Freak
Nostalgia glasses are a hell of a thing, the original karate kid had silly cheesy things in it,
The acting is really hammy sometimes. People forget now that back when the movie came out it was being made fun of back THEN.
People were mocking it and reviews were not great. Karate kid aint no terminator.
I didnt even say will smith's kid was good. He isnt the best. But the sets they picked were really pretty. And jackie chan as the teacher was a lot of fun. Hes really good.
Jackie chan takes the kid to a temple up in a mountain and that part is really nice for example. The kid having to discover the new country is pretty nice too. Im just saying the movie is visually pretty nice to see.
The acting is really hammy sometimes. People forget now that back when the movie came out it was being made fun of back THEN.
People were mocking it and reviews were not great. Karate kid aint no terminator.
I didnt even say will smith's kid was good. He isnt the best. But the sets they picked were really pretty. And jackie chan as the teacher was a lot of fun. Hes really good.
Jackie chan takes the kid to a temple up in a mountain and that part is really nice for example. The kid having to discover the new country is pretty nice too. Im just saying the movie is visually pretty nice to see.
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Super Freak
Shut yo mouth
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Super Freak
classic or not, that remake sucks donkey ballz.
