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I don't expect all of the EU to be dumped. If that were happening, Dinsey/LFL wouldn't form a committee to figure out what is and what isn't canon. Disney seems to be taking these new movies seriously enough that they want to get as many fans to come see them without pissing off a major part of the fanbase. Deleting the entire EU would be a bad business decision on Disney's part considering they bought ALL of Star Wars for billions of dollars. They could keep some stories intact and easily adapt them into animated movies the way DC and Marvel have been doing for the past several years now. That seems like a wonderful idea for fans of the novels who would buy them instantly, those oblivious to the novels but are curious to know what all the love and hate is about, and to Disney who would of course reap the benefit of all the profits from sales. Adapting KotOR, SotE, Thrawn Trilogy, and the X-Wing series would seem like no brainers to me and I really don't expect anything in these new movies to contradict anything in those.
 
I kind of like the idea of one official cannon. It would be nice if they can keep a portion of the EU intact. Pre-Yavin shouldn't be too difficult, but it'll get trickier after ROTJ.
 
I kind of like the idea of one official cannon. It would be nice if they can keep a portion of the EU intact. Pre-Yavin shouldn't be too difficult, but it'll get trickier after ROTJ.
Not at all. with 30 years from ROTJ to EPVII, that's ALOT of time to fill. They could leave EVERYTHING in place up untill the New jedi order stuff, and just shop it off right there. and not have it affect the films.

Leiland Chee is taking GREAT strides to preserve what he can, the "moraband/Korriban" thing being a good example.

What's beeing tossed out is all the G-cannon, T cannon, ETC ********tery. there will only Be " Official Canon" from now on.

Can't wait to see.

I'll be shocked if the thrawn Trilogy gets tossed out.
 
Not at all. with 30 years from ROTJ to EPVII, that's ALOT of time to fill. They could leave EVERYTHING in place up untill the New jedi order stuff, and just shop it off right there. and not have it affect the films.

Leiland Chee is taking GREAT strides to preserve what he can, the "moraband/Korriban" thing being a good example.

What's beeing tossed out is all the G-cannon, T cannon, ETC ********tery. there will only Be " Official Canon" from now on.

Can't wait to see.

I'll be shocked if the thrawn Trilogy gets tossed out.

I've only read the Thrawn Trilogy, so I don't know what all happens, but If they can keep most EU cannon. That's fine.

I agree, I dont' see why Thrawn would need to be tossed out. Wasn't it the first Major EU book to come out? Lucas had a hand in it didn't he?
 
The problem with the Thrawn Trilogy is that it's too close to Episode VII that it's going to have to be recognized in some way, which is why Disney is doing this whole removal of the EU in the first place. Disney doesn't want the baggage of already written stories, so expect that even if key story elements and names are kept that they'll be changed/altered in some way.

Like I said before, popular characters and names will probably stay, but they'll more than likely be changed in some way to better accommodate the movie franchise. So expect Mara Jade to be recreated into a different character that will better represent an actress that will play her. She'll either be changed to look more like an actress (i.e. - no vibrant red hair) OR she'll be entirely rewritten into someone else that will have nothing to do with Luke so she doesn't have to show up in Ep. VII at all and have her initial appearance altered. JJ/Disney might not even want Luke to ever be married, so background story elements for her can be changed, even. Again, excising the EU and changing the EU are gonna come hand in hand. Just cuz the Thrawn Trilogy comes before Ep. VII doesn't mean that it won't get in the way of whatever JJ and Disney will want to write for the new movies, and it'll all be altered accordingly.
 
The problem with the Thrawn Trilogy is that it's too close to Episode VII that it's going to have to be recognized in some way, which is why Disney is doing this whole removal of the EU in the first place. Disney doesn't want the baggage of already written stories, so expect that even if key story elements and names are kept that they'll be changed/altered in some way.

Like I said before, popular characters and names will probably stay, but they'll more than likely be changed in some way to better accommodate the movie franchise. So expect Mara Jade to be recreated into a different character that will better represent an actress that will play her. She'll either be changed to look more like an actress (i.e. - no vibrant red hair) OR she'll be entirely rewritten into someone else that will have nothing to do with Luke so she doesn't have to show up in Ep. VII at all and have her initial appearance altered. JJ/Disney might not even want Luke to ever be married, so background story elements for her can be changed, even. Again, excising the EU and changing the EU are gonna come hand in hand. Just cuz the Thrawn Trilogy comes before Ep. VII doesn't mean that it won't get in the way of whatever JJ and Disney will want to write for the new movies, and it'll all be altered accordingly.

Couple of things wrong with your post.

1) Thrawn triligoy is not CLOSE to the new film. it takes place 9 years after a new hope, which puts it roughly 6 years After Return of the jedi.
Which sets it roughly 24 years before teh new abrams picture.

2) Disney is not " Removing the EU in the first place". that's Ot purist fanboy rumors. were this the case, tehy wouldn't have bothered forming a comittee to do it. They are fixing the canon hierarchy, which is a damn mess.
Currently there are several tiers of canon, with different names, which basicly goes like this

Movie only canon
Movie + Tv show canon
Movie + TV Show + Novels
Movie + TV Show + Novels + Comics
Movie + TV Show + Novels + Comics + Games

If something is contradicted by another tier of the hierarchery, the higher tier is considered " More official"

What disney is doing is saying " This is stupid, and overly complicated. Leiland Chee, you and your team fix this, streamline it, throw out and/or fix things that contradict it, and give us an OFFICIAL HISTORY we can use for the new films. when you're finished there will only be one " Official Canon, and everything NEW that gets made must be approved by you and your team, and is official canon going forward." No, that's not supposition, nor guesswork, that's what's been OFFICIALY STATED that they are doing on a few occasions already.

what we don't know is what, specificly is getting tossed out, what's getting amended, and what's staying intact. I'm willing to wager, however, that the farther back the material is, the CLOSER it is to ROTJ, the less likely it'll see many, if any changes.

Now, that's not to say they might just say " **** it, hit the reset button" after all, only that your information is a little wrong.

Beyond that, Star wars has a huge legacy, and has a much tighter leash than the one that is on Star Trek. You CAN BET that JJ will be reigned in, if what he wants to do is too beyond the scope of what has already happened.

It's also worth noting that it's said that JJ is an old fan of the Star wars Novels ( Rumor) so take that for what you will.



final thought. Disney owns Lucasfilm. They also own marvel. How they have handeled marvel is a pretty good example of how they will handle Lucasfilm, i'd wager.
Kathleen kennedy is the current head of Lucasfilm. so what she says, is what goes. YES, she has to answer to disney, but As they have shown with marvel, disney knowns not to mess with the geese that lay golden eggs. Provide a budget, and an outline, let the company do what it does. Collect a paycheck.
 
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final thought. Disney owns Lucasfilm. They also own marvel. How they have handeled marvel is a pretty good example of how they will handle Lucasfilm, i'd wager.

Dear god let that just be restricted to form and not content. If Episode VII becomes the lighthearted 12-year old food marvel movies were thus far I'm gonna be heavily disappointed.

Disney already owns a 'boys' franchise with Marvel that they can milk. They can make the quirky fun family kids popcorn adventure sci-fi (Guardians), now let JJ return to the grittier version of sci-fi that actually dares to challenge, mirror and critique society in a way that might actually learn kids a thing or two about life. Star Wars should be more than just 'fun', even the PT had deeper stuff about morality and society going on, beneath the childish ramblings droids acting like 8 year olds. I know the OT had a young audience as target audience but sheesh we've had enough cookie cutter spoon feeding done in the PT already in this galaxy.

Seriously, marvel-esque star wars movies is what I dread most since the day disney bought them.
(FTR I I'm not a marvel hater, I'm actually looking forward to all four marvel based movies this year, but the marvel STUDIOS tone is not what I want from Star Wars...)


Sigh, I still want my Wachowski's directed Star Wars film...
 
Dear god let that just be restricted to form and not content. If Episode VII becomes the lighthearted 12-year old food marvel movies were thus far I'm gonna be heavily disappointed.

Disney already owns a 'boys' franchise with Marvel that they can milk. They can make the quirky fun family kids popcorn adventure sci-fi (Guardians), now let JJ return to the grittier version of sci-fi that actually dares to challenge, mirror and critique society in a way that might actually learn kids a thing or two about life. Star Wars should be more than just 'fun', even the PT had deeper stuff about morality and society going on, beneath the childish ramblings droids acting like 8 year olds. I know the OT had a young audience as target audience but sheesh we've had enough cookie cutter spoon feeding done in the PT already in this galaxy.

Seriously, marvel-esque star wars movies is what I dread most since the day disney bought them.
(FTR I I'm not a marvel hater, I'm actually looking forward to all four marvel based movies this year, but the marvel STUDIOS tone is not what I want from Star Wars...)


Sigh, I still want my Wachowski's directed Star Wars film...


The Star Wars films, will be exactly how Lucasfilm wants them to be, not Disney. I think Marvel was brought up not show that the ST will be super lighthearted but to show that Disney itself doesn't mess with Marvel, so we can expect to see similar treatment in my opinion.
 
Couple of things wrong with your post.

1) Thrawn triligoy is not CLOSE to the new film. it takes place 9 years after a new hope, which puts it roughly 6 years After Return of the jedi.
Which sets it roughly 24 years before teh new abrams picture.

2) Disney is not " Removing the EU in the first place". that's Ot purist fanboy rumors. were this the case, tehy wouldn't have bothered forming a comittee to do it. They are fixing the canon hierarchy, which is a damn mess.
Currently there are several tiers of canon, with different names, which basicly goes like this

Movie only canon
Movie + Tv show canon
Movie + TV Show + Novels
Movie + TV Show + Novels + Comics
Movie + TV Show + Novels + Comics + Games

If something is contradicted by another tier of the hierarchery, the higher tier is considered " More official"

What disney is doing is saying " This is stupid, and overly complicated. Leiland Chee, you and your team fix this, streamline it, throw out and/or fix things that contradict it, and give us an OFFICIAL HISTORY we can use for the new films. when you're finished there will only be one " Official Canon, and everything NEW that gets made must be approved by you and your team, and is official canon going forward." No, that's not supposition, nor guesswork, that's what's been OFFICIALY STATED that they are doing on a few occasions already.

what we don't know is what, specificly is getting tossed out, what's getting amended, and what's staying intact. I'm willing to wager, however, that the farther back the material is, the CLOSER it is to ROTJ, the less likely it'll see many, if any changes.

Now, that's not to say they might just say " **** it, hit the reset button" after all, only that your information is a little wrong.

Beyond that, Star wars has a huge legacy, and has a much tighter leash than the one that is on Star Trek. You CAN BET that JJ will be reigned in, if what he wants to do is too beyond the scope of what has already happened.

It's also worth noting that it's said that JJ is an old fan of the Star wars Novels ( Rumor) so take that for what you will.



final thought. Disney owns Lucasfilm. They also own marvel. How they have handeled marvel is a pretty good example of how they will handle Lucasfilm, i'd wager.
Kathleen kennedy is the current head of Lucasfilm. so what she says, is what goes. YES, she has to answer to disney, but As they have shown with marvel, disney knowns not to mess with the geese that lay golden eggs. Provide a budget, and an outline, let the company do what it does. Collect a paycheck.


I agree with pretty much everything you said. I didn't know that the rumor was JJ was a fan of the old novels, which would probably include Heir to the Empire. I said so before, I wouldn't be surprised if we see characters and plot points inspired by the EU.
 
I agree with pretty much everything you said. I didn't know that the rumor was JJ was a fan of the old novels, which would probably include Heir to the Empire. I said so before, I wouldn't be surprised if we see characters and plot points inspired by the EU.

this is more or less what i'm expecting. I'm thinking they're going to spoonfeed us " HERE IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST 30 YEARS" . I think we will see little nods, at best, here and there , and the Lucasfilm sotorygroup will see to it that the new movie dosn't contradict the established canon, whenever they decide what it is. and that will be that. the official positin i'm expecting will be
"want ot know what happened in that 30 year span? Go read THESE BOOKS that we're republishing and putting back out on the market!!!"
If there is one thing disney gets, it's marketing. they'll not leave potential money on the table.
 
Doesn't the Thrawn Trilogy already contradict the movie continuity? I'm not 100% sure but I did re-read bits and pieces of it not long ago and it seemed (at the time) to me that the references to the Clone Wars were not at all in sync with what we now know as canon. But I am no EU expert, for sure.
 
Doesn't the Thrawn Trilogy already contradict the movie continuity? I'm not 100% sure but I did re-read bits and pieces of it not long ago and it seemed (at the time) to me that the references to the Clone Wars were not at all in sync with what we now know as canon. But I am no EU expert, for sure.


Well to a point yes, but it's not the Books fault, it's because it was made in 1991 I think and Lucas came in and did his Vision of the Clone wars. However, the main story of Thrawn cycle is still something that can fit in easily.
 
this is more or less what i'm expecting. I'm thinking they're going to spoonfeed us " HERE IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST 30 YEARS" . I think we will see little nods, at best, here and there , and the Lucasfilm sotorygroup will see to it that the new movie dosn't contradict the established canon, whenever they decide what it is. and that will be that. the official positin i'm expecting will be
"want ot know what happened in that 30 year span? Go read THESE BOOKS that we're republishing and putting back out on the market!!!"
If there is one thing disney gets, it's marketing. they'll not leave potential money on the table.



Good point, sir. I'm not expecting Luke to say something like "Hey, remember that Thrawn guy? He was a real pain in the butt", but they may talk of the past here an there.
 
Doesn't the Thrawn Trilogy already contradict the movie continuity? I'm not 100% sure but I did re-read bits and pieces of it not long ago and it seemed (at the time) to me that the references to the Clone Wars were not at all in sync with what we now know as canon. But I am no EU expert, for sure.
Some of it did. they could eaisly remove those parts if they wanted to. the only real contradiction was that clones " felt weird" in the force in the novel, and in high numbers they could make jedi unable to use the force due to ginvgin them migraines, and making it impossible for them to concentrate.
 
I'll be shocked if the thrawn Trilogy gets tossed out.

It's all going to get tossed out. Now, they may not bend over backwards to specifically say what happened in the entire intervening span.

But there's no way Disney, Kathy Kennedy, JJ, Kasdan and that whole crew is going to hamstring themselves one iota by some (let's face it) obscure books written twenty odd years ago.

They're going to go clean slate and do whatever they think is best.

Which is really as it should be.
 
^I'm expecting this a lot more.

The Star Wars films, will be exactly how Lucasfilm wants them to be, not Disney. I think Marvel was brought up not show that the ST will be super lighthearted but to show that Disney itself doesn't mess with Marvel, so we can expect to see similar treatment in my opinion.

This might be true, and yet I think it isn't. Disney hasn't stayed clear of Marvel because they let Marvel do what they want, they BOUGHT Marvel because they were already doing what Disney wants: get insane profits based on a formula.

I fear that if ANYTHING in the EU is in the way of mass market commercial appeal (which means: make young boys go "haha, thats so awesome"), it's gonna get tossed without a second thought. I genuinely think people make a mistake when they think Marvel is autonomous. They're only so, so long as they make profit. And they do, and Disney needed something for the young male audience. Ergo buying Marvel was a no-brainer. Autonomy isn't synonymous with 'if it aint broken don't fix it'.

And I expect/fear that JJ will be wrestled into the same formulaic profit based attitude where officially disney might not "meddle", but their tacit consent is still necessary in every bit of production and that's only gonna be there if it's based on formulaic upfront estimated mass market appeal. I somewhat wish Star Wars had been bought by Warner Bros, because for some reason that studio allows way more creative edge in their productions, mostly due I think to Nolan's success with Batman.

Under Disney I see almost no way for Star Wars to not become (continue to be?) the childish cookie cutter "as long as it looks good and has hip one-liners" stuff that Marvel Studios has churned out so far. A lot of people like it and that's fine, but Star Wars can be much more than just popcorn entertainment, and all I can see is a big mouse demanding as much money as possible, casting a creatively blinding shadow over that.
 
^I'm expecting this a lot more.



This might be true, and yet I think it isn't. Disney hasn't stayed clear of Marvel because they let Marvel do what they want, they BOUGHT Marvel because they were already doing what Disney wants: get insane profits based on a formula.

I fear that if ANYTHING in the EU is in the way of mass market commercial appeal (which means: make young boys go "haha, thats so awesome"), it's gonna get tossed without a second thought. I genuinely think people make a mistake when they think Marvel is autonomous. They're only so, so long as they make profit. And they do, and Disney needed something for the young male audience. Ergo buying Marvel was a no-brainer. Autonomy isn't synonymous with 'if it aint broken don't fix it'.

And I expect/fear that JJ will be wrestled into the same formulaic profit based attitude where officially disney might not "meddle", but their tacit consent is still necessary in every bit of production and that's only gonna be there if it's based on formulaic upfront estimated mass market appeal. I somewhat wish Star Wars had been bought by Warner Bros, because for some reason that studio allows way more creative edge in their productions, mostly due I think to Nolan's success with Batman.

Under Disney I see almost no way for Star Wars to not become (continue to be?) the childish cookie cutter "as long as it looks good and has hip one-liners" stuff that Marvel Studios has churned out so far. A lot of people like it and that's fine, but Star Wars can be much more than just popcorn entertainment, and all I can see is a big mouse demanding as much money as possible, casting a creatively blinding shadow over that.


Well, I guess time will only tell. If we see a character from the new films saying "You just go served!!!" then I'll give you credit for accurately predicting what was to come.
 
It's all going to get tossed out. Now, they may not bend over backwards to specifically say what happened in the entire intervening span.

But there's no way Disney, Kathy Kennedy, JJ, Kasdan and that whole crew is going to hamstring themselves one iota by some (let's face it) obscure books written twenty odd years ago.

They're going to go clean slate and do whatever they think is best.

Which is really as it should be.


what was i thinking?! Ofcorse, you're right. How could i be so silly. Clearly they're going to toss all that out, and leave all that money on the table! there is no way the'd ant to hamstring themselves to have some sort of continuity from 20 years ago! that would be just as silly as hamstringing themselves to some silly moves made 30 or so years ago!

:slap


once again, IF this was the case, the lucasfilm story group would not even exist. they have 30 years worth of fiction to fill. if you REALLY believe they're going to clean slate EVERYTHING, i've got a bridge to sell you.

that has as much a shot at happening as does wiping the slate COIMPLETELY CLEAN and starting over completely. ERasing all 6 movies, OT and PT alike.

Not.
Gonna.
Happen.

Yes, i get that there are some VERY Vocal people out there who dislike the novels, becuase they never got above a 3rd grade reading level, or they just hate books in general. YES i get that there are some OT purists out there who HATE the marvel comics, and guilt by association, hate all the EU. YES i get some people don't care for the novels for some valid reasons as well.

But what those people don't get is that there are likely just as many people who like the EU as who like the PT, and while there are probobly not as many of those as who like the OT, they still exist, and as the OT purists get older, they're gonna start to ... well.. to put it bluntly, Dissappear.

Which means this: Disney/Lucasfilm is a buisness. they're not going to ONLY CAITER to one aspec of the fandom. NOT if it means missing out on potential buisness. YES, parts of it will get excised. There is no way that won't happen. but parts of it are going to stay too. Some of it are going to become full official canon.

why? Becuase people buy it.

Some more info for those of you who expect the EU to just dissappear.

The Lucasfilm story group are the ones making this decision. so, who are they?

LucasfilmStoryTeam-TORGS.jpg
 
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