monkeybat
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Any way back on track anyone making a Dredd movie custom 1/6 yet ?
Hot Toys 2012 DREDD figure?
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It actually might be so,etching that can be pulled off... But if just wait I'd assume someone will do something even if not hot toys a decent bootlegging company.
eighthsamurai
Super Freak
yeah, you're so right. dredd, despite being a great film with karl urban, should have sold out by hiring someone else just to make more money. thanks for your hollywood perspective
i guess art in cinema can truly die with a whimper now.
I'm not saying I would change anything or put anyone else in the role, he was great in it and the movie was great it appreciate everything about it for what it was. But the issue here and the topic of the tread was not weather Dredd was worthy of a figure or a good movie, it is. It was why did Hot Toys skip this lisence and why is the movie flopping and this is why.
There's a reason why they felt no need to show him once without his helmet... They know he's not a big enough star to carry the franchise, unfortunately the franchise is not big enough to carry itself without a big name. The only other thing that they could have dome was put a big name protagonist in there but it's tricky with females. Heaney was great too but they would have had to put a hot girl of the moment in there like with V for vendetta and Natalie portman. Look how much that bumped that film. Hugo weaving yet another nobody outside the geek world, from of the matrix and yes, yet again Lord of the Rings with his face covered up from a comic no average person knows about.
There's a reason why they felt no need to show him once without his helmet... They know he's not a big enough star to carry the franchise, unfortunately the franchise is not big enough to carry itself without a big name. The only other thing that they could have dome was put a big name protagonist in there but it's tricky with females. Heaney was great too but they would have had to put a hot girl of the moment in there like with V for vendetta and Natalie portman. Look how much that bumped that film. Hugo weaving yet another nobody outside the geek world, from of the matrix and yes, yet again Lord of the Rings with his face covered up from a comic no average person knows about.
eighthsamurai
Super Freak
i see your point. but the reason he didn't take his helmet off was because, unlike the 1st film, they respected the source. dredd never takes his helmet off. in a way it's a symbol of his dedication to the law and hiding his face emphasized his emotionless side. THAT'S the reason why they felt no need to show him once without his helmet. the only reason they felt they had to massacre that core aspect of the character in the stallone movie was because they had a big name and a big ego on board - stallone wanted his face shown.
i definitely can't agree about weaving. the matrix wasn't just a "geek" franchise and neither was lord of the rings. the matrix made him very well known and lord of the rings only enhanced his popularity. i'm curious why anyone would think otherwise.
Point noted about the helmet I figured it was the case and you're right a big name star would have almost precisely demanded that and then the respect for the source material goes out the window. Poor Judge dredd might just be too obscure to be successful of done right which this was . The way to go might have been casting a big name actress as the protagonist.
Not saying weeving is a nobody now. He's sort of earned his spot a decade and a half after the matrix and Lotr which are definitely wide stream movies but the people going to the cons etc and die hards are all geek culture. Who couldn't love weaving though? Super talented. I'd say it's fifty fifty now. Some average moviegoers would know him by name and others would know him as "that guy," " mr. Smith" or the matrix guy. Most recognize him.
Not saying weeving is a nobody now. He's sort of earned his spot a decade and a half after the matrix and Lotr which are definitely wide stream movies but the people going to the cons etc and die hards are all geek culture. Who couldn't love weaving though? Super talented. I'd say it's fifty fifty now. Some average moviegoers would know him by name and others would know him as "that guy," " mr. Smith" or the matrix guy. Most recognize him.
eighthsamurai
Super Freak
i don't know, i think he was already at the height of his popularity when v for vendetta was made. he was probably more famous then than he is now. i take the case for average moviegoers, but you can say that about almost any actor. apart from the likes of brad pitt, johnny depp, tom cruise, if they don't know who hugo weaving is they probably don't have a clue about 90% of the A-listers out there. sometimes you try and tell someone who was in a movie and you almost certainly have to tell them which character he played in another movie rather than the name
not everyone can be nerds like us!
vareika
Super Freak
Just saw this, one of my latest favorites.
Would definetly buy a Dredd and Anderson (damn...she was cute) HT figure set.
Would definetly buy a Dredd and Anderson (damn...she was cute) HT figure set.
EVILFACE
Insufferable S.O.B.
I would agree with Raymond that Urban is not know by anyone beyond us geeks. I just asked my wife who it is, and she saw Dredd with me as well as the ending to Priest the night before. My dad I won't both asking because he for sure would have no clue. I would love to see him as Roland the Gunslinger.
I enjoyed Dredd a lot. It was gritty. I love the original Judge Dredd movie as well. Too bad both will will be considered flops, so we won't see any sequels with this group.
I enjoyed Dredd a lot. It was gritty. I love the original Judge Dredd movie as well. Too bad both will will be considered flops, so we won't see any sequels with this group.
Uncanny Web-Slinger
Super Freak
I thought this film was doing good
As for the helmet / Karl Urban star power thing, i recall the main complaimt about the Stallone one was how Dredd wasn't supposed to show his face, in tune with the comics.
So Urbans star powers isn't a factor at all, i wish other studios would do the same and stop showing Captain America, Spider-Man and others without their masks
Dredd 3D will at least become a cult classic for sure. Yeah it might not make the big bucks, but I think becoming such is more significant in the long run. People really won't be thinking about the Avengers film twenty years from now, but I could definitely see Dredd becoming one of those sought after gems in the next few decades. It's in my top ten films that's for sure. Really awesome.
I would definitely be up for a figure of Dredd and Anderson. Both were excellent in the film.
I would definitely be up for a figure of Dredd and Anderson. Both were excellent in the film.
vareika
Super Freak
I also was under the impression that this had good reviews - doesn't it have like 75 on rotten tomatoes? Thats pretty high.
Yeah it has been quite well received. Should hopefully spread via word of mouth.
I think the costume design is cool. I want the Stallone version, I haven't seen the reboot yet 
vareika
Super Freak
ahh ok, was wondering why people said this was "also" a flop. I thought it was actually very good. Nothing obviously uncessary, had good pace, good action, cool character that captured the spirit of the original design, cute female lead, great soundtrack that matched the action, and also no obvious plot holes (imo at least).
EVILFACE
Insufferable S.O.B.
Flop refers to how much a movie makes at the box office, not reviews. While people say box office doesn't matter, it does if you want to see more made.
Uncanny Web-Slinger
Super Freak
^ doesn't that just mean exceeding the amount it took to make.
The Studio probably has an estimate of a return they consider successful based on the genre, release time and other factors.
XMFC didn't make as much as other superhero films but it made more than they had estimated so they greenlit the sequel
Expendables 2 is reported to have made enough to be called a success.
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With Dredd having such good reviews and word of mouth i can see it getting enough of a profit to be considered a success and garnering a sequel
The Studio probably has an estimate of a return they consider successful based on the genre, release time and other factors.
XMFC didn't make as much as other superhero films but it made more than they had estimated so they greenlit the sequel
Expendables 2 is reported to have made enough to be called a success.
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With Dredd having such good reviews and word of mouth i can see it getting enough of a profit to be considered a success and garnering a sequel
A rule of thumb I've heard, and I really don't know how accurate it is, is that a movie needs to make about three times it's budget to be profitable. Movies also require huge amounts of money to promote, sometimes the budget for advertising can exceed the budget of a movie. But the real profit for a movie is in DVD sales and any licensing it can generate. Avengers is massive because you have a movie that brought in over a billion worldwide in ticket sales, it's going to sell well on DVD's and Blu-Ray, and most importantly, merchandising. Avengers is not going to be forgotten anytime soon, or for that matter, in 20 years. Disney will maintain that property for quite some time.
The screenwriter for Dredd has been quoted as stating that he thought the movie needed to do 50 mil in the US to get a sequel. That's an impossibility at this point. We, the fans of Dredd, love the property, we appreciate this new attempt, but it's just not clicking with the common movie goer. And that is saddening.
The screenwriter for Dredd has been quoted as stating that he thought the movie needed to do 50 mil in the US to get a sequel. That's an impossibility at this point. We, the fans of Dredd, love the property, we appreciate this new attempt, but it's just not clicking with the common movie goer. And that is saddening.
Uncanny Web-Slinger
Super Freak
I think what Monger meant is that in 20 years there'll be other Superhero movies (including a likely reboot of the Avengers) that'll eclipse the Avengers longterm standing. It's a current hot property to be sure, but who knows if that'll hold over time. A cult classic is one that endures, blockbusters often fade into memory.
Why is that? it's just come out, i'm sure it'll do that but the time it leaves the theatres.
I haven't gotten a chance to catch it yet, but i'm planning on it
I'll probably end up like the rest of you and want a figure from it, and you know what that'll mean for the chance of a figure
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Besides the box office and sequel disscusion doesn't pertain to this movie getting figures or not, all that matters is interest and that interest seems to be growing daily
That'd work
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The problem with cult classic status is that we'll always be relegated to being semi-underground. Only those in the know will appreciate it, thus the word "cult" in the term.
Typically a movie does less business in following weeks. If Dredd only did about 7 mil in it's first week the drop off for subsequent weeks will be pretty awful. This is a movie that's playing on 2,400 screens. Theatre owners will want it out of their complexes asap.
I'm not trying to bring any Dredd fans down, like I said, I am a MASSIVE Dredd fan myself owning pristine copies of original 2000AD's with the original gifts that came with the first three issues in the UK and original Bolland Dredd pages. The seeming failure of this movie doesn't dampen my love of the character. But reality is coming down hard on the movie.
40 million to produce.
25 million to advertise. (In the US)
About 10 mil combined box office in the US and the UK so far. It's lookin mighty grim.
I feel bad mostly for the 2000ad editorial staff. Hopes were high for this movie and they were very excited.
Typically a movie does less business in following weeks. If Dredd only did about 7 mil in it's first week the drop off for subsequent weeks will be pretty awful. This is a movie that's playing on 2,400 screens. Theatre owners will want it out of their complexes asap.
I'm not trying to bring any Dredd fans down, like I said, I am a MASSIVE Dredd fan myself owning pristine copies of original 2000AD's with the original gifts that came with the first three issues in the UK and original Bolland Dredd pages. The seeming failure of this movie doesn't dampen my love of the character. But reality is coming down hard on the movie.
40 million to produce.
25 million to advertise. (In the US)
About 10 mil combined box office in the US and the UK so far. It's lookin mighty grim.
I feel bad mostly for the 2000ad editorial staff. Hopes were high for this movie and they were very excited.
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