EdwardNashton1
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I think most people would want a demon body
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Most people want accuracy. Did Scarecrows entire body start morphing around when people were tripping out on fear toxin while looking at him? Nope. Just his mask. I can understand why Nolan only demonized portions of the bat suit in addition to the mask if we can trust BobbyC's word about seeing confidential pictures of the suit which I believe we don't have any reason not to
At least he looks more like Christian Bale than their previous attempts... 
Here are other pics of Demon Bats. I like what HT did with it. Pretty accurate and a little pimped is absolutly allright for me.
Funny that no one has posted this yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRKrQWGFgIw
An awesome bust that is sculpted by Bobby I believe...
https://www.yourprops.com/Demon-Bat...ie-props-Batman-Begins--2005--prop-12263.html
Looks pretty identical to me.
Funny that no one has posted this yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRKrQWGFgIw
An awesome bust that is sculpted by Bobby I believe...
https://www.yourprops.com/Demon-Bat...ie-props-Batman-Begins--2005--prop-12263.html
Looks pretty identical to me.
Most people want accuracy. Did Scarecrows entire body start morphing around when people were tripping out on fear toxin while looking at him? Nope. Just his mask. I can understand why Nolan only demonized portions of the bat suit in addition to the mask if we can trust BobbyC's word about seeing confidential pictures of the suit which I believe we don't have any reason not to
i know he does, he has pictures that arent seen over the internet that shows his chest, but nothing lower than that. These screen caps dont show that much, and the bust is much more accurate than the HT version, but they did sculpt everything that has been showed.
great video btw, i have never seen that clip before of the Demon bats, but you can see his belt is still the same and everything below his chest is the normal suit.
And everything above belt is reworked!
haytil
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That bust suffers the same exact inaccuracies as the HT headsculpt, which I mentioned above.
No, you can't see that. In that video, there are two takes - one from Crane's point of view (the start) with the Demon makeup, and one from normal Batman's point of view (which follows and is more overhead). In the first take, you can't see the belt or most of the body, because of the camera angle, so you can't really judge what's there. That take ends the first time he throws Crane - the second take (with the belt and normal suit and NO demon makeup) starts with the second time he throws Crane.
great vid KG! never scene that before!
(haha see what I did there? yea I know lame
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liked seeing all the other stuff besides just Demon Bats
(haha see what I did there? yea I know lame
)liked seeing all the other stuff besides just Demon Bats
Lejuan
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Sorry, that cross-eyed inducing lighting irritates me every time I see it - try this version
whats so inaccurate about the bust? You have to remember, its casted in resin, so it doesnt have the rubber look of the screen used Demon suit. In the video, it looks to me that his belt is yellow still; yea you cant see anything else, but if there isnt anything else out there that shows damage to his suit below the chest, ppl should stop whining that he should have damage on the figure.
haytil
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Here are my objections to the HT headsculpt (and also the bust). I've marked the picture to highlight them:
The red is my biggest objection. There's this disjoint seam - a giant groove - running down either cheek and into the chin.
In the movie, the Bat-demon had normal facial wrinkles down his cheek (which were exaggerated by his grimacing facial expression), but they were smooth and organic - and they ran down to his mouth (like normal cheek wrinkles), not his chin (like the mask does). This headsculpt turns those wrinkles into grooves that mimic the presence of the mask.
The hallucination was NOT a mask - it was a flesh-and-blood demon. Certain qualities of the mask remained (like a curving groove along the side, below the ears), but not the seam between flesh and mask on the face (which is made even more extreme in the HT headsculpt).
This inaccuracy is also present in the bust.
The green highlights a secondary, related concern. Again, it highlights here the HT headsculpt gives the impression that the Bat-demon is wearing a freaky mask - the way the two grooves under his eyes jut out. This was not present in the screen version, where the face was entirely organic and flesh-and-blood. No mask, no jutting grooves under the eyes, no sign of the original Batman mask.
I can't tell if the bust suffers from this inaccuracy.
You can't see the belt at all. At what time in the movie do you see the Bat-demon belt?
you cant compare these pieces to what is seen on film. On film, they used CGI for that hallucination scene. In the youtube video, the very first part, he is wearing a Demon mask with his Demon suit and that is what the bust and the HT version is sculpted from, not from what you see on film. If you look in the youtube video, and look where the belt would be, you can see a small glimpse of a yellow object, and imo, that is his belt, you can argue whether it looks yellow or not, but theres a tiny glimpse of the belt in the side shot.
i just watched the vid again, and saw the glimpse of yellow right after he throws Crane and turns from the first time when it's the closer part with him in the Demon Mask. maybe it's the belt maybe its not
haytil
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The only CGI in that hallucination part of the film is used for the goop that's coming out of his eyes and mouth, and the weird "bouncing" effect in the background. The rest is all makeup and costuming effects.
And yes, I can compare these pieces to what the final film product is - these pieces (the figure and bust) are reflecting the characters as the viewers see them, in their final form. If they want to be accurate, they should be what is seen in the movie.
I fear you are mistaking my use of the term "mask" for what the actor is wearing, not what the "character" is wearing. My objection is that, in the Batman Begins universe, Scarecrow saw a Bat-demon in his hallucination, not a Bat-demon who was wearing a Bat-mask. The figure should reflect this and should be showing us what Scarecrow (and the viewers) saw. However, the figure and bust do not portray this, they are portraying something that was NOT seen on screen. The figure and bust appear to be portraying a Bat-demon wearing an exaggerated Batman mask - hence the presence of those weird seems jutting out under the eyes and down the cheek, which were NOT present in the film or in the universe of Batman Begins.
i see what you're saying now haytil. from the stlls that some have posted, the demon batman's face looks more smooth and a bit wide whereas the HT one,as you said, looks like a mask and it just too crumbly. HT just needs to not make all those wrinkles so pronounced
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honestly just because the suit they used isn't fully demon doesn't mean that Crane wouldn't see his whole body as a demon, or that the figure should be only the waist up just because of it.
It's movie magic.
It's movie magic.
Like you say, the headsculpt is embellished with extra details. Which is completely characteristic of the artist's other work for HT.
Now for me, the extra embellishments add nothing of value to the headsculpt. In fact they are of detriment to it because it does not accurately reflect what is seen on screen. It is an elaboration of it.
Maybe the developers and/or licensers thought it looked cool or added to the demonic look or worked more cohesively from a design point of view. Or perhaps they thought that because its a limited exclusive anyway, they can just stick a knife in a bit of clay and say 'that'll do'. None of which I would agree.
HT appear to have chosen a more interpretational take with the figure, and that deviation from the screen causes a large division in opinion, doesn't it? Especially when the reason isn't apparent.
I'm always up for movieverse accuracy instead of movie prop accuracy myself. However, without any source material on what the whole Demon Bats body would look like, maybe HT didn't want to risk it, which such a crying shame. Either that or it wold be licensing issues again.
Not me .
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