Mondragon
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Andor I have the most confidence in: as he was by design a broken character when we meet him, for who's only hope at redemption , is a knowing suicide mission for an (otherwise meaningless if it fails) greater cause.
So yeah, how does he get there, is by design a pretty dark (and compelling) untold story
I mean this guy became everything he likely hates -"Spy, Saboteur, Assassin" to where he might be unquestionably following orders, shooting someone in the back, just to keep them from potentially blabbing under torture, all in the name of protecting an ideal, that doesn't even exist yet.
We see the weight of that, of what he knows he's become, in R1, now we just have to see how he got there. I have no problem with Gilroy revisiting the character (losing his Identity Bourne style) he essentially created, and put in that spot.
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I'm more worried about Disney revisiting and "reframing" to some extent Obi-Wan but mostly Vader.
The Disney's frikin story group compunction and need to likely turn Vader into an emotional caricature of himself, and get into overwrought "exploring" and trudging through Vader's life choices, feeling and emotions at this time, with subtlety of a cartoon mallet.
(Disney can't help themselves).
Yeah a new duel between young Obi-Wan and Vader we can all imagine as visually fantastic, yet careful what you wish for.
Chow- "Vader, she told... would add a new dimension that could ultimately reframe the way fans look at their classic duel in the original movie."
Cause that's what that epic set up and duel which everyone already loved needs, is to their understanding of it, be "reframed" by the idiots at Disney,
Who gave us ;
A Han so regressed and compulsively dead beat lame, the useless role they left him was to commit suicide by his own brat.
Turned Leia (once one the most inspiring ) into the worst, least inspiring leader in the universe.
And the once hope-filled Luke into such a piece of crap coward, slave to fear, hiding from his friends, betraying everything he learned and was, to become the ultimate failed Jedi.
All great characters ruined, in the name of telling themselves they are "reframing" and telling something "new" with them.
So yeah, let's "reframe" Vader too.
So yeah, how does he get there, is by design a pretty dark (and compelling) untold story
I mean this guy became everything he likely hates -"Spy, Saboteur, Assassin" to where he might be unquestionably following orders, shooting someone in the back, just to keep them from potentially blabbing under torture, all in the name of protecting an ideal, that doesn't even exist yet.
We see the weight of that, of what he knows he's become, in R1, now we just have to see how he got there. I have no problem with Gilroy revisiting the character (losing his Identity Bourne style) he essentially created, and put in that spot.
-----\
I'm more worried about Disney revisiting and "reframing" to some extent Obi-Wan but mostly Vader.
The Disney's frikin story group compunction and need to likely turn Vader into an emotional caricature of himself, and get into overwrought "exploring" and trudging through Vader's life choices, feeling and emotions at this time, with subtlety of a cartoon mallet.
(Disney can't help themselves).
Yeah a new duel between young Obi-Wan and Vader we can all imagine as visually fantastic, yet careful what you wish for.
Chow- "Vader, she told... would add a new dimension that could ultimately reframe the way fans look at their classic duel in the original movie."
Cause that's what that epic set up and duel which everyone already loved needs, is to their understanding of it, be "reframed" by the idiots at Disney,
Who gave us ;
A Han so regressed and compulsively dead beat lame, the useless role they left him was to commit suicide by his own brat.
Turned Leia (once one the most inspiring ) into the worst, least inspiring leader in the universe.
And the once hope-filled Luke into such a piece of crap coward, slave to fear, hiding from his friends, betraying everything he learned and was, to become the ultimate failed Jedi.
All great characters ruined, in the name of telling themselves they are "reframing" and telling something "new" with them.
So yeah, let's "reframe" Vader too.
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) I'm concerned they'll attempt a softening of one of the best movie villains of all time, at a time the character probably shouldn't be softened. Ultimately, all this Vader talk may come down to the character being onscreen for about 10 min tops, unless there's info out there I've missed. The quotes about this being a Vader/Kenobi "love story" are unsettling. 
