HOT TOYS - DX15 - Batman Returns KEATON BATMAN

[DiFabio]

A tale told by an *****, full of sound and fury . . . signifying nothing.

 

[franpincho]

I blame the Orange Juice.

 

[CollectorGuy]

What's wrong with me? Funny how becuase I happen to look at it clinically and without being emotional and understand from experience that there are some issues that happen that ARE COMPLETLY and TOTALLY out of hot toys control and try to offer an explanation that somehow I'm some kind of puppet or a bad guy or all this other crap. No, I don't always defend hot toys. Go look at the thead about possible new iron man diecast. Explaining a process is not defending it.

As for the oranges comparison. It's obvious that you don't actually understand how this works. It would be more like if I promised you a glass of orange juice after making a deal with the Orange grower, who once I made that deal required me to announce said deal, and then after I used his oranges to make the juice and offered you a sample (like how a proto type is shown) by contract of use of his oranges he had final approval if it got sold, and I sent it to him and he was busy and it got back to me late, and he also said it needed more sugar so I had to make new juice and send it back. By this time the juicer that I use(just like the machinery hot toys uses) was already on to my apple juice for another client, a juice that sold ten times as well, and the Orange juice had to be pushed back till there was another opening with the juicer. After I notify the Orange supplier(in this case that's like DC) that I can't make deadline due to the changes they say I need to push the release back because they don't want the market flooded with Orange juice as other Orange juice makers are making their own cheaper higher volume, and flooding the market drives the overall sales of his oranges down, and since he controls the oranges (the license) and that's his only concern he could care less if I sell my juice now or later. So while this is going on I keep answering your questions everyone you call, with the information I have on hand, but things change. I had originally planned to make your Orange juice(returns batman) and a strawberry-orange juice(catwoman) and a pineapple-Orange juice(penguin). Well after the delays and me telling you I was still planning to make it and your reaction (in this example that means the fan community at large) that I am now a horrible person and I suck at making Orange juice and I'm the devil becuase I didn't get your Orange juice to you when I had planned I stop saying I'm going to make the other flavored and stop giving firm dates. But instead of correcting the issues (everyone says I suck becuase I announced dates so I stop annoucing dates and now I suck becuase I no longer am saying Im planning to make something...which is exactly the argument used with the returns comment here. I announce a date and I miss it everyone complains and says just don't announce till your ready. So when next asked that question I do exactly what they said, I say no firm plans. Then I'm the worst business man becuase I stopped giving firm dates) it's just another reason to complain. Now people are going around telling other juice potential Orange juice buyers I am no longer making Orange juice ever, just Apple juice. Even though I finally got the Orange grower to approve and like my Orange juice, which was used at a Orange juice convention (the returns proto at sdcc) and a slot opened up for production but there's no way I'm telling anyone again. Becuase even if it's approved in the testing, once it gets produced in large enough to sell quantities the Orange grower still gets final sign off to make sure it's still meets his standards. On top of that, the Orange grower also has a new special hybrid Orange he has coming out soon and may or may not want me to push production one way or another. So I stY silent on the issue. I learned before that if I answer honestly what my current plans are, that if something happens, either by my control or out of it, I got from not a guy trying to make high end Orange juice to the devil and a scum bag.


Anyway, that would be closely related to the hot toys scenario then your analogy. But for some reason people just won't believe that there are things completly out of the control of hot toys. It's like they need someone to blame. Becuase they didn't get their toy fast enough. I could understand this if they actually took someone's money then the delays happen. But that's not the case. They announced some plans. Never have done an official Batman Returns Batman announcement (where they do the publicity shots and give the specs and details that are planned).im sure no one hear that kills Howard chan has ever planned to go somewhere or do something or make something and had other things sidetrack those plans.

You can call me a hot toys apologist. Whatever that is. But just try to look at WHAT I said, not who you think I am. And since you said and believe it's all speculation, take the time to consider that maybe I'm right.

All I've done is try to give a different perspective. Yes a lot of what I say is based on speculation. Not all though. But it's also based on having spent years working for and with a lot of the people and companies that continue to get killed on here, and killed based on what you and others have admitted is pure speculation with no experience or understanding of how the process actually works. I may not always know the exact details of how a figure is done, or the exact numbers for a specific figure, but I do know the process. I know the policy and procedures that these companies use. It's no different the. If you are a stone mason. You may not have built a specific wall, but you know hoe it's done. It's like if I you are a cashier at best buy. You may not have personally rang up every sale at every store, but you know how it's done. It's like if you are a worker at McDonalds, you may not of made every sandwich, but you know how the do it. Now imagine your that stone mason and you go on a site dedicated to collecting brick walls. People complain that the brick wall they wanted is still delayed. You explain why that could be the case. But everyone calls you a brick wall apologist becuase your not mad about it taking to long. They say they know it's the other stone masons fault becuase they collect brick walls and know it has to be this guys fault. You try to explain what could be the issues. But everyone still gives you grief, becuase you didn't build that exact stone wall, and your speculating since you didn't do it, and the guy that collects stone walls knows more about how they are made then you do becuase he collects them and you make them, and since we are technically both soeculating by that argument and everyone else on the brick/stone wall forum is also a collector that's be mad and upset with this stone/brick wall manufacture and they know the other collectors and have been on the stone wall forum longer..they all side with the collectors becuase obviously the guy that says he's an actual stone mason must be lieing and be a stone mason apologist. Ya know, becuase he disagrees. And continues to do so even though they all call him mean names. Becuase he just has to be a bad guy, why else would he try.

JESUS GOD!

 

[small_studios]

What's wrong with me? Funny how becuase I happen to look at it clinically and without being emotional and understand from experience that there are some issues that happen that ARE COMPLETLY and TOTALLY out of hot toys control and try to offer an explanation that somehow I'm some kind of puppet or a bad guy or all this other crap. No, I don't always defend hot toys. Go look at the thead about possible new iron man diecast. Explaining a process is not defending it.

As for the oranges comparison. It's obvious that you don't actually understand how this works. It would be more like if I promised you a glass of orange juice after making a deal with the Orange grower, who once I made that deal required me to announce said deal, and then after I used his oranges to make the juice and offered you a sample (like how a proto type is shown) by contract of use of his oranges he had final approval if it got sold, and I sent it to him and he was busy and it got back to me late, and he also said it needed more sugar so I had to make new juice and send it back. By this time the juicer that I use(just like the machinery hot toys uses) was already on to my apple juice for another client, a juice that sold ten times as well, and the Orange juice had to be pushed back till there was another opening with the juicer. After I notify the Orange supplier(in this case that's like DC) that I can't make deadline due to the changes they say I need to push the release back because they don't want the market flooded with Orange juice as other Orange juice makers are making their own cheaper higher volume, and flooding the market drives the overall sales of his oranges down, and since he controls the oranges (the license) and that's his only concern he could care less if I sell my juice now or later. So while this is going on I keep answering your questions everyone you call, with the information I have on hand, but things change. I had originally planned to make your Orange juice(returns batman) and a strawberry-orange juice(catwoman) and a pineapple-Orange juice(penguin). Well after the delays and me telling you I was still planning to make it and your reaction (in this example that means the fan community at large) that I am now a horrible person and I suck at making Orange juice and I'm the devil becuase I didn't get your Orange juice to you when I had planned I stop saying I'm going to make the other flavored and stop giving firm dates. But instead of correcting the issues (everyone says I suck becuase I announced dates so I stop annoucing dates and now I suck becuase I no longer am saying Im planning to make something...which is exactly the argument used with the returns comment here. I announce a date and I miss it everyone complains and says just don't announce till your ready. So when next asked that question I do exactly what they said, I say no firm plans. Then I'm the worst business man becuase I stopped giving firm dates) it's just another reason to complain. Now people are going around telling other juice potential Orange juice buyers I am no longer making Orange juice ever, just Apple juice. Even though I finally got the Orange grower to approve and like my Orange juice, which was used at a Orange juice convention (the returns proto at sdcc) and a slot opened up for production but there's no way I'm telling anyone again. Becuase even if it's approved in the testing, once it gets produced in large enough to sell quantities the Orange grower still gets final sign off to make sure it's still meets his standards. On top of that, the Orange grower also has a new special hybrid Orange he has coming out soon and may or may not want me to push production one way or another. So I stY silent on the issue. I learned before that if I answer honestly what my current plans are, that if something happens, either by my control or out of it, I got from not a guy trying to make high end Orange juice to the devil and a scum bag.


Anyway, that would be closely related to the hot toys scenario then your analogy. But for some reason people just won't believe that there are things completly out of the control of hot toys. It's like they need someone to blame. Becuase they didn't get their toy fast enough. I could understand this if they actually took someone's money then the delays happen. But that's not the case. They announced some plans. Never have done an official Batman Returns Batman announcement (where they do the publicity shots and give the specs and details that are planned).im sure no one hear that kills Howard chan has ever planned to go somewhere or do something or make something and had other things sidetrack those plans.

You can call me a hot toys apologist. Whatever that is. But just try to look at WHAT I said, not who you think I am. And since you said and believe it's all speculation, take the time to consider that maybe I'm right.

All I've done is try to give a different perspective. Yes a lot of what I say is based on speculation. Not all though. But it's also based on having spent years working for and with a lot of the people and companies that continue to get killed on here, and killed based on what you and others have admitted is pure speculation with no experience or understanding of how the process actually works. I may not always know the exact details of how a figure is done, or the exact numbers for a specific figure, but I do know the process. I know the policy and procedures that these companies use. It's no different the. If you are a stone mason. You may not have built a specific wall, but you know hoe it's done. It's like if I you are a cashier at best buy. You may not have personally rang up every sale at every store, but you know how it's done. It's like if you are a worker at McDonalds, you may not of made every sandwich, but you know how the do it. Now imagine your that stone mason and you go on a site dedicated to collecting brick walls. People complain that the brick wall they wanted is still delayed. You explain why that could be the case. But everyone calls you a brick wall apologist becuase your not mad about it taking to long. They say they know it's the other stone masons fault becuase they collect brick walls and know it has to be this guys fault. You try to explain what could be the issues. But everyone still gives you grief, becuase you didn't build that exact stone wall, and your speculating since you didn't do it, and the guy that collects stone walls knows more about how they are made then you do becuase he collects them and you make them, and since we are technically both soeculating by that argument and everyone else on the brick/stone wall forum is also a collector that's be mad and upset with this stone/brick wall manufacture and they know the other collectors and have been on the stone wall forum longer..they all side with the collectors becuase obviously the guy that says he's an actual stone mason must be lieing and be a stone mason apologist. Ya know, becuase he disagrees. And continues to do so even though they all call him mean names. Becuase he just has to be a bad guy, why else would he try.

Did anyone actually read this reply???

 

[AIR]

What's wrong with me? Funny how becuase I happen to look at it clinically and without being emotional and understand from experience that there are some issues that happen that ARE COMPLETLY and TOTALLY out of hot toys control and try to offer an explanation that somehow I'm some kind of puppet or a bad guy or all this other crap. No, I don't always defend hot toys. Go look at the thead about possible new iron man diecast. Explaining a process is not defending it.

As for the oranges comparison. It's obvious that you don't actually understand how this works. It would be more like if I promised you a glass of orange juice after making a deal with the Orange grower, who once I made that deal required me to announce said deal, and then after I used his oranges to make the juice and offered you a sample (like how a proto type is shown) by contract of use of his oranges he had final approval if it got sold, and I sent it to him and he was busy and it got back to me late, and he also said it needed more sugar so I had to make new juice and send it back. By this time the juicer that I use(just like the machinery hot toys uses) was already on to my apple juice for another client, a juice that sold ten times as well, and the Orange juice had to be pushed back till there was another opening with the juicer. After I notify the Orange supplier(in this case that's like DC) that I can't make deadline due to the changes they say I need to push the release back because they don't want the market flooded with Orange juice as other Orange juice makers are making their own cheaper higher volume, and flooding the market drives the overall sales of his oranges down, and since he controls the oranges (the license) and that's his only concern he could care less if I sell my juice now or later. So while this is going on I keep answering your questions everyone you call, with the information I have on hand, but things change. I had originally planned to make your Orange juice(returns batman) and a strawberry-orange juice(catwoman) and a pineapple-Orange juice(penguin). Well after the delays and me telling you I was still planning to make it and your reaction (in this example that means the fan community at large) that I am now a horrible person and I suck at making Orange juice and I'm the devil becuase I didn't get your Orange juice to you when I had planned I stop saying I'm going to make the other flavored and stop giving firm dates. But instead of correcting the issues (everyone says I suck becuase I announced dates so I stop annoucing dates and now I suck becuase I no longer am saying Im planning to make something...which is exactly the argument used with the returns comment here. I announce a date and I miss it everyone complains and says just don't announce till your ready. So when next asked that question I do exactly what they said, I say no firm plans. Then I'm the worst business man becuase I stopped giving firm dates) it's just another reason to complain. Now people are going around telling other juice potential Orange juice buyers I am no longer making Orange juice ever, just Apple juice. Even though I finally got the Orange grower to approve and like my Orange juice, which was used at a Orange juice convention (the returns proto at sdcc) and a slot opened up for production but there's no way I'm telling anyone again. Becuase even if it's approved in the testing, once it gets produced in large enough to sell quantities the Orange grower still gets final sign off to make sure it's still meets his standards. On top of that, the Orange grower also has a new special hybrid Orange he has coming out soon and may or may not want me to push production one way or another. So I stY silent on the issue. I learned before that if I answer honestly what my current plans are, that if something happens, either by my control or out of it, I got from not a guy trying to make high end Orange juice to the devil and a scum bag.


Anyway, that would be closely related to the hot toys scenario then your analogy. But for some reason people just won't believe that there are things completly out of the control of hot toys. It's like they need someone to blame. Becuase they didn't get their toy fast enough. I could understand this if they actually took someone's money then the delays happen. But that's not the case. They announced some plans. Never have done an official Batman Returns Batman announcement (where they do the publicity shots and give the specs and details that are planned).im sure no one hear that kills Howard chan has ever planned to go somewhere or do something or make something and had other things sidetrack those plans.

You can call me a hot toys apologist. Whatever that is. But just try to look at WHAT I said, not who you think I am. And since you said and believe it's all speculation, take the time to consider that maybe I'm right.

All I've done is try to give a different perspective. Yes a lot of what I say is based on speculation. Not all though. But it's also based on having spent years working for and with a lot of the people and companies that continue to get killed on here, and killed based on what you and others have admitted is pure speculation with no experience or understanding of how the process actually works. I may not always know the exact details of how a figure is done, or the exact numbers for a specific figure, but I do know the process. I know the policy and procedures that these companies use. It's no different the. If you are a stone mason. You may not have built a specific wall, but you know hoe it's done. It's like if I you are a cashier at best buy. You may not have personally rang up every sale at every store, but you know how it's done. It's like if you are a worker at McDonalds, you may not of made every sandwich, but you know how the do it. Now imagine your that stone mason and you go on a site dedicated to collecting brick walls. People complain that the brick wall they wanted is still delayed. You explain why that could be the case. But everyone calls you a brick wall apologist becuase your not mad about it taking to long. They say they know it's the other stone masons fault becuase they collect brick walls and know it has to be this guys fault. You try to explain what could be the issues. But everyone still gives you grief, becuase you didn't build that exact stone wall, and your speculating since you didn't do it, and the guy that collects stone walls knows more about how they are made then you do becuase he collects them and you make them, and since we are technically both soeculating by that argument and everyone else on the brick/stone wall forum is also a collector that's be mad and upset with this stone/brick wall manufacture and they know the other collectors and have been on the stone wall forum longer..they all side with the collectors becuase obviously the guy that says he's an actual stone mason must be lieing and be a stone mason apologist. Ya know, becuase he disagrees. And continues to do so even though they all call him mean names. Becuase he just has to be a bad guy, why else would he try.

Can you write my psychology paper for me?

 

[SaigonExpress69]

What's wrong with me? Funny how becuase I happen to look at it clinically and without being emotional and understand from experience that there are some issues that happen that ARE COMPLETLY and TOTALLY out of hot toys control and try to offer an explanation that somehow I'm some kind of puppet or a bad guy or all this other crap. No, I don't always defend hot toys. Go look at the thead about possible new iron man diecast. Explaining a process is not defending it.

As for the oranges comparison. It's obvious that you don't actually understand how this works. It would be more like if I promised you a glass of orange juice after making a deal with the Orange grower, who once I made that deal required me to announce said deal, and then after I used his oranges to make the juice and offered you a sample (like how a proto type is shown) by contract of use of his oranges he had final approval if it got sold, and I sent it to him and he was busy and it got back to me late, and he also said it needed more sugar so I had to make new juice and send it back. By this time the juicer that I use(just like the machinery hot toys uses) was already on to my apple juice for another client, a juice that sold ten times as well, and the Orange juice had to be pushed back till there was another opening with the juicer. After I notify the Orange supplier(in this case that's like DC) that I can't make deadline due to the changes they say I need to push the release back because they don't want the market flooded with Orange juice as other Orange juice makers are making their own cheaper higher volume, and flooding the market drives the overall sales of his oranges down, and since he controls the oranges (the license) and that's his only concern he could care less if I sell my juice now or later. So while this is going on I keep answering your questions everyone you call, with the information I have on hand, but things change. I had originally planned to make your Orange juice(returns batman) and a strawberry-orange juice(catwoman) and a pineapple-Orange juice(penguin). Well after the delays and me telling you I was still planning to make it and your reaction (in this example that means the fan community at large) that I am now a horrible person and I suck at making Orange juice and I'm the devil becuase I didn't get your Orange juice to you when I had planned I stop saying I'm going to make the other flavored and stop giving firm dates. But instead of correcting the issues (everyone says I suck becuase I announced dates so I stop annoucing dates and now I suck becuase I no longer am saying Im planning to make something...which is exactly the argument used with the returns comment here. I announce a date and I miss it everyone complains and says just don't announce till your ready. So when next asked that question I do exactly what they said, I say no firm plans. Then I'm the worst business man becuase I stopped giving firm dates) it's just another reason to complain. Now people are going around telling other juice potential Orange juice buyers I am no longer making Orange juice ever, just Apple juice. Even though I finally got the Orange grower to approve and like my Orange juice, which was used at a Orange juice convention (the returns proto at sdcc) and a slot opened up for production but there's no way I'm telling anyone again. Becuase even if it's approved in the testing, once it gets produced in large enough to sell quantities the Orange grower still gets final sign off to make sure it's still meets his standards. On top of that, the Orange grower also has a new special hybrid Orange he has coming out soon and may or may not want me to push production one way or another. So I stY silent on the issue. I learned before that if I answer honestly what my current plans are, that if something happens, either by my control or out of it, I got from not a guy trying to make high end Orange juice to the devil and a scum bag.


Anyway, that would be closely related to the hot toys scenario then your analogy. But for some reason people just won't believe that there are things completly out of the control of hot toys. It's like they need someone to blame. Becuase they didn't get their toy fast enough. I could understand this if they actually took someone's money then the delays happen. But that's not the case. They announced some plans. Never have done an official Batman Returns Batman announcement (where they do the publicity shots and give the specs and details that are planned).im sure no one hear that kills Howard chan has ever planned to go somewhere or do something or make something and had other things sidetrack those plans.

You can call me a hot toys apologist. Whatever that is. But just try to look at WHAT I said, not who you think I am. And since you said and believe it's all speculation, take the time to consider that maybe I'm right.

All I've done is try to give a different perspective. Yes a lot of what I say is based on speculation. Not all though. But it's also based on having spent years working for and with a lot of the people and companies that continue to get killed on here, and killed based on what you and others have admitted is pure speculation with no experience or understanding of how the process actually works. I may not always know the exact details of how a figure is done, or the exact numbers for a specific figure, but I do know the process. I know the policy and procedures that these companies use. It's no different the. If you are a stone mason. You may not have built a specific wall, but you know hoe it's done. It's like if I you are a cashier at best buy. You may not have personally rang up every sale at every store, but you know how it's done. It's like if you are a worker at McDonalds, you may not of made every sandwich, but you know how the do it. Now imagine your that stone mason and you go on a site dedicated to collecting brick walls. People complain that the brick wall they wanted is still delayed. You explain why that could be the case. But everyone calls you a brick wall apologist becuase your not mad about it taking to long. They say they know it's the other stone masons fault becuase they collect brick walls and know it has to be this guys fault. You try to explain what could be the issues. But everyone still gives you grief, becuase you didn't build that exact stone wall, and your speculating since you didn't do it, and the guy that collects stone walls knows more about how they are made then you do becuase he collects them and you make them, and since we are technically both soeculating by that argument and everyone else on the brick/stone wall forum is also a collector that's be mad and upset with this stone/brick wall manufacture and they know the other collectors and have been on the stone wall forum longer..they all side with the collectors becuase obviously the guy that says he's an actual stone mason must be lieing and be a stone mason apologist. Ya know, becuase he disagrees. And continues to do so even though they all call him mean names. Becuase he just has to be a bad guy, why else would he try.

 

[cmiller99]

After those speeches, Moto either left the building or is currently in the process of writing the longest reply in SSF history, I'm banking on the latter.

 

[pturtle]

What's wrong with me? Funny how becuase I happen to look at it clinically and without being emotional and understand from experience that there are some issues that happen that ARE COMPLETLY and TOTALLY out of hot toys control and try to offer an explanation that somehow I'm some kind of puppet or a bad guy or all this other crap. No, I don't always defend hot toys. Go look at the thead about possible new iron man diecast. Explaining a process is not defending it.

As for the oranges comparison. It's obvious that you don't actually understand how this works. It would be more like if I promised you a glass of orange juice after making a deal with the Orange grower, who once I made that deal required me to announce said deal, and then after I used his oranges to make the juice and offered you a sample (like how a proto type is shown) by contract of use of his oranges he had final approval if it got sold, and I sent it to him and he was busy and it got back to me late, and he also said it needed more sugar so I had to make new juice and send it back. By this time the juicer that I use(just like the machinery hot toys uses) was already on to my apple juice for another client, a juice that sold ten times as well, and the Orange juice had to be pushed back till there was another opening with the juicer. After I notify the Orange supplier(in this case that's like DC) that I can't make deadline due to the changes they say I need to push the release back because they don't want the market flooded with Orange juice as other Orange juice makers are making their own cheaper higher volume, and flooding the market drives the overall sales of his oranges down, and since he controls the oranges (the license) and that's his only concern he could care less if I sell my juice now or later. So while this is going on I keep answering your questions everyone you call, with the information I have on hand, but things change. I had originally planned to make your Orange juice(returns batman) and a strawberry-orange juice(catwoman) and a pineapple-Orange juice(penguin). Well after the delays and me telling you I was still planning to make it and your reaction (in this example that means the fan community at large) that I am now a horrible person and I suck at making Orange juice and I'm the devil becuase I didn't get your Orange juice to you when I had planned I stop saying I'm going to make the other flavored and stop giving firm dates. But instead of correcting the issues (everyone says I suck becuase I announced dates so I stop annoucing dates and now I suck becuase I no longer am saying Im planning to make something...which is exactly the argument used with the returns comment here. I announce a date and I miss it everyone complains and says just don't announce till your ready. So when next asked that question I do exactly what they said, I say no firm plans. Then I'm the worst business man becuase I stopped giving firm dates) it's just another reason to complain. Now people are going around telling other juice potential Orange juice buyers I am no longer making Orange juice ever, just Apple juice. Even though I finally got the Orange grower to approve and like my Orange juice, which was used at a Orange juice convention (the returns proto at sdcc) and a slot opened up for production but there's no way I'm telling anyone again. Becuase even if it's approved in the testing, once it gets produced in large enough to sell quantities the Orange grower still gets final sign off to make sure it's still meets his standards. On top of that, the Orange grower also has a new special hybrid Orange he has coming out soon and may or may not want me to push production one way or another. So I stY silent on the issue. I learned before that if I answer honestly what my current plans are, that if something happens, either by my control or out of it, I got from not a guy trying to make high end Orange juice to the devil and a scum bag.


Anyway, that would be closely related to the hot toys scenario then your analogy. But for some reason people just won't believe that there are things completly out of the control of hot toys. It's like they need someone to blame. Becuase they didn't get their toy fast enough. I could understand this if they actually took someone's money then the delays happen. But that's not the case. They announced some plans. Never have done an official Batman Returns Batman announcement (where they do the publicity shots and give the specs and details that are planned).im sure no one hear that kills Howard chan has ever planned to go somewhere or do something or make something and had other things sidetrack those plans.

You can call me a hot toys apologist. Whatever that is. But just try to look at WHAT I said, not who you think I am. And since you said and believe it's all speculation, take the time to consider that maybe I'm right.

All I've done is try to give a different perspective. Yes a lot of what I say is based on speculation. Not all though. But it's also based on having spent years working for and with a lot of the people and companies that continue to get killed on here, and killed based on what you and others have admitted is pure speculation with no experience or understanding of how the process actually works. I may not always know the exact details of how a figure is done, or the exact numbers for a specific figure, but I do know the process. I know the policy and procedures that these companies use. It's no different the. If you are a stone mason. You may not have built a specific wall, but you know hoe it's done. It's like if I you are a cashier at best buy. You may not have personally rang up every sale at every store, but you know how it's done. It's like if you are a worker at McDonalds, you may not of made every sandwich, but you know how the do it. Now imagine your that stone mason and you go on a site dedicated to collecting brick walls. People complain that the brick wall they wanted is still delayed. You explain why that could be the case. But everyone calls you a brick wall apologist becuase your not mad about it taking to long. They say they know it's the other stone masons fault becuase they collect brick walls and know it has to be this guys fault. You try to explain what could be the issues. But everyone still gives you grief, becuase you didn't build that exact stone wall, and your speculating since you didn't do it, and the guy that collects stone walls knows more about how they are made then you do becuase he collects them and you make them, and since we are technically both soeculating by that argument and everyone else on the brick/stone wall forum is also a collector that's be mad and upset with this stone/brick wall manufacture and they know the other collectors and have been on the stone wall forum longer..they all side with the collectors becuase obviously the guy that says he's an actual stone mason must be lieing and be a stone mason apologist. Ya know, becuase he disagrees. And continues to do so even though they all call him mean names. Becuase he just has to be a bad guy, why else would he try.

Repped!

I actually read your response, you make some great points but man that post being so long is not going to help your case at all

It's a good thing nobody took that bet.

 

[cmiller99]

In all seriousness, that's a good response. I guess the main reason people are complaining about how HT have handled the license is that they may have run into the sorts of problems you mentioned, but their lack of communication is what's personally annoying me.

 

[vito81]

Too long... I'll wait for the film...

 

[Motuxmen]

I made it long on purpose. Those that want to believe in some simplistic "it's Howard's fault" and I don't care why are not going to change their mind even if the head of DC came out and said we made them hold up becuase of this or that. They need a villain. It's hot toys. And it's me apparently.

But it's also funny that my previous posts that those two specifically whine about to man words where no longer then the two they posted and I replied to. But since it was them, it's fine. So I had a little fun with it. Using his silly comparison of orange juice and hot toys, and a human being and a dog. A person whom he has never actually meet mind you. Calling people names and comparing them to dogs becuase you didn't get your toy on time is not only a Richard move, but petty and childish. Batman wouldn't want you to have his effigy. He would be ashamed.

 

[Vortex]

 

[batfan08]

Seriously? That's what you took away from all that? Anyway, you can spice it up with orange juice distributors and orange juice conventions all you like, but, at the end of the day, I'm not buying what you're selling. I don't care how many times you say it, and I don't care how many ways you say it, this whole notion that Hot Toys Have faced so many obstacles through Warner Bros.' licensing program is absolutely ludicrous. As DiFabio mentioned, Howard is more than happy to congratulate himself on big scores like Nicholson and Weller, but, somehow, a twenty year old film that can only be defined as a cult classic (it has a loyal fanbase, but, compared to Burton's other film, it's had a decidedly mixed reaction among the general public) got the drop on him? The point is, as much as I want Batman Returns, it's not some huge, in demand license that everybody wants.

Even when you made your comparison about how "other orange juice manufacturers" were making the same "orange juice," and that somehow meant that Hot Toys couldn't. Well, perhaps you're right. Maybe a 4" multiverse figure from Mattel and a 1/4 Scale figure from NECA are somehow the culprits. The fact of the matter is, though, that, when Hot Toys announced this license, none of those figures existed. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that literally no one had announced anything even remotely connected to Batman Returns outside of Hot Toys.

I'll have you know that I wasn't trying to insult Howard with the dog metaphor. In fact, I'm insulted that you would think that. Actually, I'm insulted that you think dogs are somehow so low that, to compare a human to one, is an insult. I'll have you know, sir, that they are very sensitive and intelligent creatures, and the notion that they are somehow subservient to Homosapiens is an arrogant one. You should be ashamed of yourself, you...you Specist! I'll reassure my hairy companion that not all humans are as intolerant towards his kind as you are, and that he is just as important as anyone else.

That being said, that's neither here nor there, but my silly comparisons are actually literary devices known as metaphors, and they're used when trying to simplify an idea, in order for one to better understand it. At the end of the day, what it all boils down to is a difference of opinion in our perception. You choose to overcomplicated things in order to defend Hot Toys, and I choose to oversimplify things in order to blame them. Neither one of us is changing the other's mind, so, why don't we just agree to disagree, hmmm?

 

[The-Dark-Knight]

I came to read about figures, not a novel. I'll wait for the children's version, I like my books with pictures.

 

[Jokes & Bats]

What's wrong with me? Funny how becuase I happen to look at it clinically and without being emotional and understand from experience that there are some issues that happen that ARE COMPLETLY and TOTALLY out of hot toys control and try to offer an explanation that somehow I'm some kind of puppet or a bad guy or all this other crap. No, I don't always defend hot toys. Go look at the thead about possible new iron man diecast. Explaining a process is not defending it.

As for the oranges comparison. It's obvious that you don't actually understand how this works. It would be more like if I promised you a glass of orange juice after making a deal with the Orange grower, who once I made that deal required me to announce said deal, and then after I used his oranges to make the juice and offered you a sample (like how a proto type is shown) by contract of use of his oranges he had final approval if it got sold, and I sent it to him and he was busy and it got back to me late, and he also said it needed more sugar so I had to make new juice and send it back. By this time the juicer that I use(just like the machinery hot toys uses) was already on to my apple juice for another client, a juice that sold ten times as well, and the Orange juice had to be pushed back till there was another opening with the juicer. After I notify the Orange supplier(in this case that's like DC) that I can't make deadline due to the changes they say I need to push the release back because they don't want the market flooded with Orange juice as other Orange juice makers are making their own cheaper higher volume, and flooding the market drives the overall sales of his oranges down, and since he controls the oranges (the license) and that's his only concern he could care less if I sell my juice now or later. So while this is going on I keep answering your questions everyone you call, with the information I have on hand, but things change. I had originally planned to make your Orange juice(returns batman) and a strawberry-orange juice(catwoman) and a pineapple-Orange juice(penguin). Well after the delays and me telling you I was still planning to make it and your reaction (in this example that means the fan community at large) that I am now a horrible person and I suck at making Orange juice and I'm the devil becuase I didn't get your Orange juice to you when I had planned I stop saying I'm going to make the other flavored and stop giving firm dates. But instead of correcting the issues (everyone says I suck becuase I announced dates so I stop annoucing dates and now I suck becuase I no longer am saying Im planning to make something...which is exactly the argument used with the returns comment here. I announce a date and I miss it everyone complains and says just don't announce till your ready. So when next asked that question I do exactly what they said, I say no firm plans. Then I'm the worst business man becuase I stopped giving firm dates) it's just another reason to complain. Now people are going around telling other juice potential Orange juice buyers I am no longer making Orange juice ever, just Apple juice. Even though I finally got the Orange grower to approve and like my Orange juice, which was used at a Orange juice convention (the returns proto at sdcc) and a slot opened up for production but there's no way I'm telling anyone again. Becuase even if it's approved in the testing, once it gets produced in large enough to sell quantities the Orange grower still gets final sign off to make sure it's still meets his standards. On top of that, the Orange grower also has a new special hybrid Orange he has coming out soon and may or may not want me to push production one way or another. So I stY silent on the issue. I learned before that if I answer honestly what my current plans are, that if something happens, either by my control or out of it, I got from not a guy trying to make high end Orange juice to the devil and a scum bag.


Anyway, that would be closely related to the hot toys scenario then your analogy. But for some reason people just won't believe that there are things completly out of the control of hot toys. It's like they need someone to blame. Becuase they didn't get their toy fast enough. I could understand this if they actually took someone's money then the delays happen. But that's not the case. They announced some plans. Never have done an official Batman Returns Batman announcement (where they do the publicity shots and give the specs and details that are planned).im sure no one hear that kills Howard chan has ever planned to go somewhere or do something or make something and had other things sidetrack those plans.

You can call me a hot toys apologist. Whatever that is. But just try to look at WHAT I said, not who you think I am. And since you said and believe it's all speculation, take the time to consider that maybe I'm right.

All I've done is try to give a different perspective. Yes a lot of what I say is based on speculation. Not all though. But it's also based on having spent years working for and with a lot of the people and companies that continue to get killed on here, and killed based on what you and others have admitted is pure speculation with no experience or understanding of how the process actually works. I may not always know the exact details of how a figure is done, or the exact numbers for a specific figure, but I do know the process. I know the policy and procedures that these companies use. It's no different the. If you are a stone mason. You may not have built a specific wall, but you know hoe it's done. It's like if I you are a cashier at best buy. You may not have personally rang up every sale at every store, but you know how it's done. It's like if you are a worker at McDonalds, you may not of made every sandwich, but you know how the do it. Now imagine your that stone mason and you go on a site dedicated to collecting brick walls. People complain that the brick wall they wanted is still delayed. You explain why that could be the case. But everyone calls you a brick wall apologist becuase your not mad about it taking to long. They say they know it's the other stone masons fault becuase they collect brick walls and know it has to be this guys fault. You try to explain what could be the issues. But everyone still gives you grief, becuase you didn't build that exact stone wall, and your speculating since you didn't do it, and the guy that collects stone walls knows more about how they are made then you do becuase he collects them and you make them, and since we are technically both soeculating by that argument and everyone else on the brick/stone wall forum is also a collector that's be mad and upset with this stone/brick wall manufacture and they know the other collectors and have been on the stone wall forum longer..they all side with the collectors becuase obviously the guy that says he's an actual stone mason must be lieing and be a stone mason apologist. Ya know, becuase he disagrees. And continues to do so even though they all call him mean names. Becuase he just has to be a bad guy, why else would he try.

Didn't read a word.

 

[jespernicolaj]

Haha.

 

[jespernicolaj]

Come on, guys. We all just really want the Batman Returns figure from Hot Toys. Enough with the oranges and novels about why and why not. Can we just get this figure already?

 

[pturtle]

Okay, since you asked I'll put it up for preorder in a few minutes.

 

[jankatana]

Look at what Howard has done to us, destroyed our peaceful happy collector family

 

[highlander1]

This thread needs closing until or if EVER RETURNS BATMAN Shows up......I lost ALL hope in any truth further from HOT TOYS Promise's in any lines besides ironman or johnny Depp.