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I think WW captured the best of the feminist message in a way very consistent to those core convictions. As for "social justice warriors", justice by nature is social, but when society is challenged in places where it is unjust it is often hard for those who enjoy the status quo to take. While those most effected by injustice can on some occasions understandably be angry, bitter, or even a bit vindictive at times, it's far too easy for those with the privilege of not experiencing what they are experiencing to dismiss the whole idea, and shut our ears to the best of their message and concerns and stereotype the whole thing. I think most feminist, even of the social justice variety, think Wonder Woman perfectly captured their message along with the universal humanity of the story. I think it is inaccurate to generalize the feminist movement as primarily praising man hating and baby hating themes along with having some sort of superiority complex as the norm of feminism which would somehow receive the most praise.

I would largely agree with what you said. Yes, there are those who do have the privilege of not having to experience what someone else experiences or what others experience; however, at the same time, that doesn't mean they are ignoring others' plight because often times I feel that many people don't deny or dismiss that a person may have had their own individual experiences that causes them to feel a certain way, and would be more than happy to help them with that fight if there was a single entity that wronged them, but I feel the issue is that unfortunately, that person often times has a difficult time naming or pointing to a single entity, preferring to user a broader brush and use terms such as "systemic", "systematic" or "institutional" when there are just as many examples which demonstrate that is actually not the case. It's like going to a doctor and simply saying "I hurt." When the doctor asks you where exactly, you just keep repeating "I hurt." You can't help someone fight something that's "institutional" if they can't point you in the direction of any institution in particular where this is taking place with strong evidence that it's systemic within that institution. If they can, I think most people would be more than happy to help because they would agree that there is a form of injustice that is taking place.

I thought WW was a great film because it demonstrated that you can still have a strong female character who embodies all the qualities you would want in a strong individual or character, while still having a strong male role who embodies all those same qualities. WW is a heroine because she fights for the innocent and the downtrodden; qualities people generally like to see with their superheroes. There's definitely feminist undertones with the character in the sense that she comes from a place where men are viewed as weak and that she is more powerful than any other man she would come across in the outside world, and views a secretarial position as being a menial role for a woman and a modern form of "slavery". However, at the same time, she'll stop mid sentence and digress from what she's doing so she can coo at a cute little baby and ends up falling in love with a just as heroic man, despite her upbringing and teachings.

I think some of those qualities sort of made her character a bit unappealing to the harder core feminists whose brand of feminism isn't based on true equality of rights (which even then, I'd argue what rights in particular have been lost or are being denied on a systemic level), but wrongly on abortion, man hating and forceful opposition to general cultural standards of beauty. However, within the Hollywood, media and academia ranks, I believe that the latter brand of "feminism" unfortunately tends to be regarded as what feminism is largely based on, which I would agree is not the norm, but many people are made to believe so because those three entities have the loudest voices in society and the shaping of the culture.
 
Flying back from Korea today a lot of people were watching the WW film. Shows it still has interest. Or they were simply watching it because of Gal ??
 
I would largely agree with what you said. Yes, there are those who do have the privilege of not having to experience what someone else experiences or what others experience; however, at the same time, that doesn't mean they are ignoring others' plight because often times I feel that many people don't deny or dismiss that a person may have had their own individual experiences that causes them to feel a certain way, and would be more than happy to help them with that fight if there was a single entity that wronged them, but I feel the issue is that unfortunately, that person often times has a difficult time naming or pointing to a single entity, preferring to user a broader brush and use terms such as "systemic", "systematic" or "institutional" when there are just as many examples which demonstrate that is actually not the case. It's like going to a doctor and simply saying "I hurt". When the doctor asks you where exactly, you just keep repeating "I hurt." You can't help someone fight something that's "institutional" if they can't point you in the direction of any institution in particular where this is taking place with strong evidence that it's systemic within that institution. If they can, I think most people would be more than happy to help because they would agree that there is a form of injustice that is taking place.

I thought WW was a great film because it demonstrated that you can still have a strong female character who embodies all the qualities you would want in a strong individual or character, while still having a strong male role who embodies all those same qualities. WW is a heroine because she fights for the innocent and the downtrodden; qualities people generally like to see with their superheroes. There's definitely feminist undertones with the character in the sense that she comes from a place where men are viewed as weak and that she is more powerful than any other man she would come across in the outside world, and views a secretarial position as being a menial role for a woman and a modern form of "slavery". However, at the same time, she'll stop mid sentence and digress from what she's doing so she can coo at a cute little baby and ends up falling in love with a just as heroic man, despite her upbringing and teachings.

I think some of those qualities sort of made her character a bit unappealing to the harder core feminists whose brand of feminism isn't based on true equality of rights (which even then, I'd argue what rights in particular have been lost or are being denied on a systemic level), but wrongly on abortion, man hating and forceful opposition to general cultural standards of beauty. However, within the Hollywood, media and academia ranks, I believe that the latter brand of "feminism" unfortunately tends to be regarded as what feminism is largely based on, which I would agree is not the norm, but many people are made to believe so because those three entities have the loudest voices in society and the shaping of the culture.

Tell that to James Cameron! :lol

He created what I still believe to be the best action movie ever made in T2 so I can't hate on him but he was totally wrong in his critiques of WW for the reasons you just explained.
 
Tell that to James Cameron! :lol

He created what I still believe to be the best action movie ever made in T2 so I can't hate on him but he was totally wrong in his critiques of WW for the reasons you just explained.

You should read some of the quotes from other articles. Here's an excerpt from the author of a piece at Slate:

"To me, whatever chance Wonder Woman had of being some kind of feminist antidote to the overabundance of superhero movies made by and for bros was blown by its prevailing occupation with the titular heroine's sex appeal."

That author even went on to insinuate that Steve Trevor essentially raped WW because her "capacity for consent is somewhat blurry," being that she's never met a man before.

Another excerpt from a piece by a dude at The Guardian:

"The film feels obliged to give Pine his own equally heroic story arc. Men might be unnecessary for pleasure, but they're still essential for big budget action movies, it seems."

Like Jaymas said and I agreed with, this brand of "feminism" is the minority, but it just shows how out of touch this radical brand of "feminism" actually is. The film nicely demonstrated that strong women don't need to be anti-baby or man haters.
 
Couldn't care less about the Oscars and it's self congratulatory elitist nonsense. They completely ignore entire genres of movie for all the key awards if it doesn't fit their narrow vision of what is worthy.

It's all politics inside the pretentious Oscars. Harvey Weinstein, a prominent member of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, got to squeeze in his film "The Reader" (and his past films) for the Best Picture category. Yet there were lots of buzz that "The Dark Knight" was a strong contender to be included in the list that year.
 
You should read some of the quotes from other articles. Here's an excerpt from the author of a piece at Slate:

"To me, whatever chance Wonder Woman had of being some kind of feminist antidote to the overabundance of superhero movies made by and for bros was blown by its prevailing occupation with the titular heroine's sex appeal."

That author even went on to insinuate that Steve Trevor essentially raped WW because her "capacity for consent is somewhat blurry," being that she's never met a man before.

Another excerpt from a piece by a dude at The Guardian:

"The film feels obliged to give Pine his own equally heroic story arc. Men might be unnecessary for pleasure, but they're still essential for big budget action movies, it seems."

Like Jaymas said and I agreed with, this brand of "feminism" is the minority, but it just shows how out of touch this radical brand of "feminism" actually is. The film nicely demonstrated that strong women don't need to be anti-baby or man haters.

:cuckoo: hard to believe so called journalists can write such drivel.

Antihero said:
It's all politics inside the pretentious Oscars. Harvey Weinstein, a prominent member of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, got to squeeze in his film "The Reader" (and his past films) for the Best Picture category. Yet there were lots of buzz that "The Dark Knight" was a strong contender to be included in the list that year.

Agreed and the reason I never have any interest in the Oscars. Even while rightly denouncing Weinstein there's a lot of hypocrisy while they still support Polanksi and others like him.
 
:cuckoo: hard to believe so called journalists can write such drivel.

Never underestimate the ability of some people to be unreasonable, no matter what. To me, the idea of Wonder Woman not being able to make grown up responsible decisions on her own about who she wants to sleep with, is more sexist than the author’s original proposition. Especially given that the movie makes it clear that Amazons had a past history with men and were educated about who men were. She knew that Steve Trevor was a man the minute she pulled him out of the water. They even made a point of saying when they were in the boat together that the Amazons were well read when it came to matters of sex.
 
Never underestimate the ability of some people to be unreasonable, no matter what. To me, the idea of Wonder Woman not being able to make grown up responsible decisions on her own about who she wants to sleep with, is more sexist than the author’s original proposition. Especially given that the movie makes it clear that Amazons had a past history with men and were educated about who men were. She knew that Steve Trevor was a man the minute she pulled him out of the water. They even made a point of saying when they were in the boat together that the Amazons were well read when it came to matters of sex.

:exactly:
 
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Nice QGF ! To be honest I thought that was one of the nicer tie-ins between BvS and the WW movie. Especially when you watch BvS again now.
 
Nice QGF ! To be honest I thought that was one of the nicer tie-ins between BvS and the WW movie. Especially when you watch BvS again now.
If you’ve seen the doc/com on WW, it was planned by Snyder and he actually was on the set when this scene was shot, and it’s actually fascinating how much dedication went into this scene alone.
 
If you’ve seen the doc/com on WW, it was planned by Snyder and he actually was on the set when this scene was shot, and it’s actually fascinating how much dedication went into this scene alone.

Nice. Was that documentary on the BluRay ? Scratch that, was this it ? Either way an interesting video.

So much passion went into making WW by the look. Shows as well in my opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU2qTrnOEOc
 
If you’ve seen the doc/com on WW, it was planned by Snyder and he actually was on the set when this scene was shot, and it’s actually fascinating how much dedication went into this scene alone.
Yeah Snyder is an extra in the background too in this scene.
 
So I’m seeing custom cloaks on ebay for cheap but great quality and designs. I wonder if I should snag one for my DOJ version or just wait for this HT release
 
Nice. Was that documentary on the BluRay ? Scratch that, was this it ? Either way an interesting video.

So much passion went into making WW by the look. Shows as well in my opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU2qTrnOEOc

No it was this one, except it was at least 5-10 mins on how they shot the photograph. This is only a teaser, but you can see him at the end of the clip. He's basically in the background as a tank crew.

 
So I’m seeing custom cloaks on ebay for cheap but great quality and designs. I wonder if I should snag one for my DOJ version or just wait for this HT release

Are they wired or just standard cloaks? I generally have little faith in HT when it comes to capes, hopefully they are better with cloaks. :lol
 
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