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The scheme is that they want you to buy every Captain America figure there is to get the shield you want.
Hot Toys MMS243 - 1/6th scale Captain America & Steve Rogers
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Another guy that would be hard to recast would be Fury, for the same reason as RDJ--that character is basically just Samuel L. Jackson. Same would go for Loki. I can see them potentially replacing almost everyone else, though, and not having an audience revolt at the prospect of it.
That might make sense if the red shield were part of a normal release.
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Fury is true because of the fact that he was specifically modeled after Samuel L. Jackson when the Ultimate comics were done.
Oh yea? What happened with the DX01? The red lining?
I guess it's a time-frame thing or getting a jump start to make deadlines or, IDK. Unless they are starting production way early I can't understand how a licensed figure producer could not have the best of the best reference material. They should have access to things that we'd never be able to source online ourselves. Like renders and Pantone info straight from Marvel Studios
I know that HT drops the ball here and there in the accuracy dept. but this is the first time that I've seen them rely on a couple counts on reference material that provides inaccurate info
HT has just refused to acknowledge reference material in some instances (like Joker's socks apparently), but the first ever MMS Joker seemed clearly based on the first teaser poster, before we even got any footage of Ledger Joker. And I believe they acknowledged that that was the case. The ones that came with the Bank Robber were based on more reference material, so they were much better, though I believe, from Yulli as was the first one. I read from someone at Diamond Select recently that they had access to the script for this film before the film came out, but HT must not have had it prior to development of the Mandarin.
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Movie props are extremely difficult to handle, imagine the costs for shipping and handling just to have some toy company make renders and scan, it would make sense if Hot Toys sends their guys to do the homework, but given their attention to detail I am sure Marvel sends them tons of pictures and even secret squirrel designs that tie it in all together... Kevin Feige seems to be on board with Hot Toys, hence why all the figures lately, but I am sure they can do more though.
Honestly my favorite shield is the one with the avengers one, shiny red and blue... You would figure they include a die cast shield already, but light weight to the point where it is not as heavy as thor hammer where a pose might have his wrist spin to gravity...
There are a few examples here suggesting that Hot Toys didn't see much more from the film than posters and trailers when developing these prototypes. The shield, the eye shadow on Winter Soldier, and the outfit for civilian Steve.
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Honestly stuff like that I really hope in a perfect little world that they could fix it... somewhat... just imagine. If we make photoshops and post them on asian forums it could change, lol we have done it with other toy lines and you figure it would be early in the product development to change it... even then it might delay them. lol
Oh, of course; pics, renders and other info that could all be emailed is all that HT needs to do their job. It's not like they're making 1:1 prop replicas where the original prop needs to be handled and researched
HT does sometimes make changes after soliciting pre-orders, but I don't think they can take away one of the shields they have shown off at this point, because folks will expect those. Will they release these figures with an additional, traditional shield? Possible.
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but pretty much every poster with cap shows him holding the regular shield while in his stealth suit. It just seems like they went out of their way to NOT give people the standard version.
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Bustajesse beat me to it but that's what I meant. The shield that comes with the Rogers version is never shown on screen and is basically ripped right from the movie poster. Instead of the blue film scraping away to reveal the regular colors, this movie poster BD shield has the actual paint scrapped away revealing the raw vibranium.
When I said "this release" before, what I meant was the line from this licence and not just this piece. They are dropping the ball in a similar way with WS too. Using movie posters as reference HT??? Tisk tisk
Not exactly... the movie poster has the silver layer scraped off revealing the red underneath, been pointed out before:
Isn't the silver the base metal?
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If you look closely, the silver in this zoomed pic has the silver raised. The shadows are under the silver and on the red
I'm disregarding the poster tbh. I'm thinking of when we see the shield initially in the first film - it's silver/chrome right?
Not exactly... the movie poster has the silver layer scraped off revealing the red underneath, been pointed out before:
It does appear like the silver is raised but IDK if that's just illusion. Either way it's a little confusing because that doesn't appear to be the stealth shield with the bluish coating in that poster. Even if you look at the 2 shields that come with the set, the blue rings on the stealth shield are white on the Rogers version and the blues around the star are different. If scraping the coating reveals the iconic colors underneath, how does it discolor from blue to white?
The Rogers version shield looks a hell of a lot like what we see in that poster and after watching the movie twice, I haven't seen it appear on screen that way once
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Its actually a light blue as opposed to the silver :-\
The poster shield, regarding the chrome look, hasn't been seen in the film, but in prior posts we concluded and speculated that the poster shield was intended to be the stealth shield with the light blue/silver peeling away due to how the silver is a top layer over the red.
We know Hot Toys screwed up because they thought it was a heavy BD shield too because their shield has red as the top layer. See promo and convention pics.
The poster shield is promotional first and foremost so it could have easily been the stealth shield recolored silver to make it more appealing. But this is pure speculation.
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Nah they could always just cast the white Nick Fury. XD
That is only one of a few *errors* that are causing people to assume HT made a mistake with that shield.
And this is one of the reasons the error is happening, but it is also happening for another more pragmatic reason. See below
This is the basis of the reason people incorrectly assume HT messed up. And i believe it's wrong.
Indeed.
What i believe is that the poster shield is meant to be the normal shield with the red parts painted silver in the same way the STRIKE shield is the normal shield with the red parts painted a pale blue.
So, when the STRIKE shield gets the top coating(Which is evidently less tough than that *made out of red adamantium* paint the shield is normally painted with, lol), and that top coating chips during heavy use, it reveals the more durable red underneath. Also, that top coating must be easily applied and peeled off after a night mission.
Now, in the scenes where Cap is fighting Batroc on the ship, even the prop has red painted on top. I mistook it for blood on my first couple of viewings. But regardless of how they got the effect on the prop, it's *meant* to represent the stealth coating flaking off with heavy use.
Now, it can be agreed by all that although we never *really* see the "poster shield" in the movie, i do think it's cool they included it.
And of course, how HT are doing it is making the shield from metal, painting the blue on, and painting the red on top of the metal.
Where the misconception of HT making a mistake creeping in is that people forget how HT would have to do it otherwise. The only highly accurate way to do the poster shield(Other than how they are actually doing it), is to take a die cast shield, paint it with the red and blue, mask off the blue, and *the parts of the red that are supposed to be poking through the damaged top coat*, then spray it silver and when that coat is dry, to remove the masking.
That's how i would do it for a totally accurate poster shield. But for HT, the easiest way to get the same look is to add the red on top.
So it's not a mistake as such. Just a time and cost saving measure...
And one more point is to say that anyone who orders GA or the STRIKE suit(Or the two-pack), will most likely have TFA, or Avengers Cap already.
So they will have access to a pristine or BD shield anyway. You can just put that shield with Steve, and give the heavily battle damaged one to TFA. Or Avengers Cap.
And i bet that if HT *hadn't* included the poster shield, half the people would be moaning that we don't get the shield from the poster, lol.
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